JohnnyB 4,289 Posted February 7, 2021 Patience Grasshopper......We await the pendulum! The answer is YES! 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
carl_g 568 Posted February 7, 2021 No way. Never. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
carl_g 568 Posted February 7, 2021 No way. Never. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fihe 5 Posted February 28, 2021 I sure hope so, but all these freedom-loving people fleeing NJ is not helping. We need people here to fight for liberty. I don't plan to leave this state in the foreseeable future so I will do my part. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WilliamParker 15 Posted November 3, 2021 We had the best opportunity after defeating Florio and giving Republicans a veto proof majority. OF course, Republicans screwed gun owners over by sabotaging CCW plans at the time. And promises to repeal the AW law. They are the same if not worse today. Gays got marriage allowed in all 50 states because it was legal in over 26 states. Gun owners seem to have ignored this 14th Amendment argument for CCW that was held 9-sip by the US Supreme Court. Sickening Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NickySantoro 211 Posted November 3, 2021 Sometimes you have to do what you have to do. If you're working in an "unpleasant" area in Rahway and you keep a gun in your tool pail and don't hide that fact, the local denizens keep back. That's just a rumor of course. No one would actually do that, certainly not me. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WilliamParker 15 Posted November 4, 2021 I lived in a black area of Jersey City and carried my .45 often. Once I walked down to the corner liquor store to purchase a 6 pack for my dad right before 10 PM. I had my 1911 in my back. At the door, the store owner let me in and then locked it saying he was closing. When I left some black guy outside begged him to sell him some cigarettes so the store owner let him in and locked the door behind him as he did me. The store owner was murdered, shot dead. In just a matter of seconds it could have been different and life changing. I called police to say I had seen the murderer as I left the store. No one ever showed up to even take a statement. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
H2oVento 64 Posted November 4, 2021 11 hours ago, WilliamParker said: I lived in a black area of Jersey City and carried my .45 often. Once I walked down to the corner liquor store to purchase a 6 pack for my dad right before 10 PM. I had my 1911 in my back. At the door, the store owner let me in and then locked it saying he was closing. When I left some black guy outside begged him to sell him some cigarettes so the store owner let him in and locked the door behind him as he did me. The store owner was murdered, shot dead. In just a matter of seconds it could have been different and life changing. I called police to say I had seen the murderer as I left the store. No one ever showed up to even take a statement. was that ocean ave? I live in JC more than 30 years ago. Cops in JC won't even goto some areas Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WilliamParker 15 Posted November 4, 2021 It was on the corner of Union Street and West Side Avenue. Cops were and still are worthless there. Corrupt as well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
H2oVento 64 Posted November 5, 2021 10 hours ago, WilliamParker said: It was on the corner of Union Street and West Side Avenue. Cops were and still are worthless there. Corrupt as well. Used to be a great bar on west side called Lambert's Pub Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
capt14k 2,051 Posted November 8, 2021 The answer to topic is yes in July after SCOTUS rules on NY case. SCOTUS is what 2016 election was all about. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WilliamParker 15 Posted November 8, 2021 There are 2 very important 14th Amendment issue which I hope have been included. The first is essentially the gay rights SCOTUS decision which said rights enjoyed by individuals in 26 states could not be denied to the other states. This is the heart of the gay marriage decision and one we should be making. The other is that retired cops can legally carry, and have just a rubber stamp process to go through. They are not any more in need of every other NJ resident but get favorable treatment in violation of 14th. I have never heard those arguments made. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YankeeSC 1,204 Posted November 8, 2021 32 minutes ago, WilliamParker said: the gay ... rights enjoyed by individuals in 26 states could not be denied to the other states The difference here is those marriage rights legally didn't exist. The 2A rights in NJ are only "de facto" banned in that the law allows for it, it's just that in practice it's rare for someone to be granted a license. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WilliamParker 15 Posted November 8, 2021 When the gay rights issue was decided, all the legal analysts cited the parallel to 2nd Amend and carry rights. The cop up my street retired and had his carry license right away, basically a rubber stamp, which remains a 14th Amendment violation. 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
capt14k 2,051 Posted November 11, 2021 How about it is a 2nd Amendment violation the right to keep or own and bear or carry shall not be infringed. That is how the decision should be written with a clarification that the militia part was a statement and has nothing to do with the right. From the questions being asked by the 6 GOP appointed Justices we may get something that broad and game changing. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WilliamParker 15 Posted November 12, 2021 19 hours ago, capt14k said: How about it is a 2nd Amendment violation the right to keep or own and bear or carry shall not be infringed. That is how the decision should be written with a clarification that the militia part was a statement and has nothing to do with the right. From the questions being asked by the 6 GOP appointed Justices we may get something that broad and game changing. 19 hours ago, capt14k said: How about it is a 2nd Amendment violation the right to keep or own and bear or carry shall not be infringed. That is how the decision should be written with a clarification that the militia part was a statement and has nothing to do with the right. From the questions being asked by the 6 GOP appointed Justices we may get something that broad and game changing. Nice idea but it will never happen in NJ. First, NJ has no 2nd Amendment in its constitution. None. Republicans have taken gun owner support and screwed them royally at every opportunity. DiFrancesco, Ray Zane and the critical vote for Clinton's AW ban, Gormley - paid off by Florio for his vote for Florio;s AW ban. 8 years of Christie's promises and nothing. To the corrupt and Democratically Socialist controlled NJ government, the Constitution doesn't mean shi t. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
leahcim 673 Posted November 12, 2021 It's not a nice idea, it's the constitution that rules our nation. The bill of rights defines fundamental civil rights to all citizens, which supersedes and invalidates state law. The Court decides the interpretation and state abides by the interpretation. 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YankeeSC 1,204 Posted November 12, 2021 11 hours ago, leahcim said: state abides by the interpretation Good luck with that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
leahcim 673 Posted November 12, 2021 16 minutes ago, YankeeSC said: Good luck with that. I don't disagree with the sentiment. But at least we have legal recourse and semblance of the rule of law... At least in theory if not always in practice. And I do believe and still have a little faith that the right ruling from SCOTUS will change things in NJ-but I'm sure the state will find loopholes. My answer to the original question of this topic is that we can legally carry in NJ, but the state doesn't recognize it (as you say, good luck with that). I believe we're moving in the right direction, and we're still way better off than most other nations, even in NJ. It's not perfect, but it's more perfect. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FDHog 604 Posted November 12, 2021 14 hours ago, WilliamParker said: Nice idea but it will never happen in NJ. First, NJ has no 2nd Amendment in its constitution. None. Republicans have taken gun owner support and screwed them royally at every opportunity. DiFrancesco, Ray Zane and the critical vote for Clinton's AW ban, Gormley - paid off by Florio for his vote for Florio;s AW ban. 8 years of Christie's promises and nothing. To the corrupt and Democratically Socialist controlled NJ government, the Constitution doesn't mean shi t. Your 2nd amendment rights are guaranteed by the US Constitution. Different states put different requirements on your ability to get guns and carry guns. There is no need for a 2nd amendment in a state's constitution. For example, you can get a handgun in NYC, but the amount of paperwork and the hoops you have to jump through make it PITA and deter a lot of people. It's even evident in different towns in NJ. I just got my last 2 P2P's in 10 days. My cousin in Wall has to wait 4-6 weeks. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WilliamParker 15 Posted November 12, 2021 When politicians throw such roadblocks in front of a Constitutional right it denies that right. The court has held that you cannot license a right, the most notable with the Jehova Witness being forced to acquire permits to speak. That was struck down. The courts are the resolve to such criminal intent but when the courts themselves are corrupt - where do you turn? Hellier defined 2nd Amendment as a personal and not government right - yet it changed nothing here in NJ. Nothing - even though it should have nullified every one of our f'd up laws. Yes NYC residents have the same rights as those of Phoenix or Dallas, but in reality - they have none. N Neither do we. The fact is that NJ Constitution has no 2nd Amendment protection, which has been used over and over in various court pleadings to argue that NJ residents have no right to a firearm, period. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fred2 367 Posted November 12, 2021 This is in the NJ constitution ARTICLE I RIGHTS AND PRIVILEGES 1. All persons are by nature free and independent, and have certain natural and unalienable rights, among which are those of enjoying and defending life and liberty, of acquiring, possessing, and protecting property, and of pursuing and obtaining safety and happiness. How do they expect us to defend and protect it, if not with a weapon? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bklynracer 1,259 Posted November 12, 2021 10 minutes ago, Fred2 said: How do they expect us to defend and protect it, if not with a weapon? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FDHog 604 Posted November 12, 2021 All the states can do is make it harder to get guns or make changes to the types of guns we can get. Pinned stocks, 10 round mags, etc. Get everything you want now, cause Bucky Beaver is in for his final term and you know he's gonna come after all the JACK supporters Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJM981 924 Posted November 13, 2021 Bucky and his pos AG are going to get their asses handed to them in court after Scotus defines which test to use for constitutional rights and sends the mag capacity and carry cases back down to the lower courts. Just my humble opinion. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
silverado427 10,555 Posted November 13, 2021 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WilliamParker 15 Posted November 14, 2021 Just remember - Every single gun owner should absolutely vow to NEVER convict another gun owner of any paperwork induced crime. He had a fukll auto UZI - Not Guilty. Belt fed 50 cal, Not Guilty. 40 round AR clip - Not Guilty. All government prosecutions at this point should be viewed as corrupt and unjust - takes just 1 juror to not convict. Just Vote No. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YankeeSC 1,204 Posted November 15, 2021 On 11/13/2021 at 10:39 PM, WilliamParker said: 40 round AR clip magazine IFIFY Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FDHog 604 Posted November 15, 2021 On 11/13/2021 at 10:39 PM, WilliamParker said: Just remember - Every single gun owner should absolutely vow to NEVER convict another gun owner of any paperwork induced crime. He had a fukll auto UZI - Not Guilty. Belt fed 50 cal, Not Guilty. 40 round AR clip - Not Guilty. All government prosecutions at this point should be viewed as corrupt and unjust - takes just 1 juror to not convict. Just Vote No. The prosecutors will probably dismiss any gun owners from those cases. More people need to own guns. If this country keeps going the way it is, more will. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WilliamParker 15 Posted November 15, 2021 It is supposed to be a jury of one;s peers, which attorneys have never enforced. The allow the state to stack the jury. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites