Bt Doctur 188 Posted December 30, 2021 They want the guns locked up and the ammo locked up ,so does keeping a tactical shotty loaded and locked up considered the same? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
High Exposure 5,635 Posted December 30, 2021 I thought this bill died and had been scrapped…. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
45Doll 5,848 Posted December 30, 2021 Just now, High Exposure said: I thought this bill died and had been scrapped…. Until 1/11/2022 when it will be resurrected. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lawnmower2021 423 Posted December 30, 2021 Quote NEW JERSEY STATE LAW REQUIRES THAT ALL FIREARMS MUST BE STORED, UNLOADED, IN A SECURELY LOCKED GUN SAFE OR LOCKED CONTAINER, AND ALL AMMUNITION MUST BE STORED IN A SEPARATE, SECURELY LOCKED GUN SAFE OR LOCKED CONTAINER This is the issue. It has to be locked in separate containers. (Assuming I got this from the right place: https://www.njleg.state.nj.us/bills/BillView.asp?BillNumber=A5647) So no, if this ever sees the light of day you will not be able to keep your shotgun loaded, even if it's locked up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brucin 918 Posted December 30, 2021 25 minutes ago, Lawnmower2021 said: So no, if this ever sees the light of day you will not be able to keep your shotgun loaded, even if it's locked up. Sure I won't. 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
High Exposure 5,635 Posted December 30, 2021 1 hour ago, 45Doll said: Until 1/11/2022 when it will be resurrected. IMO this one does not have the legs to go the distance. 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CMJeepster 2,766 Posted December 30, 2021 Moot point as the Heller decision addressed this directly. 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
45Doll 5,848 Posted December 30, 2021 53 minutes ago, High Exposure said: IMO this one does not have the legs to go the distance. I hope you're right, but I'm pretty sure they'll bring it up again. The Heller decision won't stop them from enacting it, and then counting on years in the courts to maybe get a rejection. IMO there's not a single Democrat in Trenton that believes in, supports and defends the Constitution as written. 2 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sniper 6,372 Posted December 30, 2021 2 hours ago, 45Doll said: IMO there's not a single Democrat in Trenton that believes in, supports and defends the Constitution as written. That had to be quoted a second time. It also holds true for the swamp in DC. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
leahcim 673 Posted December 30, 2021 I store my guns inside the house, house is always locked, so is my house a LOCKED CONTAINER? What about when one home carries? Can it be loaded? 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CMJeepster 2,766 Posted December 30, 2021 You'll shoot your eye out! 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lawnmower2021 423 Posted December 30, 2021 40 minutes ago, leahcim said: I store my guns inside the house, house is always locked, so is my house a LOCKED CONTAINER? What about when one home carries? Can it be loaded? In my opinion you could argue that it is "in use". If you're actively holding, carrying, practicing, cleaning, admiring, etc. a firearm, it's "in use." Just to highlight the ridiculousness of this: first offense nets 10+ hours of anti-gun propaganda "community service", while the second is a disorderly persons charge. That could mean jail time! In reality, this is impossible to enforce and should disappear. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1LtCAP 4,259 Posted December 30, 2021 so does it specifically state in that bill that it supercedes 2c:39-6e? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
High Exposure 5,635 Posted December 30, 2021 5 hours ago, 45Doll said: I hope you're right, but I'm pretty sure they'll bring it up again. The Heller decision won't stop them from enacting it, and then counting on years in the courts to maybe get a rejection. IMO there's not a single Democrat in Trenton that believes in, supports and defends the Constitution as written. This “Home Storage” portion of the entire firearms package was what was holding the rest up. This was the one part some Ds couldn’t get behind. So they will remove it from consideration, and then we will see about the rest. IMO 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lawnmower2021 423 Posted December 31, 2021 37 minutes ago, 1LtCAP said: so does it specifically state in that bill that it supercedes 2c:39-6e? Quote b. Nothing in this section shall be construed to prevent a legal owner from being authorized, pursuant to subsection e. of N.J.S.2C:39-6, to lawfully keep or carry about the owner’s place of business, residence, premises, or other land owned or possessed by the owner, any firearm, or from carrying the firearm, in the manner specified in subsection g. of N.J.S.2C:39-6. It specifically calls it out as intact, which I guess mostly means the way you transport weapons would be the same. Though I am naïve, not sure if that has any specific positive or negative other than misleading text. To be honest, reading this stuff kind of gives me a headache so I'm open to better conclusions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr.Stu 1,884 Posted December 31, 2021 The way I read Nappen's interpretation is that carrying the firearm is still OK, but the ammo has to be locked up as the carve out only applies to the firearm, not the ammo. 14 hours ago, Lawnmower2021 said: b. Nothing in this section shall be construed to prevent a legal owner from being authorized, pursuant to subsection e. of N.J.S.2C:39-6, to lawfully keep or carry about the owner’s place of business, residence, premises, or other land owned or possessed by the owner, any firearm, or from carrying the firearm, in the manner specified in subsection g. of N.J.S.2C:39-6. At the end of the day, this is unenforceable day to day, but will be an add-on charge if you ever have to use your gun in self defense at home. As was posted earlier - have 2 safes open by the time the cops show up and they won't be able to prove you weren't in compliance. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
revenger 472 Posted December 31, 2021 i'm sure all the pro2a gun orgs. in NJ have their appeals to the SCOTUS already prepared should any of this pass, stop worrying. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marlintag 223 Posted December 31, 2021 Never going to happen..... the 43 other states with normal rights would be threatened by this and would take drastic action. Like many have said if such a law passed in NJ it would be unenforceable. God forbid if a self defense encounter would occur at my residence there would be no way of proving that I DID NOT have the gun in the attic and bullets in the basement. I too like many here have multiple gun vaults to keep unauthorized people out.... Another point of this law that no one talks about is that there is NO EXCEPTION FOR ACTIVE LEOS, RETIRED LEOS AND THOSE WITH PERMITS. This would mean that active leos would have to disarm after their shifts and when not carrying their CCW weapons off duty. Hey officer just got home from the grocery store? Guess what? you have to unload your off duty CCW weapon! Even NJ cops will ignore this law if ever passed LOL sorry for the long post, this is just stupid! 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sniper 6,372 Posted December 31, 2021 30 minutes ago, marlintag said: Another point of this law that no one talks about is that there is NO EXCEPTION FOR ACTIVE LEOS, RETIRED LEOS AND THOSE WITH PERMITS. They would probably slide that exception in at the last minute. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marlintag 223 Posted December 31, 2021 33 minutes ago, Sniper said: They would probably slide that exception in at the last minute. I doubt it! After all don't they have children too! We have to keep the children safe too. No, they would be screwed if this passed too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FairbanksRusty 64 Posted December 31, 2021 Not to change the topic, but I’m waiting to see how many Canadian’s turn in their “bad” guns now that Trudeau has banned them. https://www.dailywire.com/news/hardly-any-canadians-have-turned-in-their-now-outlawed-firearms-to-the-government 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sniper 6,372 Posted December 31, 2021 15 minutes ago, marlintag said: I doubt it! After all don't they have children too! We have to keep the children safe too. No, they would be screwed if this passed too. Interesting... are they that stupid that they would piss off the active LEOs that are currently guarding them? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marlintag 223 Posted December 31, 2021 3 hours ago, Sniper said: Interesting... are they that stupid that they would piss off the active LEOs that are currently guarding them? This would also affect retired LEOS and those with CCW permits in this state. So yes! but anyways... this is a "unenforceable nothing-burger"..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
father-of-three 235 Posted January 1, 2022 This state makes my eyes roll. Not only do democrats here write highly restrictive and unconstitutional gun control bills, but they are ignorant along with their arrogance and forget to write in exceptions for their chosen few (law enforcement) they believe are worthy of carrying a firearm. People under LEOSA would probably have been screwed too on this one. Sadly, this bill will pass eventually, probably sooner than later. As nice as it would be, I dont see a red wave hitting this state to change the majority any time soon. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NJ_Dude 192 Posted January 1, 2022 1 hour ago, father-of-three said: "...I dont see a red wave hitting this state to change the majority any time soon." It is possible if we PREVENT the DemonRats rigging elections. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites