Displaced Texan 11,647 Posted March 28, 2021 55 minutes ago, voyager9 said: I was awarded my Order of the Ditch as a civilian. That and Shellback on the same trip. Shellback, golden shell back, and blue nose for me. All under the water . 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
voyager9 3,417 Posted March 28, 2021 11 minutes ago, Displaced Texan said: golden shell back....All under the water . You forgot to mention “surrounded by seamen”. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Displaced Texan 11,647 Posted March 28, 2021 43 minutes ago, voyager9 said: You forgot to mention “surrounded by seamen”. Being on a submarine, that goes without saying. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mrs. Peel 7,148 Posted March 28, 2021 1 hour ago, Bomber said: Another crisis how convenient. Somebody tell me this wasn't done on purpose, my BS radar says otherwise. The cynic in me says anything is possible... but I lean more towards other less nefarious ideas, like... are ship designers just pushing the envelope too much with these new mega-container ships? Of course, I realize that there hasn't been a full investigation yet as to underlying causes, but apparently strong wind is looking likely as one factor. The bigger the ship, the bigger the stack of containers - hey, to Mother Nature, isn't that just a nice big metal sail inviting her to send in a big wind...? I understand that these bigger ships have commercial advantages, of course. I just think that humans sometimes put a little too much faith in their own ability to design around natural risks. There's hubris involved (not to mention greed). I just find it interesting that this incident happened right after a big uptick in containers being lost at sea over the last several months during bad weather. Many of them were lost from these newer mega-ships that were loaded to the brim - so I'm just beginning to wonder, as these ships get larger, is the risk of related problems growing as well? I'm sure some of you sea-faring types will weigh in. But, certainly, wow!...this incident at the Suez Canal really shows the incredible importance/vulnerability of global transportation infrastructure. Damn, it's hard to imagine a more costly target than one of these canals (or a major port). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
voyager9 3,417 Posted March 28, 2021 55 minutes ago, Mrs. Peel said: but apparently strong wind is looking likely as one factor. Was Biden the captain? 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Displaced Texan 11,647 Posted March 28, 2021 12 minutes ago, voyager9 said: Was Biden the captain? Apparently it was Stevie Wonder Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
voyager9 3,417 Posted March 28, 2021 FYI: AIS track of Evergiven through canal Doesn’t appear to be a simple Sail effect given the wind direction shown in the video. Could have been that initial action cause by wind led to a more significant wobble down stream. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sniper 6,372 Posted March 28, 2021 This is one big ship: 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Displaced Texan 11,647 Posted March 28, 2021 Yeah, it’s massive. Takes a hell of a long time to turn or slow down. It ain’t like driving your mommas Honda Civic. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kevin125 4,772 Posted March 28, 2021 So the rudder broke...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
45Doll 5,842 Posted March 29, 2021 One qualified captain said the normal speed through the Suez is about 8 knots, and the Ever Given was doing 13 to try and get enough steering leverage to counteract the wind effects. So I guess when it veered towards the bank it really buried it's bow into it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krdshrk 3,871 Posted March 29, 2021 2 minutes ago, 45Doll said: One qualified captain said the normal speed through the Suez is about 8 knots, and the Ever Given was doing 13 to try and get enough steering leverage to counteract the wind effects. So I guess when it veered towards the bank it really buried it's bow into it. Yeah about 15mph to 0 - there's gotta be damage to the ship... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sniper 6,372 Posted March 29, 2021 2 hours ago, 45Doll said: So I guess when it veered towards the bank it really buried it's bow into it. It seems that way. Here's a cross section of the canal and shows how the banks taper up. It looks like the bow really dug in, but they were able to move the stern a little today. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kevin125 4,772 Posted March 29, 2021 There must be guidelines for wind effect vs speed for these ships in terms of maneuvering in confined spaces. Assuming nothing was broken, it seems like either someone screwed up steering the ship or they made a bad decision to proceed in weather that exceeded the limits of the ship. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sniper 6,372 Posted March 29, 2021 Seeing reports that they got it refloated and the stern is free. Here's a pic from Twitter showing GPS position. M/V EVER GIVEN has partially refloated in the #SuezCanal, pending official confirmation from Suez Canal Authority. https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1376374194938683394 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kevin125 4,772 Posted March 29, 2021 The Baraka..doesn’t seem to be doing much.... Just sayin... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krdshrk 3,871 Posted March 29, 2021 8 hours ago, Sniper said: Seeing reports that they got it refloated and the stern is free. Here's a pic from Twitter showing GPS position. M/V EVER GIVEN has partially refloated in the #SuezCanal, pending official confirmation from Suez Canal Authority. https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1376374194938683394 The stern is free - they still gotta work on the bow that grounded. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
45Doll 5,842 Posted March 29, 2021 Fox is reporting the ship is free, and not qualifying it. The video I see live seems to show the ship is more parallel to the canal bank than before. USA Today live stream of an Arab station says the ship is free. Although it does appear to be listing slightly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krdshrk 3,871 Posted March 29, 2021 2 minutes ago, 45Doll said: Fox is reporting the ship is free, and not qualifying it. The video I see live seems to show the ship is more parallel to the canal bank than before. USA Today live stream of an Arab station says the ship is free. Watching the live stream - man the ship is listing pretty noticeably. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oldguysrule649 397 Posted March 29, 2021 Wow, there are approx 200 containers visible looking at it from the rear. Assuming approx 20 sets of those from stern to bow == 4000 containers. Imagine the headache if that ship listed more and tipped over in the canal. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyB 4,289 Posted March 29, 2021 It's completely free and heading down the channel. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sniper 6,372 Posted March 29, 2021 1 hour ago, Krdshrk said: Watching the live stream - man the ship is listing pretty noticeably. I was reading a different article, someone speculated that they moved ballast around to help "rock" the ship free. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
45Doll 5,842 Posted March 29, 2021 1 hour ago, oldguysrule649 said: Wow, there are approx 200 containers visible looking at it from the rear. Assuming approx 20 sets of those from stern to bow == 4000 containers. Imagine the headache if that ship listed more and tipped over in the canal. Your guess is way low. This ship carries upward of 20,000! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krdshrk 3,871 Posted March 29, 2021 15 minutes ago, 45Doll said: Your guess is way low. This ship carries upward of 20,000! Currently carrying about 18,000 from what I saw from news reports. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gleninjersey 2,134 Posted March 30, 2021 So no need to start stocking up on TP and Spam again? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GRIZ 3,365 Posted March 30, 2021 3 hours ago, gleninjersey said: So no need to start stocking up on TP and Spam again? If you haven't stocked up on both long ago you're too late. 100 years ago when I has to do such things a seasoned soldier would carry a roll of TP in a plastic bag (usually from a battery for a PRC77) in one of the outer pockets of his ruck. Spam? I probably ate 500 lbs of that. I liked it. Still do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bklynracer 1,259 Posted March 30, 2021 On 3/28/2021 at 6:36 PM, Displaced Texan said: Yeah, it’s massive. Takes a hell of a long time to turn or slow down. It ain’t like driving your mommas Honda Civic. I remember reading that these large container ship and oil tankers to make a u-turn need about a 1 mile radius. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eyeinstine 241 Posted March 30, 2021 9 minutes ago, Bklynracer said: I remember reading that these large container ship and oil tankers to make a u-turn need about a 1 mile radius. being this one is nearly a 1/4 mile long itself, i would speculate this needs a lot more than a mile to make a u-turn under its own power.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
High Exposure 5,634 Posted March 31, 2021 20 minutes ago, eyeinstine said: being this one is nearly a 1/4 mile long itself, i would speculate this needs a lot more than a mile to make a u-turn under its own power.. I think it all depends on what type of drive they have. A ship with a z drive and bow thrusters can turn pretty tight circles. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites