45Doll 5,874 Posted June 20, 2022 Any red lines here for anyone? WED: Assembly Dems to Take Your Gun Rights - Association of New Jersey Rifle and Pistol Clubs (anjrpc.org) Mods: Thanks for the move to the correct place. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YankeeSC 1,204 Posted June 20, 2022 Anyone still think that someday you'll get the right to carry in NJ? 1 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
siderman 1,137 Posted June 20, 2022 Any doubts now if NJ will go quietly into the night or go out kicking and screaming should the pending scotus case go favorably? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CAL. .30 M1 2,101 Posted June 20, 2022 32 minutes ago, YankeeSC said: Anyone still think that someday you'll get the right to carry in NJ? Nope - never in 1Million years - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bklynracer 1,263 Posted June 20, 2022 It's a shame this POS is in office, we just needed some of those dead Democrats to vote correctly, or more live Republicans to get off theie asses. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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M1152 713 Posted June 20, 2022 6 hours ago, 45Doll said: Any red lines here for anyone? So currently the topic has 6 replies & 171 views so that begs the question how many of the forum warriors acted in accordance with the simple ANJRPC request to send the email? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marlintag 223 Posted June 20, 2022 5 hours ago, YankeeSC said: Anyone still think that someday you'll get the right to carry in NJ? Is that all you do, come here to taunt us? We get it already! you moved out! If this is the only thing you contribute to the forums do me and others here a favor and stop posting! Besides, what the hell do these bills have to do with a landmark gun case pertaining to conceal carry? These bills died on the senate floor last year and that could very well happen again. Could they pass some or all of these bills? It's possible, we will deal with it when and if it happens. I suspect many of these bills will be modified a few times. 5 hours ago, CAL. .30 M1 said: Nope - never in 1Million years - SO LEAVE! why even post if you don't care and you believe there is no chance? 5 hours ago, siderman said: Any doubts now if NJ will go quietly into the night or go out kicking and screaming should the pending scotus case go favorably? Let's see how broad or narrow the SCOTUS ruling is. SCOTUS may craft a ruling broad enough to deal with many of the attack strategies that NJ may have. Remember NJ can kick and scream but, SCOTUS is still of a higher power. Look at DC they got carry not too long ago didn't they? and that was only from an appeals court... Ye of little faith let's take this one day at a time shall we. 2 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CAL. .30 M1 2,101 Posted June 20, 2022 26 minutes ago, marlintag said: Is that all you do, come here to taunt us? We get it already! you moved out! If this is the only thing you contribute to the forums do me and others here a favor and stop posting! Besides, what the hell do these bills have to do with a landmark gun case pertaining to conceal carry? These bills died on the senate floor last year and that could very well happen again. Could they pass some or all of these bills? It's possible, we will deal with it when and if it happens. I suspect many of these bills will be modified a few times. SO LEAVE! why even post if you don't care and you believe there is no chance? Let's see how broad or narrow the SCOTUS ruling is. SCOTUS may craft a ruling broad enough to deal with many of the attack strategies that NJ may have. Remember NJ can kick and scream but, SCOTUS is still of a higher power. Look at DC they got carry not too long ago didn't they? and that was only from an appeals court... Ye of little faith let's take this one day at a time shall we. 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marlintag 223 Posted June 20, 2022 39 minutes ago, FXDX said: So currently the topic has 6 replies & 171 views so that begs the question how many of the forum warriors acted in accordance with the simple ANJRPC request to send the email? I just sent it and got back 4 responses. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
siderman 1,137 Posted June 21, 2022 1 hour ago, marlintag said: Is that all you do, come here to taunt us? We get it already! you moved out! If this is the only thing you contribute to the forums do me and others here a favor and stop posting! Besides, what the hell do these bills have to do with a landmark gun case pertaining to conceal carry? These bills died on the senate floor last year and that could very well happen again. Could they pass some or all of these bills? It's possible, we will deal with it when and if it happens. I suspect many of these bills will be modified a few times. SO LEAVE! why even post if you don't care and you believe there is no chance? Let's see how broad or narrow the SCOTUS ruling is. SCOTUS may craft a ruling broad enough to deal with many of the attack strategies that NJ may have. Remember NJ can kick and scream but, SCOTUS is still of a higher power. Look at DC they got carry not too long ago didn't they? and that was only from an appeals court... Ye of little faith let's take this one day at a time shall we. I don't care how broad or narrow the scotus ruling may be, these proposals- retreads or not- are a pro active aggressive anti 2A stance, a shot across the bow so to say considering the timing of the forthcoming ruling. Instead of waiting for a ruling NJ decides to announce these hearings and purposely aggravate the 2A community. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FairbanksRusty 64 Posted June 21, 2022 1 hour ago, marlintag said: Let's see how broad or narrow the SCOTUS ruling is. SCOTUS may craft a ruling broad enough to deal with many of the attack strategies that NJ may have. Remember NJ can kick and scream but, SCOTUS is still of a higher power. Look at DC they got carry not too long ago didn't they? and that was only from an appeals court... D.C. has granted but 8000 permits, with 60% of those going to non-residents (mostly commuters from VA & MD) D.C. residents continue to lag behind and wait. 700k+ residents live in D.C. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
father-of-three 243 Posted June 21, 2022 6 hours ago, siderman said: Any doubts now if NJ will go quietly into the night or go out kicking and screaming should the pending scotus case go favorably? I can see the New Jersey government promising to disregard and resist a supreme court decision supporting carry outside the home and promising to prosecute those who carry. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
father-of-three 243 Posted June 21, 2022 1 minute ago, FairbanksRusty said: D.C. has granted but 8000 permits, with 60% of those going to non-residents (mostly commuters from VA & MD) D.C. residents continue to lag behind and wait. 700k+ residents live in D.C. Yes. Calling DC "shall issue" is still a bit of a stretch in my opinion. It's an improvement over New Jersey, but not much. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1LtCAP 4,262 Posted June 21, 2022 "except when in use"". well....if you're carrying your pistol about your home or home property for self defense, then it's in use, now isn't it? 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1LtCAP 4,262 Posted June 21, 2022 i mean....i didn't see anything in that bill saying that we'd be prohibited from carrying about our fixed place of business or our homes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyB 4,323 Posted June 21, 2022 42 minutes ago, father-of-three said: I can see the New Jersey government promising to disregard and resist a supreme court decision supporting carry outside the home and promising to prosecute those who carry. Impossible! They can't simply disregard a supreme court ruling! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
father-of-three 243 Posted June 21, 2022 46 minutes ago, JohnnyB said: Impossible! They can't simply disregard a supreme court ruling! What would be the consequences if they did disregard a Supreme Court ruling and how long would it take for those consequences to be executed? Yes, this is the highest level of the court, but it could be similar to the mayor and city council of Pittsburgh purposefully disregarding state law and intentionally passing unlawful ordinances that were eventually overturned, but it was not a quick process. The answer will likely be to enact what DC was forced to do, but I don't see New Jersey complying that quickly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
raz-0 1,259 Posted June 21, 2022 33 minutes ago, father-of-three said: What would be the consequences if they did disregard a Supreme Court ruling and how long would it take for those consequences to be executed? Yes, this is the highest level of the court, but it could be similar to the mayor and city council of Pittsburgh purposefully disregarding state law and intentionally passing unlawful ordinances that were eventually overturned, but it was not a quick process. The answer will likely be to enact what DC was forced to do, but I don't see New Jersey complying that quickly. There are a number of options, not a lot of them great. Probably the most likely to be unable to be avoided or gamed forever would be a lawsuit for damages. Escalated to the circuit it would leave nj jurisdiction. Then you could go straight to the bank to have assets seized. There is also, technically, a path to the insurrection act, commandeering the national guard, and taking over the situation if a pro 2a president is in charge that wants to make ny or nj eat shit hard. Less hard would be using the rico act against anyone involved with violating the ruling and deprivation of rights. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyB 4,323 Posted June 21, 2022 5 minutes ago, raz-0 said: There are a number of options, not a lot of them great. Probably the most likely to be unable to be avoided or gamed forever would be a lawsuit for damages. Escalated to the circuit it would leave nj jurisdiction. Then you could go straight to the bank to have assets seized. There is also, technically, a path to the insurrection act, commandeering the national guard, and taking over the situation if a pro 2a president is in charge that wants to make ny or nj eat shit hard. Less hard would be using the rico act against anyone involved with violating the ruling and deprivation of rights. In other words..........You don't F@#K with the Supreme Court! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
45Doll 5,874 Posted June 21, 2022 How will NJ's strict gun laws be affected by expected SCOTUS ruling? (njherald.com) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
father-of-three 243 Posted June 21, 2022 9 hours ago, JohnnyB said: In other words..........You don't F@#K with the Supreme Court! I, too, would love to see New Jersey anti gun democrats who proudly, no... arrogantly, wear their feelings on their sleeve for all to see, be ideologically brought to their knees by a conservative Supreme Court Ruling. I think Murphy is a cunning guy who knows he has the majority of the New Jersey government on his side to mold and interpret rulings as he sees fit. As much as I hate saying this, there will likely be a whole new bunch of second amendment workaround tactics if we get a pro 2A ruling. This is the state that has banned plastic bags. Yes, New Jersey government needs to comply with whatever is decided, I just don't see them quietly agreeng. This is a group of people whom I believe are pretty much known for disregarding laws they disagree with. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CMJeepster 2,777 Posted June 21, 2022 33 minutes ago, father-of-three said: I think Murphy is a cunning guy Wow! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CAL. .30 M1 2,101 Posted June 21, 2022 13 hours ago, marlintag said: Is that all you do, come here to taunt us? We get it already! you moved out! If this is the only thing you contribute to the forums do me and others here a favor and stop posting! Besides, what the hell do these bills have to do with a landmark gun case pertaining to conceal carry? These bills died on the senate floor last year and that could SO LEAVE! why even post if you don't care and you believe there is no chance? Ok... Boarding a flight now to Charleston to check out a few things where we are looking before driving to fla..to play with a Mouse... 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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father-of-three 243 Posted June 21, 2022 3 hours ago, CMJeepster said: Wow! I know I disliked it when Trump's quotes were frequently chopped up and purposefully taken out of context. Please quote my entire sentence next time. I'm not quite sure why you had to dig to take me out of context. Sorry, but love him or hate him, he's an smart and cunning guy who has screwed over gun owners including you and me many times. Previous laws, pending bills, and permits not being processed in 2020... these are not accidents by an incompetant fool, even though it may feel good to call him names sometimes. We'll see if a Supreme Court decision slows him down or stops him. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NickySantoro 211 Posted June 21, 2022 Who is going to enforce this gun storage law and still expect to live to see their retirement? Some of us are old men who know the business of killing and are not going to be pushed back one more inch. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YankeeSC 1,204 Posted June 21, 2022 2 hours ago, samiam said: Both states seem to have a few oddball infringements on liberty that are not 2A related. Such as? Can't buy hard alcohol on Sundays for one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1LtCAP 4,262 Posted June 21, 2022 did anyone else note that that article claims over 200 ccw permit approvals and only 6 denials? 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites