Supreme Court Takes First 2A Case in a Decade

[DirtyDigz 1,811]

On 4/4/2024 at 12:56 PM, DirtyDigz said:

Oral arguments have been postponed one day to 04/11/24:

[Mr.Stu 1,916]

JFCOAB!

When is that jackass going to start doing his damn job? This case is coming up on 6 years old and he's still going with delay, delay, delay.

Whichever way he decides, it is going to be appealed to the 3rd Circuit, so why can't he just shit or get off the pot?

[b47356 21]

1 hour ago, Mr.Stu said:

JFCOAB!

When is that jackass going to start doing his damn job? This case is coming up on 6 years old and he's still going with delay, delay, delay.

Whichever way he decides, it is going to be appealed to the 3rd Circuit, so why can't he just shit or get off the pot?

The ever so useful 3rd circuit threw it back to district court in the fallout from Bruen. Happened to just about all 2a cases around the country.

[Mr.Stu 1,916]

1 minute ago, b47356 said:

The ever so useful 3rd circuit threw it back to district court in the fallout from Bruen. Happened to just about all 2a cases around the country.

That was more than 18 months ago. He ordered "discovery". Discovery of what? Heller laid out the text, history & tradition requirement. Nj had already had ample opportunity to show the historical support for this if it ever existed. History from the time of the founding cannot be created anew in the last 18 months.

I am sick and tired of the so-called justice system pretending that they know best.

[Displaced Texan 11,731]

10 minutes ago, Mr.Stu said:

That was more than 18 months ago. He ordered "discovery". Discovery of what? Heller laid out the text, history & tradition requirement. Nj had already had ample opportunity to show the historical support for this if it ever existed. History from the time of the founding cannot be created anew in the last 18 months.

I am sick and tired of the so-called justice system pretending that they know best.

Rights delayed means rights denied. 

[voyager9 3,434]

2 hours ago, Displaced Texan said:

Rights delayed means rights denied. 

In NJ a Right is only for the left due to all the jughandles.  
 

I agree though that there was zero reason this case stalled back at the district level the second time.  Even the CA case that was remanded all the way down has hit the 9th again.  

[diamondd817 826]

16 hours ago, Mr.Stu said:

JFCOAB!

When is that jackass going to start doing his damn job? This case is coming up on 6 years old and he's still going with delay, delay, delay.

Whichever way he decides, it is going to be appealed to the 3rd Circuit, so why can't he just shit or get off the pot?

It's all intentional.

[Grima Squeakersen 482]

2 hours ago, diamondd817 said:

It's all intentional.

Of course it is. Does anyone seriously think that if the stakes were transposed: if there was a SCOTUS decision that allowed restrictions on firearms privileges that had previously been allowed under NJ law, that court decisions implementing those changes would not have been long since rendered in final form?

[DirtyDigz 1,811]

On 4/9/2024 at 2:59 PM, DirtyDigz said:

Oral arguments have been postponed one day to 04/11/24:

This is supposed to start in ~1 hour.

Don't think there will be any video/audio broadcasts, but I believe FPC is going to live blog it on their twitter:

https://twitter.com/gunpolicy
 

We might also have some NJ people live blogging via the NJ Firearms Owners Syndicate Facebook page:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/899297428365467

[DirtyDigz 1,811]

[DirtyDigz 1,811]

[1LtCAP 4,262]

what was the end result? or is this one of those things that we all hafta wait to hear? i'm not trying to be wise.....i'm really that stupid regarding these things, lol

[Mr.Stu 1,916]

1 minute ago, 1LtCAP said:

what was the end result? or is this one of those things that we all hafta wait to hear? i'm not trying to be wise.....i'm really that stupid regarding these things, lol

It's a waiting game. The attorneys argued their sides to the judge. He can sit on it for just about a long a he wants. He's not going to decide quickly. He hates guns and will find any excuse to keep the ban in place. 

[1LtCAP 4,262]

Just now, Mr.Stu said:

It's a waiting game. The attorneys argued their sides to the judge. He can sit on it for just about a long a he wants. He's not going to decide quickly. He hates guns and will find any excuse to keep the ban in place. 

do we have options if he does that? sits on it abnormally long i mean?

[voyager9 3,434]

25 minutes ago, DirtyDigz said:

Schmutter should have told Sheridan that sledgehammers are also protected under 2A and that needs based scrutiny was prohibited under Bruen.  

[DirtyDigz 1,811]

Notes from yesterday's hearing, ostensibly (don't know the source):

[voyager9 3,434]

27 minutes ago, DirtyDigz said:

Notes from yesterday's hearing, ostensibly

Typical state fear-mongering arguments.   Them pushing that numbers don’t equate to common use is nonsensical.  
Judge asking about ruling for the standard capacity mag ban but against AR (features) is concerning.   Smacks of interest balancing which is explicitly forbidden under Bruen.  

[CMJeepster 2,777]

So stupid...

[father-of-three 243]

1 hour ago, DirtyDigz said:

Notes from yesterday's hearing, ostensibly (don't know the source):

Is it assumed that these arguments will need to be appealed to the next level, or there the ever-slight-chance something positive (for us) will happen at this level? (Yeah...my quiet optimism!)

[ESB 244]

"State said LCM's are a risk to mass shootings and they need to be banned to allow people to escape at the reload."  

Wow, the argument for restricting magazine capacity is so that in a mass shooting, people have time to get to safety during the reload.  This clearly shows their massive ignorance or blatant lies.  A mass shooting is typically planned in advance and the shooter will have many magazines on them, strategically placed.  Reloads typically take less than 4 seconds and can take less than 2 with a little practice. This is not enough time for an unarmed victim to realistically realize the shooter is actually reloading and flee and get to a safe location in time.   If that were actually the case, all mass shootings would be limited to 10 people as after the 10th round, everyone else could flee to safety during the reload.  Clearly this is not the case.   

Further, mass shooters also do not care about laws since they aren't planning on being around after the incident (suicide by police) to face any consequences of using "illegal large capacity magazines", so banning them in one state does not prevent a mass shooter from using so called "LCMs" in a mass shooting.  Banning LCM's would have very little effect on mass shootings.  

 

On the other hand limiting the magazine round count significantly impacts a weapon's usefulness in a home defense situation for the law abiding citizen.  Break ins are rarely perpetrated by just one person these days, but instead by multiple thugs.  Again criminals do not obey laws, so they could have illegal firearms with high capacity magazines.  During a break in, the home owner rarely has time to load up and secure multiple magazines on their person in a high stress and quickly evolving situation, especially if this is likely occurring at night and you are in your pajamas or worse.  You would be lucky to be able to grab your weapon with one mag already in it, and maybe one mag more.  While a mag change may not be enough time for an unarmed victim to safely flee, a mag change by a home owner with a low capacity magazine could give an armed criminal the time to safely return fire and kill the home owner.   

The same could be said in a CCW self defense situation.  Not many CCW's carry more than 2 magazines.  In a shootout if the law abiding citizen with a low capacity magazine has to stop to reload or runs out, that could provide the criminal with illegal HCM's to safely shoot and kill the law abiding citizen.  

[voyager9 3,434]

36 minutes ago, ESB said:

 

"State said LCM's are a risk to mass shootings and they need to be banned to allow people to escape at the reload."  

Wow, the argument for restricting magazine capacity is so that in a mass shooting, people have time to get to safety during the reload.  This clearly shows their massive ignorance or blatant lies. 

 

The argument is demonstratively false considering there have been a non-zero number of mass shootings where the shooters used small magazines.  

[xXxplosive 823]

1 hour ago, ESB said:

The same could be said in a CCW self defense situation.  Not many CCW's carry more than 2 magazines.  In a shootout if the law abiding citizen with a low capacity magazine has to stop to reload or runs out, that could provide the criminal with illegal HCM's to safely shoot and kill the law abiding citizen.  

why some like the NY Reload..........

[Xtors 333]

3 hours ago, DirtyDigz said:

Notes from yesterday's hearing, ostensibly (don't know the source):

Am I interpreting this correctly? For the most part, the judge's questions seem better than I would have expected (bar set low to begin with).

[gunforhire 826]

Dan Schmutter will be on GunForHireRadio 674 next Sunday for a full breakdown. He, Nappen, Bach, etc are analyzing now. 

[CMJeepster 2,777]

4 minutes ago, gunforhire said:

Dan Schmutter will be on GunForHireRadio 674 next Sunday for a full breakdown. He, Nappen, Bach, etc are analyzing now. 

Looking forward to it, as always!