raz-0 1,256 Posted November 9, 2022 8 hours ago, M1152 said: Chevron oil refinery is engulfed in flames https://twitter.com/rawsalerts/status/1590180946367897601 Ooof. California was already getting hosed due to insisting on special blends, those were expensive because they were only being made in CA refineries. Guess $7 a gallon + is back on the table. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
njJoniGuy 2,129 Posted November 10, 2022 Putin did it. Payback for the pipeline break. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krdshrk 3,872 Posted November 10, 2022 Just filled up $3.63/gal - so glad I have a Costco membership. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyB 4,289 Posted November 10, 2022 It's $3.69 to $3.99 for regular down in Gloucester County. Unfortunately, my car requires only super be used which is much higher. Fortunately for me, I have not paid a penny for gas for over 40 years.....A company benefit! 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1LtCAP 4,259 Posted November 10, 2022 10 hours ago, JohnnyB said: It's $3.69 to $3.99 for regular down in Gloucester County. Unfortunately, my car requires only super be used which is much higher. Fortunately for me, I have not paid a penny for gas for over 40 years.....A company benefit! 3.69 out in front of me. was 3.89 last week. before that it was down into the 3.40's i suspect we'll hit 4 again soon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CMJeepster 2,766 Posted November 10, 2022 Just now, 1LtCAP said: 3.69 out in front of me. was 3.89 last week. before that it was down into the 3.40's i suspect we'll hit 4 again soon Depends how the results of the "election" come in. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
45Doll 5,848 Posted November 10, 2022 From Newton to Chester on 206 today prices were mainly between $3.85 and $4.15. Seemed consistently higher south of 80. South of 80 diesel was $6.00+ everywhere. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
45Doll 5,848 Posted November 11, 2022 Today in Newton multiple stations at $4. Diesel at $6. Incidentally, six croissants at Weis at $8, up 33% from $6 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CMJeepster 2,766 Posted November 11, 2022 4 minutes ago, 45Doll said: Today in Newton multiple stations at $4. Diesel at $6. Incidentally, six croissants at Weis at $8, up 33% from $6 Build back better, bro! 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gleninjersey 2,134 Posted November 11, 2022 Visiting family in the South. Lowest I saw yesterday was $2.85 in Georgia. Seems to be averaging $3.15 - $3.40ish. Was high $3s low $4 when I left dirty Jersey. Prepay option yesterday on car rental was $3.35. I took it. With hurricane hitting I'm sure prices will be up before I turn it in. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
10X 3,278 Posted November 11, 2022 Gonna be a long winter. Yesterday's fuel oil delivery was $5.82 a gallon, and we've got a big, old drafty house. The oil company estimates about $8,000 for the year, based on past consumption (heat, and year-round hot water). I've spent years adding insulation, weatherstripping, programmable thermostats, and tight-fitting cellular shades that stay down all winter. Not much more I can do to make things better prior to a planned move out of state next year. The thermostats seem glitchy. They seem to adjust up slightly whenever my wife walks by one. 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
45Doll 5,848 Posted November 11, 2022 1 hour ago, 10X said: The thermostats seem glitchy. They seem to adjust up slightly whenever my wife walks by one. I'm familiar with that malfunction. And in the summer they adjust down. As for the oil, you have my sympathy. I hope for you and my other oil fired friends that we don't run into rationing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scorpio64 5,120 Posted November 12, 2022 I wonder what the cost per 1000 BTUs is for electricity now, compared to heating oil. Electric is traditionally the most expensive way to heat, but I wonder what the break point is for it being cheaper than oil. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
njJoniGuy 2,129 Posted November 12, 2022 23 minutes ago, Scorpio64 said: I wonder what the cost per 1000 BTUs is for electricity now, compared to heating oil. Electric is traditionally the most expensive way to heat, but I wonder what the break point is for it being cheaper than oil. Here's the data: Current electric (PSEG residential) is $.200476 per KWH delivered Straight resistance heat (in an Amana PTAC unit): 230V 3.5KW rating delivers 12,000 BTU/H 208V 3.0KW rating delivers 9,900 BTU/H You do the computations. It's Friday night and I'm fried. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
10X 3,278 Posted November 12, 2022 We’ve been looking at homes in northern Idaho, and I’m surprised that quite a number have electric heat, even that close to Canada. But Idaho has a lot of cheap hydro power, rates most places are no more than 0.10/KWH. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
father-of-three 235 Posted November 12, 2022 On 11/7/2022 at 6:00 PM, 45Doll said: On the northeast extension. Also saw a manual sign 'out of diesel' going out route 80 W. This came up on the Pennsylvania forum. The sign was up (as early as 2020 I believe) because the fuel tanks were being replaced, so it is bascally fake news. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
45Doll 5,848 Posted November 12, 2022 9 hours ago, father-of-three said: This came up on the Pennsylvania forum. The sign was up (as early as 2020 I believe) because the fuel tanks were being replaced, so it is bascally fake news. I rarely go on the NE extension, so I wouldn't have known that. They've been replacing fuel tanks for two years? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
father-of-three 235 Posted November 12, 2022 1 hour ago, 45Doll said: I rarely go on the NE extension, so I wouldn't have known that. They've been replacing fuel tanks for two years? Here's the link to the pafoa.org "gas prices" thread. I thought the same thing when I first saw that picture too. https://forum.pafoa.org/showthread.php?t=385213&page=152 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
45Doll 5,848 Posted November 12, 2022 3 minutes ago, father-of-three said: Here's the link to the pafoa.org "gas prices" thread. I thought the same thing when I first saw that picture too. https://forum.pafoa.org/showthread.php?t=385213&page=152 OK, so it's the picture that's supposed to be old. I see later in the thread that diesel in Easton is now $7. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
45Doll 5,848 Posted November 12, 2022 A lot more detail on the current state of diesel. Our dangerous diesel shortage caused by anti-fossil-fuel politicians (substack.com) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Displaced Texan 11,655 Posted November 12, 2022 I paid $6.29 for regular here in Portland today. WTF??’!! 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
father-of-three 235 Posted November 12, 2022 4 hours ago, 45Doll said: OK, so it's the picture that's supposed to be old. I see later in the thread that diesel in Easton is now $7. That's likely. I'll verify on my way back from Church tomorrow. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scorpio64 5,120 Posted November 12, 2022 18 hours ago, njJoniGuy said: You do the computations. It's Friday night and I'm fried. Here are some interesting tidbits taken from various sites, along with some of my own computations. The accuracy is sketchy (some figures vary by vested interest of sources), but should fall in the ballpark. 120VAC produces a max potential of 3,413 BTU per kWh A 1500W rated (120VAC 12.5A) space heater produces 5,120 BTU/h (or 122,880 BTU in a 24hr period) 1 gal. of HHO = 40.6 kWh 1 gal. HHO = 135,500 BTUs @ $0.20/kWh it costs approx $0.30/hr to run a 1500W space heater at full output. The amount of energy in 1g #2 is135,500 BTUs, which is equal to a 1500W space heater operating at full output for 27 hours. Old(er) furnaces typically operate at 54% - 70% efficiency Newer furnaces operate as high as 93% efficiency. Electric space heaters operate at nearly 100% efficiency, as there is no heat exchanger. At current prices, it costs about $8.10 to produce the same amount of BTUs with electricity (@ .20/kWh) as 1 gal HHO at $5.50/g (no, I'm not showing my math, it's probably a bit off anyway.) So, here's what I'm thinking. If #2 gets rationed, at the very least oil can be conserved using space heaters in key rooms. If the electric heater is used 14 hours a day, and runs a 50% duty cycle, it could cost as little as $2.00/day to keep key rooms comfortable at 72deg while the rest of the house is at 65deg (or lower). The older and less efficient the house furnace is, the greater the savings. If your house is old and drafty, put film over windows and insulate doors, exterior outlets and switches. All combined, the amount of cold air coming in is like leaving a window open in the middle of winter. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
silverado427 10,555 Posted November 13, 2022 $ 3.77 @ Costco today. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
father-of-three 235 Posted November 13, 2022 Yep. $6.99 for diesel in Easton today. Yep. $6.99 for diesel in Easton today. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
45Doll 5,848 Posted November 16, 2022 Good news! Brandon has a plan! Biden’s Proposed Plan To Address Diesel Shortages Could Hike Prices Even Further | The Daily Caller 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
father-of-three 235 Posted November 20, 2022 On 11/13/2022 at 12:09 PM, father-of-three said: Yep. $6.99 for diesel in Easton today. Yep. $6.99 for diesel in Easton today. And it's now down to $6,49 today. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
45Doll 5,848 Posted November 20, 2022 4 hours ago, father-of-three said: And it's now down to $6,49 today. Great! Now I can buy an extra two slices of cranberry sauce for Thanksgiving! OK, /SarcOff/ So noted. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bklynracer 1,259 Posted November 20, 2022 16 minutes ago, 45Doll said: Great! Now I can buy an extra two slices of cranberry sauce for Thanksgiving! Maybe not https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/cranberries-cost-more-thanksgiving-ocean-spray-ceo 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
45Doll 5,848 Posted November 21, 2022 34 minutes ago, Bklynracer said: Maybe not https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/cranberries-cost-more-thanksgiving-ocean-spray-ceo LOL well they've got us on all fronts. Outside Hazleton PA gas mainly at $4.15, diesel at $6.25. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites