Lawnmower2021 423 Posted February 15, 2022 https://abcnews.go.com/US/sandy-hook-families-settle-remington-marking-1st-time/story?id=82881639 Quote Remington Arms agreed Tuesday to settle liability claims from the families of five adults and four children killed in the massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School, according to a new court filing, marking the first time a gun manufacturer has been held liable for a mass shooting in the U.S. The settlement comes nearly eight years after the families sued the maker of the Bushmaster XM15-E2S semiautomatic rifle that was used in the 2012 mass shooting in Newtown, Connecticut. No details yet on the settlement amount, but not the best precedent to have. From Remington's POV it must have been better to settle than drag out in court. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CMJeepster 2,765 Posted February 15, 2022 Because firearms pull their own triggers. Ridiculous... 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1LtCAP 4,258 Posted February 15, 2022 yea. they were looking at their bottom line. this is gonna be a super bad precedent. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
10X 3,278 Posted February 15, 2022 1 hour ago, Lawnmower2021 said: Quote Remington Arms agreed Tuesday to settle liability claims from the families of five adults and four children killed in the massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School, according to a new court filing, marking the first time a gun manufacturer has been held liable for a mass shooting in the U.S. Not surprisingly, the article is misleading. Remington was not held liable. They offered to settle. Bad precedent, yes, but the courts did not find them liable. Remington was reacting to the risk that they might. There is also this gem in the article: The rifle Lanza used was Remington’s version of the AR-15 assault rifle, which is substantially similar to the standard issue M16 military service rifle used by the U.S. Army and other nations’ armed forces, but fires only in semiautomatic mode. Kinda in the same way that a Toyota is 'substantially similar' to a Cessna, except that it can't fly. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YankeeSC 1,204 Posted February 15, 2022 1 hour ago, 10X said: Kinda in the same way that a Toyota is 'substantially similar' to a Cessna, except that it can't fly. Kinda like calling the coofid shots a vaccine. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
10X 3,278 Posted February 15, 2022 9 minutes ago, YankeeSC said: Kinda like calling the coofid shots a vaccine. No, that one is completely accurate. 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lawnmower2021 423 Posted February 15, 2022 $73 Million settlement: https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/15/us/sandy-hook-shooting-settlement-with-remington/index.html Quote The families have also "obtained and can make public thousands of pages of internal company documents that prove Remington's wrongdoing and carry important lessons for helping to prevent future mass shootings," the plaintiffs' attorneys said in a news release. It seems like Remington itself is technically out of the equation and this was really between insurance companies. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NJ_Dude 192 Posted February 15, 2022 I wonder if we could sue the parents of that shooter for 'having him', I mean, after all they 'made' him, right? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Underdog 1,593 Posted February 15, 2022 Remington settles civil suit for 73 million that focused on Remington's targetting of young adults through video games, etc. Remington caves even though it couldn't possibly be responsible for what that evil creature did? Why isn't the FBI not held responsible? Backdoor gun control? All the politicians that let out violent criminals onto the streets need to be held accountable, then. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tom609 27 Posted February 16, 2022 4 hours ago, NJ_Dude said: I wonder if we could sue the parents of that shooter for 'having him', I mean, after all they 'made' him, right? I think he killed his mother before going to the school. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gleninjersey 2,134 Posted February 16, 2022 Bad decision on Remington and their insurance companies. But, as noted in this less biased and better written article, this isn't the first time a gun maker has paid to settle lawsuits. I almost wonder if they settled in an attempt to have it overturned at a quicker rate. It can't possibly be proven that Remington caused the horrendous actions of a mentally unstable young man. Almost every product maker targets younger audiences. And the Remington product wasn't overly dangerous in it's design. It was negligently and intentionally used in a way it wasn't designed for. I'm sure Remington has all types of information pertaining to the safe use of firearms. https://apnews.com/article/sandy-hook-school-shooting-remington-settlement-e53b95d398ee9b838afc06275a4df403 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
father-of-three 235 Posted February 16, 2022 3 hours ago, Tom609 said: I think he killed his mother before going to the school. Yes. And it was her rifle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CMJeepster 2,765 Posted February 16, 2022 9 hours ago, gleninjersey said: And the Remington product wasn't overly dangerous in it's design. It was negligently and intentionally used in a way it wasn't designed for. As I always say, it's the intent, not the instrument. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
silverado427 10,552 Posted February 16, 2022 So if i slip and fall on a banana peel, Can I sue Chiquita. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lawnmower2021 423 Posted February 16, 2022 I do admit, the "man card" Bushmaster ads are tacky. But if salesmanship is to blame, then companies like BMW are to blame for the ... interesting road choices people make in their vehicles 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CMJeepster 2,765 Posted February 16, 2022 22 minutes ago, silverado427 said: So if i slip and fall on a banana peel, Can I sue Chiquita. Depends. Is it a high capacity assault-style fruit? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EdF 323 Posted February 16, 2022 20 hours ago, Lawnmower2021 said: It seems like Remington itself is technically out of the equation and this was really between insurance companies. This is the most important point here. Remington doesn't exist. Remington didn't admit any fault OR offer a settlement. The insurance companies settled because they aren't there to fight for the 2nd Amendment. They are there to turn a profit. The cost of settling outweighed the cost of litigation. It's that simple. What this means for other gun related businesses is another story entirely. 2 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Underdog 1,593 Posted February 17, 2022 Some would think it is also do to the massive pressure that is being put on all corporations to put their masks on and get vaxed and do as they are told. If that doesn't occur then they will be legally (and financially) harrassed and cancelled. Additionally, they will not be able to function because they will be effectively cancelled by the financial institutions and will not be able to get credit or even be able to have their financial transactions processed such as when say Salesforce banned some gun companies. Then there is the personal attacks that employees will be subjected to... Remington is being used as a tool to bring about gun control. It could even be that the new owners/managment aren't as concerned so much with the amount as with the end results because they are bought and paid for. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites