MartyZ 692 Posted June 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, CMJeepster said: draft sp-642.ofm (nj.gov) What is this crap? "Each person applying for a Permit to Carry a Handgun must supply a letter of need, specific in content, as to why they have a need to carry a firearm in the State of New Jersey" Do we just put "All Legal Purposes" onto a blank sheet of paper? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bomber 1,091 Posted June 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Mrs. Peel said: I think some due credit needs to go to former President Trump as well. His many conservative appointments to SCOTUS and other Federal courts, as it turns out, are really providing a bulwark against the encroaching attacks on Constitutional rights that we've been seeing as of late. Yep. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
10X 3,296 Posted June 23, 2022 55 minutes ago, Grapeshot said: On Thursday, Murphy called the Supreme Court decision tragic. Hey, Phildo! 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1LtCAP 4,262 Posted June 23, 2022 17 minutes ago, gleninjersey said: List of ranges to for qualifying score that you'll need to provide when applying for NJ Conceal Carry License. https://nj.gov/njsp/firearms/shooting-ranges.shtml I guess it's time to start looking at the 'Conceal Carry" section on the forum. soo...these ranges are accessible to non-leo? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xXxplosive 823 Posted June 23, 2022 So if this is the decision, what's the difference between this and what the 2nd and 14th guarantee and Consitutonal Carrry......this grants law abiding citizens in all 50 states to CC outside the home and in public, also negates the "need"........so apps., permits and qual tests are out the window...........omo. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NJRulz 82 Posted June 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, MartyZ said: What is this crap? "Each person applying for a Permit to Carry a Handgun must supply a letter of need, specific in content, as to why they have a need to carry a firearm in the State of New Jersey" Do we just put "All Legal Purposes" onto a blank sheet of paper? I would put down: For all lawful purposes as per decision - New York State Rifle & Pistol Association Inc. v. Bruen, Docket 20-843 1 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1LtCAP 4,262 Posted June 23, 2022 8 minutes ago, CMJeepster said: draft sp-642.ofm (nj.gov) thanks. so three endorsements. leads me to a question. one person i may use, i've known since 1979. he had a felony charge for beating the snot outta a couple police officers that bumrushed his house in 1977. nothing since then. bad idea to use him? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
father-of-three 242 Posted June 23, 2022 1 hour ago, raz-0 said: What I can't tell is if we got strict scrutiny or some new tier of scrutiny they re trying to make happen. It very clearly states strict scrutiny is a no-no. I take it that the state, or at least the attorney general, will need to be sued to address the strict scrutiny that will likely happen, correct? That will probably take more time, but today is still a huge win. It's nice to hear good news! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bomber 1,091 Posted June 23, 2022 7 minutes ago, 10X said: Hey, Phildo! I think Murphy may get the last laugh with the gun bills they are ramming through in Trenton as we speak.. One step forward two steps back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1LtCAP 4,262 Posted June 23, 2022 3 minutes ago, NJRulz said: I would put down: For all lawful purposes as per decision - New York State Rifle & Pistol Association Inc. v. Bruen, Docket 20-843 thanks! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xXxplosive 823 Posted June 23, 2022 again, if their decision stands, IMO, it negates apps., permits and qual. tests. under the 2nd AND 14TH. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Displaced Texan 11,731 Posted June 23, 2022 1 hour ago, onedown5up said: So what should we write as a reason for our application ? Because the Constitution, and fuck you. That’s why. 1 1 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
raz-0 1,259 Posted June 23, 2022 Just now, father-of-three said: I take it that the state, or at least the attorney general, will need to be sued to address the strict scrutiny that will likely happen, correct? That will probably take more time, but today is still a huge win. It's nice to hear good news! Well it shuts down intermediate scrutiny hard. It says there is no balancing test of states interests. It either conforms to the 2nd amendment or not, and the argument is about what the second amendment covers. It will certainly take more time, but the question is how much. There are a bunch of other held cases they will likely remand, but I don't have them committed to memory and am still reading the ruling. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DirtyDigz 1,811 Posted June 23, 2022 NJ is going to be buried in un-stayed and new lawsuits. They're going to have to pick some battles and let some go. 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MartyZ 692 Posted June 23, 2022 Just now, xXxplosive said: again, if their decision stands, IMO, it negates apps., permits and qual. tests. under the 2nd AND 14TH. Unfortunately the decision states that apps, permits, and qual are still allowed. They state that may-issue is unconstitutional and shall-issue must be the law of the land. 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ShootersShooter 120 Posted June 23, 2022 Just tell me where & when to show up for qualifying...I'm ready. 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikelets456 78 Posted June 23, 2022 5 minutes ago, MartyZ said: Unfortunately the decision states that apps, permits, and qual are still allowed. They state that may-issue is unconstitutional and shall-issue must be the law of the land. Qualification for CCW---one shot with snub nose 38 to hit target at 250 yards...GO! 1 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gleninjersey 2,139 Posted June 23, 2022 12 minutes ago, 1LtCAP said: soo...these ranges are accessible to non-leo? If I had to guess they will all most likely be offering it as a service to non-LEO ASAP Why wouldn't they? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MartyZ 692 Posted June 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, mikelets456 said: Qualification for CCW---one shot with snub nose 38 to hit target at 250 yards...GO! I guess we better start practicing. Good thing I have one. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
raz-0 1,259 Posted June 23, 2022 14 minutes ago, xXxplosive said: again, if their decision stands, IMO, it negates apps., permits and qual. tests. under the 2nd AND 14TH. I mean the decision literally says that permitting is permitted and uniform, objective standards are not necessarily infringing nor are they guaranteed to not be infringing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DirtyDigz 1,811 Posted June 23, 2022 Gonna be real interesting to see what the NJ legislature does with the 7 or 9 or whatever new bills they're chewing through right now, as in today. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CMJeepster 2,777 Posted June 23, 2022 25 minutes ago, MartyZ said: What is this crap? "Each person applying for a Permit to Carry a Handgun must supply a letter of need, specific in content, as to why they have a need to carry a firearm in the State of New Jersey" Do we just put "All Legal Purposes" onto a blank sheet of paper? I'm attaching the SCOTUS decision. 1 1 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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Mr.Stu 1,916 Posted June 23, 2022 31 minutes ago, MartyZ said: What is this crap? "Each person applying for a Permit to Carry a Handgun must supply a letter of need, specific in content, as to why they have a need to carry a firearm in the State of New Jersey" Do we just put "All Legal Purposes" onto a blank sheet of paper? I know it's hard to believe, but NJ was not chomping at the bit to update their forms and procedures. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CMJeepster 2,777 Posted June 23, 2022 1 hour ago, 10X said: Liberal Heads Exploding ‘The View’ Hosts Rage Over ‘Tone Deaf’ Supreme Court Ruling to Broaden Gun Rights: ‘It’s Such a Middle Finger to New York’ (yahoo.com) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MartyZ 692 Posted June 23, 2022 Just now, CMJeepster said: ‘The View’ Hosts Rage Over ‘Tone Deaf’ Supreme Court Ruling to Broaden Gun Rights: ‘It’s Such a Middle Finger to New York’ (yahoo.com) NY deserves not 1 but 6 middle fingers Ok, so what is the best CC holster for a VP9? For a fat guy. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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CMJeepster 2,777 Posted June 23, 2022 Cue the usual wailing, but Supreme Court gun ruling won’t unleash new wave of violence (yahoo.com) "Our gun violence problems are driven by many factors — including, yes, the prevalence of guns. It’s not the biggest cause, though. That would be young men (and some not-so-young ones, too) who have not learned impulse control or how to handle their disputes and disappointments without resorting to violence. They violate a plethora of gun laws, ones that should be fully and vigorously enforced before we try broad new restrictions. You just don’t see a lot of gang members and hotheads taking the time and effort to apply for a license-to-carry." 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites