45Doll 5,848 Posted June 20, 2022 So if NJ enacts the bill preventing you from defending yourself in your own house, you'll get to carry outside and do it? "Excuse me Mister Home Invader. Would you mind stepping out onto my veranda?" The irony is ludicrous. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marlintag 223 Posted June 20, 2022 13 minutes ago, 45Doll said: So if NJ enacts the bill preventing you from defending yourself in your own house, you'll get to carry outside and do it? "Excuse me Mister Home Invader. Would you mind stepping out onto my veranda?" The irony is ludicrous. C'mon really? I think you know the answer. 27 minutes ago, JohnnyB said: We may get the ruling tomorrow morning on the 2A case. I don't see the general public caring so much about this case. Roe V. Wade will bring a huge outcry though! True! The media is hyper focused on SCOTUS overturning Roe possibly, very little attention to this groundbreaking case. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bklynracer 1,259 Posted June 21, 2022 14 minutes ago, marlintag said: True! The media is hyper focused on SCOTUS overturning Roe possibly, very little attention to this groundbreaking case. Once announced if in our favor, There will be lots (tons) of attention. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyB 4,289 Posted June 21, 2022 1 hour ago, Bklynracer said: Once announced if in our favor, There will be lots (tons) of attention. Somehow I doubt it! All the attention is on Roe! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1LtCAP 4,259 Posted June 21, 2022 11 hours ago, JohnnyB said: Somehow I doubt it! All the attention is on Roe! i haven't read the whole thing...but there's an article in todays courier post. i didn't get caught at enough traffic lights to read the whole thing yet though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CMJeepster 2,766 Posted June 21, 2022 When the Supreme Court rules on NY gun laws, how will NJ's strict laws be affected? (yahoo.com) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CMJeepster 2,766 Posted June 22, 2022 Major Second Amendment case awaiting Supreme Court decision (yahoo.com) "There's been a big push to get more Second Amendment cases before the courts because many people believe that the lower courts were not being faithful to the Supreme Court's decision in 2010 saying that states, as well as the federal government, were restricted by the Second Amendment," Seth Chandler, a professor at the University of Houston Law Center who teaches constitutional law, told ABC News. "The Supreme Court for the past 10 years or so has just not placed that hot-button issue on its docket. But now, with this New York State Rifle and Pistol v. Bruen case, they've accepted those challenges." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
raz-0 1,256 Posted June 22, 2022 Just now, CMJeepster said: Major Second Amendment case awaiting Supreme Court decision (yahoo.com) It will be the last day, just like every 2a case before it. Every article not reporting the decision is just click bait. 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marlintag 223 Posted June 22, 2022 9 hours ago, raz-0 said: It will be the last day, just like every 2a case before it. Every article not reporting the decision is just click bait. They are leaving the best for last! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyB 4,289 Posted June 23, 2022 We will have our answer tomorrow morning! Keep your fingers crossed! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DirtyDigz 1,793 Posted June 23, 2022 BRUEN DECISION IS OUT!!! https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/21pdf/20-843_7j80.pdf Quote Held: New York’s proper-cause requirement violates the Fourteenth Amendment by preventing law-abiding citizens with ordinary self-de- fense needs from exercising their Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms in public for self-defense. 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
raz-0 1,256 Posted June 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, DirtyDigz said: BRUEN DECISION IS OUT!!! https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/21pdf/20-843_7j80.pdf I am shocked it wasn't the last day. This is officially me eating crow. Now I gotta read it. 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyB 4,289 Posted June 23, 2022 YAY!!!!!!!!! 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DirtyDigz 1,793 Posted June 23, 2022 Uploading the decision PDF here in case SCOTUSblog server gets overwhelmed: Bruen_Decision.pdf 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NJRulz 80 Posted June 23, 2022 6-3! (i thought roberts was going to dissent) The New York "proper cause" requirement violates the Constitution, Thomas explains, because it only allows public-carry licenses when an applicant shows a special need for self-defense. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DirtyDigz 1,793 Posted June 23, 2022 Quote The court rejects the "two-part" approach used by the courts of appeals in Second Amendment cases. "In keeping with Heller," Thomas writes, "we hold that when the Second Amendment's plain text covers an individual's conduct, the Constitution presumptively protects that conduct." 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NJRulz 80 Posted June 23, 2022 The court rejects the "two-part" approach used by the courts of appeals in Second Amendment cases. "In keeping with Heller," Thomas writes, "we hold that when the Second Amendment's plain text covers an individual's conduct, the Constitution presumptively protects that conduct." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DirtyDigz 1,793 Posted June 23, 2022 I wouldn't want to be Phil Murphy's dog today... 7 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyB 4,289 Posted June 23, 2022 The PRNJ can now shove their "Justifiable Need" up their ass! 5 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NJRulz 80 Posted June 23, 2022 The Thomas opinion indicates that it is "settled" that places like polling places and courthouses "were 'sensitive places' where arms carrying could be prohibited consistent with the Second Amendment." And courts can analogize to simliar sensitive places, he adds. On the other hand, Thomas adds, "expanding the category of 'sensitive places' simply to all places of public congregation that are not isolated from law enforcement defines the category of 'sensitive places" far too broadly." 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NJRulz 80 Posted June 23, 2022 guys not sure about you but i feel this opinion is much broader than we expected or in other words - Christmas in June! lol In this case, Thomas explains, nothing in the Second Amendment distinguishes between home and public "with respect to the right to keep and bear arms." it is Thomas' Birthday today as well!! 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DirtyDigz 1,793 Posted June 23, 2022 So does this put a "pause" on the Federal and NJ legislation currently in the hopper? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyB 4,289 Posted June 23, 2022 Happy Birthday Justice Thomas and THANK YOU! 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NJRulz 80 Posted June 23, 2022 Sorry for spamming - taking these quotes off the scotus blog for everyone's quick read" Alito responds to dissent... though Heller concerned the possession of a handgun in the home, the key point that we decided was that “the people,” not just members of the “militia,” have the right to use a firearm to defend themselves. And because many people face a serious risk of lethal violence when they venture outside their homes, the Second Amendment was understood at the time of adoption to apply under those circumstances. In a concurring opinion joined by the chief, Justice Kavanaugh writes that today's ruling "does not prohibit States from imposing licensing requirements for carrying a handgun for self-defense." "In particular," he says, "the Court's decision does not affect the existing licensing regimes--known as 'shall-issue' regimes-- that are employed in 43 states." The states, including New York, that had used proper cause requirements "may continue to require licenses for carrying handguns for self-defense so long as those States employ objective licensing requirements like those used by the 43 shall-issue States." Page 2 of Alito's concurrence. He dismisses Breyer's recounting of mass shootings. "Why, for example, does the dissent think it is relevant to recount the mass shootings that have occurred in recent years? ... The New York law at issue in this case obviously did not stop that [Buffalo] perpetrator." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MartyZ 691 Posted June 23, 2022 So, is everyone submitting their carry permit application today? Can it be done online? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Displaced Texan 11,653 Posted June 23, 2022 Woohoo! A well deserved victory for us! I bet ole Phil is pissed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr.Stu 1,884 Posted June 23, 2022 3 minutes ago, MartyZ said: So, is everyone submitting their carry permit application today? Can it be done online? It is a paper form and you need to submit supporting documentation, such as your shooting qualification. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MartyZ 691 Posted June 23, 2022 Thanks Stu, do you have info on qualifications and who offers the training? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr.Stu 1,884 Posted June 23, 2022 1 minute ago, MartyZ said: Thanks Stu, do you have info on qualifications and who offers the training? I'm working on it. I have a contact that does RPO quals, but he uses a form specific to RPO - I passed BTW. I am working on getting a more generalized form signed by him. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CMJeepster 2,766 Posted June 23, 2022 HELL YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites