gleninjersey 2,134 Posted June 23, 2022 23 minutes ago, Krdshrk said: This is the way. 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
45Doll 5,848 Posted June 23, 2022 Happy Birthday Clarence Thomas! And thank you! It's today! 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fred2 367 Posted June 23, 2022 What exactly does this mean? We therefore reverse the judgment of the Court of Appeals and remand the case for further proceedings consistent with this opinion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
10X 3,278 Posted June 23, 2022 3 minutes ago, Old Glock guy said: Be sure to wear protective gear when you go out today, as liberal heads will be exploding all over the place! Liberal Heads Exploding 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
antimatter 139 Posted June 23, 2022 9 minutes ago, DirtyDigz said: translation = "As NJ's Chief law enforcement officer, I will not be following the law..." I am never amazing by the wealth of ignorance in todays society 1 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grapeshot 301 Posted June 23, 2022 On Thursday, Murphy called the Supreme Court decision tragic. “Based on a deeply flawed constitutional methodology, a right-wing majority on the United States Supreme Court has just said that states can no longer decide for ourselves how best to limit the proliferation of firearms in the public sphere,” he said. “Let there be no mistake – this dangerous decision will make America a less safe country.” And just like that, the Bill of Rights in no longer above his pay grade... 2 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DirtyDigz 1,793 Posted June 23, 2022 10 minutes ago, Fred2 said: What exactly does this mean? We therefore reverse the judgment of the Court of Appeals and remand the case for further proceedings consistent with this opinion. SCOTUS kicks the case back down to the lower court from where it was appealed to SCOTUS and orders them to "redecide it, the right way this time" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1LtCAP 4,259 Posted June 23, 2022 10 minutes ago, antimatter said: translation = "As NJ's Chief law enforcement officer, I will not be following the law..." I am never amazing by the wealth of ignorance in todays society he is also wrong in that statement of "all other requirements still apply" as we should no longer be needing justifiable need. 5 minutes ago, DirtyDigz said: FJB AND FPM 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
onedown5up 0 Posted June 23, 2022 So what should we write as a reason for our application ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DirtyDigz 1,793 Posted June 23, 2022 Alito laying down the smaq on the dissenters: Just now, onedown5up said: So what should we write as a reason for our application ? "Not Applicable" 1 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Newtonian 453 Posted June 23, 2022 Maybe the only good news I've heard in almost three years. However, I recall a conversation I had with my NRA instructor when I first got involved in this. "We will NEVER, EVER, EVER get CC in this state." "But what about flipping the legisl..." "NEVER HAPPEN" "But what about a federal court ru..." "WE WILL NEVER HAVE CONCEALED CARRY in NEW JERSEY, PERIOD!" "Well let's say the Supreme Cou..." "##$*(&#$ (first Amendment Lounge utterances) the $#*(*&$# and your $*(*&#$#$ ..." Yes the Supreme Court has ruled, but we now live in a post-truth, post-reality, post-justice world. The USA no longer exists as we believed it did three years ago. I would not be surprised if NY and NJ simply ignored this ruling, either by continuing to bust our 'nads over issues like bathrooom trips and coffee stops, or by passing such draconian licensing requirements as to make the SCOTUS decision moot. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1LtCAP 4,259 Posted June 23, 2022 1 minute ago, onedown5up said: So what should we write as a reason for our application ? i'm either going to use the "i run a business" reason, or the "all legal reasons" reason Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krdshrk 3,872 Posted June 23, 2022 https://www.scotusblog.com/2022/06/in-6-3-ruling-court-strikes-down-new-yorks-concealed-carry-law/ Quote The 6-3 ruling, written by Justice Clarence Thomas, is the court’s first significant decision on gun rights in over a decade. In a far-reaching ruling, the court made clear that the Second Amendment’s guarantee of the right “to keep and bear arms” protects a broad right to carry a handgun outside the home for self-defense. Going forward, Thomas explained, courts should uphold gun restrictions only if there is a tradition of such regulation in U.S. history .... Although U.S. history has at times placed some “well-defined restrictions” on the right to carry firearms in public, Thomas explained, there was no tradition of a broad prohibition on carrying commonly used guns in public for self-defense. And with rare exceptions, Thomas added, there was no historical requirement that law-abiding citizens show the kind of special need for self-defense required by the New York law to carry a gun in public. Indeed, Thomas concluded, there is “no other constitutional right that an individual may exercise only after demonstrating to government officers some special need.” In concurring opinions, both Justice Samuel Alito and Justice Brett Kavanaugh sought to portray the scope of Thursday’s decision as limited. The court’s ruling, Alito stressed, “decides nothing about who may lawfully possess a firearm or the requirements that must be met to buy a gun. Nor does it decide anything about the kind of weapons that people may possess.” In an opinion joined by Chief Justice John Roberts, Kavanaugh contended that Thursday’s ruling will not bar states from imposing any licensing requirements. There are 43 states, he noted, that use licensing schemes that include requirements such as background checks, firearms training, a check of mental health records, and fingerprinting. Such schemes are objective, Kavanaugh explained, rather than granting “open-ended discretion to licensing officials” and requiring “a showing of some special need apart from self-defense.” Justice Stephen Breyer dissented, in an opinion joined by Justices Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan. Arguing that the question before the court was “the extent to which the Second Amendment restricts different States (and the Federal Government) from working out solutions to” gun violence “through democratic processes,” Breyer faulted his colleagues for striking down the New York law without a record that would allow it to determine how the New York scheme actually works in practice, “without considering the State’s compelling interest in preventing gun violence and protecting the safety of its citizens, and without considering the potentially deadly consequences of its decision.” Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Newtonian 453 Posted June 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, Newtonian said: Maybe the only good news I've heard in almost three years. However, I recall a conversation I had with my NRA instructor when I first got involved in this. "We will NEVER, EVER, EVER get CC in this state." "But what about flipping the legisl..." "NEVER HAPPEN" "But what about a federal court ru..." "WE WILL NEVER HAVE CONCEALED CARRY in NEW JERSEY, PERIOD!" "Well let's say the Supreme Cou..." "##$*(&#$ (first Amendment Lounge utterances) the $#*(*&$# and your $*(*&#$#$ ..." Yes the Supreme Court has ruled, but we now live in a post-truth, post-reality, post-justice world. The USA no longer exists as we believed it did three years ago. I would not be surprised if NY and NJ simply ignored this ruling, either by continuing to bust our 'nads over issues like bathrooom trips and coffee stops, or by passing such draconian licensing requirements as to make the SCOTUS decision moot. See what I mean? https://www.frontpagemag.com/point/2022/06/i-wanted-kill-them-jury-finds-times-square-car-daniel-greenfield/ We have no legal system or justice system, only insanity. Anything can happen here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
45Doll 5,848 Posted June 23, 2022 3 minutes ago, onedown5up said: So what should we write as a reason for our application ? "I'm a U.S. citizen." 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MartyZ 691 Posted June 23, 2022 why can't we just say "Self Defense"? Is that not the exact phrase used in the SCOTUS decision? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dilbert1967 145 Posted June 23, 2022 5 hours ago, CMJeepster said: Oh, and then the media reacts: "The decision in the case of New York State Rifle & Pistol Association v Bruen is the latest in a string of supreme court rulings in which the conservative majority has undermined gun safety laws." US supreme court overturns New York handgun law in bitter blow to gun-control push (msn.com) In 1987 or so when Florida passed concealed carry, I remember liberals and their media minions were screaming "there will blood in the streets". Newspaper headlines were saying the same thing. As to why we haven't had a mass shooting yet in NJ, I'm thinking it boils down to luck. Because law-abiding don't commit mass shootings. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MartyZ 691 Posted June 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, dilbert1967 said: As to why we haven't had a mass shooting yet in NJ, I'm thinking it boils down to luck. Because law-abiding don't commit mass shootings. Most likely because most of the psychos capable of such atrocities are in Trenton. 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zabuca 158 Posted June 23, 2022 Today gives me hope there’s a reason I haven’t sold my p365 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1LtCAP 4,259 Posted June 23, 2022 12 minutes ago, dilbert1967 said: In 1987 or so when Florida passed concealed carry, I remember liberals and their media minions were screaming "there will blood in the streets". Newspaper headlines were saying the same thing. As to why we haven't had a mass shooting yet in NJ, I'm thinking it boils down to luck. Because law-abiding don't commit mass shootings. technically we almost did. didn't the buffalo killer mention lakewood? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1LtCAP 4,259 Posted June 23, 2022 Just now, Zabuca said: Today gives me hope there’s a reason I haven’t sold my p365 i'll probably carry my beretta. i carry my sr9c at work, but i can't get a full comfortable grip on it when drawing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Newtonian 453 Posted June 23, 2022 I recall that upstate NY State applicants have had good success with "For all legal purposes" without mentioning anything specific. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
raz-0 1,256 Posted June 23, 2022 42 minutes ago, Fred2 said: What exactly does this mean? We therefore reverse the judgment of the Court of Appeals and remand the case for further proceedings consistent with this opinion. This is telling the lower court they are wrong and to redo it. I believe this is there because the correct ruling should be to issue the permit, which the lower court needs to do rather than scotus. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
raz-0 1,256 Posted June 23, 2022 37 minutes ago, onedown5up said: So what should we write as a reason for our application ? "Because fuck you that's why" 1 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gleninjersey 2,134 Posted June 23, 2022 List of ranges to for qualifying score that you'll need to provide when applying for NJ Conceal Carry License. https://nj.gov/njsp/firearms/shooting-ranges.shtml I guess it's time to start looking at the 'Conceal Carry" section on the forum. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
djg0770 481 Posted June 23, 2022 44 minutes ago, onedown5up said: So what should we write as a reason for our application ? All legal purposes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bomber 1,089 Posted June 23, 2022 40 minutes ago, dilbert1967 said: As to why we haven't had a mass shooting yet in NJ, I'm thinking it boils down to luck. It wouldn't look too good for the Left if a state with it's own form of AWB ban and numerous other restrictions had a mass shooting. The "we need more gun control laws" argument is getting old, people don't believe it anymore, (not that it stops them from hacking away at our liberties anyway). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CMJeepster 2,766 Posted June 23, 2022 draft sp-642.ofm (nj.gov) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites