New HK Umarex MP5 .22LR legal in NJ?

[dedonderosa 6]

Hey everyone i saw that HK released the MP5 .22lr a couple months ago. i saw Howell gun works was selling them but im unsure if they are legit legal in NJ. My only reasons being is "MP5" in on the official NJ BANNED gun list, the fake suppressor needs to be unscrewed off the threaded barrel to be taken apart to clean and to my knowledge it would have to be pinned correct? Also the adjustable stock would have to be pinned as well. I really would like to purchase this if indeed it is or can be made legal in NJ. please let me know thank you very much

 

[Krdshrk 3,159]

MP5 is listed but that's a completely different gun and different caliber - this is the MP5-22.  Specifically built for semi auto civilian use, not a submachine gun like the MP5.

[My1stGlock 116]

Chances are if Howell is selling them they are fine. They know their stuff and any compliance  work is probably addressed before it’s sold to u. The fake suppressor is just a shroud at the end of the day.

[Malice4you 594]

As pictured, stock would have to be pinned open, which the FFL likely has already done.

I own a GSG522SD, which does not have MP5 in the name, but is essentially an MP5SD2 wannabe in .22.  Since it needs to be a 16" barrel, there is likely gonna be a similar pencil inner barrel with essentially a closed mock suppressor shroud around it, which probably screws into the forend of the rifle and not the barrel itself. I have not handled this model, but the .22 clone MP5s I have handled were a similar enough setup to mine.

 

Interesting factoid. Early model of one of the GSG MP5 clones had a shroud that the ATF later decided was a supressor because it apparently changed the noise somehow.  I dunno if early ones had an empty can, but mine is solid and hefty.

I would love to live somewhere I could SBR mine and throw on a real can. Would cost at least as much as I paid for the thing, of course.

[dedonderosa 6]

but also because the fake suppressor tech threads onto the barrel itself does that have to be pinned? only reason im asking is because if you pin it to the barrel you wont be able to take it apart to properly clean it etc as shown in the video below

 

 

[Krdshrk 3,159]

By that video it doesn't thread on to the barrel - it threads on to the receiver itself.

[dedonderosa 6]

45 minutes ago, Krdshrk said:

By that video it doesn't thread on to the barrel - it threads on to the receiver itself.

call me crazy but, you can see the threads are clearly on the silver barrel end. he pushes the whole assembly out of the housing and thats where the threads are it appears

[Krdshrk 3,159]

1 hour ago, dedonderosa said:

call me crazy but, you can see the threads are clearly on the silver barrel end. he pushes the whole assembly out of the housing and thats where the threads are it appears

Hmm - I just reviewed that again and you're right.  Honestly - I'm not sure - but if you want something like this I would go for the GSG-522 instead.  I'm sure Howell Gun Works is making it NJ Compliant before sale... otherwise they're gonna get a visit.

[PK90 3,445]

Do the threads accept a flash hider? There's your answer.

[JT Custom Guns 939]

On the GSG version the threads are on the frame for the Barrel Shroud so the barrel is not threaded.

On the Umarex the barrel is threaded, so the shroud needs to be pinned to the barrel and the Stock pinned as well. As always mags need to be 10rds, so either get the 10 rd version or dealer needs to block & seal before turning over to customer.

Happy New Year!

JT 

[PK90 3,445]

If the threads can't accept a flash hider, no pinning is necessary. 

[JT Custom Guns 939]

15 minutes ago, PK90 said:

If the threads can't accept a flash hider, no pinning is necessary. 

Agreed but since they now have thread adapters for 8mm threaded barrels, I'm not sure how the state would look at this.

HGW pins the shroud, as would we.........

 

[Mr.Stu 906]

36 minutes ago, JT Custom Guns said:

Agreed but since they now have thread adapters for 8mm threaded barrels, I'm not sure how the state would look at this.

HGW pins the shroud, as would we.........

 

This turns back to the OP's question. If the shroud is pinned, how would you field strip it to clean it?

[JT Custom Guns 939]

58 minutes ago, Mr.Stu said:

This turns back to the OP's question. If the shroud is pinned, how would you field strip it to clean it?

The SD (Large shroud) Should be no different than the original version:

 

 

[JT Custom Guns 939]

OR - you can go with Paul's position that that barrel can't accept a Flash Hider, but that is up to the customer & FFL..........

[dedonderosa 6]

thanks for all the info guys. now i just need to find an FFL who will pin it etc. howell is a little far for me if i buy one. can be very frustrating with all these stipulations etc. anyone have any good FFL in north nj who could do this ?  

[JT Custom Guns 939]

Just remember that the barrel is VERY thin, and whoever pins it should have previous experience so as to not drill through the barrel.

Ask you FFL - "Have you done this model before"?  

Just so they don't monkey up you gun...........

[H2oVento 25]

2 hours ago, dedonderosa said:

thanks for all the info guys. now i just need to find an FFL who will pin it etc. howell is a little far for me if i buy one. can be very frustrating with all these stipulations etc. anyone have any good FFL in north nj who could do this ?  

Let us know how you make out. I want one of these as well. 

[dedonderosa 6]

well. howell gun works ended up getting 2 more in and are all set NJ compliant so i ended up just buying on from them to make life easier. 

[H2oVento 25]

On 1/6/2022 at 7:24 AM, dedonderosa said:

well. howell gun works ended up getting 2 more in and are all set NJ compliant so i ended up just buying on from them to make life easier. 

How much if you don't mind me asking

[My1stGlock 116]

On 1/6/2022 at 7:24 AM, dedonderosa said:

well. howell gun works ended up getting 2 more in and are all set NJ compliant so i ended up just buying on from them to make life easier. 

Same day pick up or two trips?

[The_Matrix 95]

how much? I might get one.

[dedonderosa 6]

unfortunately  2 trips nics is backed up about a week they said. but it is what it is.   $549.00 + tax and nics all complete NJ compliant which i asked about having them do if  i had one shipped to them, they told me it would cost about 100 bucks to do. so in the end its worth it. 

[The_Matrix 95]

5 hours ago, dedonderosa said:

unfortunately  2 trips nics is backed up about a week they said. but it is what it is.   $549.00 + tax and nics all complete NJ compliant which i asked about having them do if  i had one shipped to them, they told me it would cost about 100 bucks to do. so in the end its worth it. 

Thanks Pal!

So, how do they pinned the faux suppressor? Can you still take the rifle apart for cleaning?

[dedonderosa 6]

i wont know the exact details till i get down there this saturday. didn't have a chance to get there this past weekend to fill out my nics.  ill keep you posted 

[dedonderosa 6]

ok well i went to fill out my paperwork, it is indeed pinned on the stock and the faux suppressor, which means you fully cant take it apart but he was showing me that you can still clean it good with out doing a full take down. its very nice btw

[dedonderosa 6]

so much fun this thing btw

[Lawnmower2021 158]

I picked up one of these recently. Same, pinned stock and faux suppressor.

It has the classic "HK Slap" on the charging handle. Seems like a fun plinker for the price.

However, it is much cheaper feeling than a genuine MP5. The handguard is literally toy-like plastic. I will research how to clean the thing before I actually shoot it  

[dedonderosa 6]

pull the stock off clean the spring area, lube with oil, as for the chamber i just used some spray cleaner/oil wiped it out a few times and used a few drops of oil. As for the barrel i just used a bore snake, good to go. This thing shoots great so much fun, i took it to the range for the first time a put 500rds through it no issues. so much fun! enjoy!