Phil 1 Posted January 27, 2023 Essex County - Applied 8/29, Issued 1/24. Start to finish - 4 months & 26 days. No restrictions on which handgun can be carried. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackDaWack 2,894 Posted January 27, 2023 Mine was approved last week with a court order specifically stating only the guns I qualified with including their serial numbers. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PoppaPops 16 Posted January 28, 2023 So someone on the FB posted the following regarding Plainfield NJ: As per my conversation, the pd just had an educational class and you can carry any gun you own and it does not have to be listed on my permit. Todays a good day Call your local PD to see if there are any updates, I definitely would want something in writing first. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oneshot 45 Posted January 28, 2023 4 minutes ago, PoppaPops said: So someone on the FB posted the following regarding Plainfield NJ: As per my conversation, the pd just had an educational class and you can carry any gun you own and it does not have to be listed on my permit. Todays a good day Call your local PD to see if there are any updates, I definitely would want something in writing first. Have all departments gotten the same info? if not it could jam people up.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PoppaPops 16 Posted January 28, 2023 No clue, I just saw this yesterday evening. I’m going to call my PD on Monday and inquire. I personally would only carry what’s on my permit until they can provide something in writing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
High Exposure 5,635 Posted January 28, 2023 18 minutes ago, PoppaPops said: So someone on the FB posted the following regarding Plainfield NJ: As per my conversation, the pd just had an educational class and you can carry any gun you own and it does not have to be listed on my permit. Todays a good day Call your local PD to see if there are any updates, I definitely would want something in writing first. Read the actual legislation. The actual law is the “in writing” you seek. The legislation does not specify what guns you can carry other than to say you have to be the legal owner of the firearm and you have to qualify with A gun - not the gun you intend to carry. Having to qualify with and/or having to specify/list in writing what specific guns you wanted to carry was an extra step that the courts imposed at their will. This goes beyond what the legislation actually states. If your permit was approved by the courts, and the court added stipulations, those stipulations still apply until the courts vacate them or your permit expires. A court order is legal and enforceable until it is officially rescinded by the court. Just because people are currently receiving permits without restriction from their local PDs doesn’t remove the limitations that were imposed on you you when your permit was issued. If your permit was issued by the Courts and it lists specific guns, you are stuck with that until you: • Your permit expires and you renew • You get the court to amend or update the court order • You restart the process at your local PD from the beginning and are granted a permit there 1 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brucin 918 Posted January 28, 2023 39 minutes ago, High Exposure said: Read the actual legislation. The actual law is the “in writing” you seek. The legislation does not specify what guns you can carry other than to say you have to be the legal owner of the firearm and you have to qualify with A gun - not the gun you intend to carry. Having to qualify with and/or having to specify/list in writing what specific guns you wanted to carry was an extra step that the courts imposed at their will. This goes beyond what the legislation actually states. If your permit was approved by the courts, and the court added stipulations, those stipulations still apply until the courts vacate them or your permit expires. A court order is legal and enforceable until it is officially rescinded by the court. Just because people are currently receiving permits without restriction from their local PDs doesn’t remove the limitations that were imposed on you you when your permit was issued. If your permit was issued by the Courts and it lists specific guns, you are stuck with that until you: • Your permit expires and you renew • You get the court to amend or update the court order • You restart the process at your local PD from the beginning and are granted a permit there I totally agree and it sucks bigtime. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wrigs4095 11 Posted January 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, brucin said: I totally agree and it sucks bigtime. I've seen two emails from the Gloucester county Judges clerk that states in light of the recent law changes you are no longer restricted to the gun you qualified with just as long as you are the owner of the handgun your carrying ay the time and thats exactly what i plan to do i should be getting my permit anytime now as it was submitted September 26 to PD Approved and received by the court on 11-14. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PoppaPops 16 Posted January 28, 2023 52 minutes ago, High Exposure said: Read the actual legislation. The actual law is the “in writing” you seek. The legislation does not specify what guns you can carry other than to say you have to be the legal owner of the firearm and you have to qualify with A gun - not the gun you intend to carry. Having to qualify with and/or having to specify/list in writing what specific guns you wanted to carry was an extra step that the courts imposed at their will. This goes beyond what the legislation actually states. If your permit was approved by the courts, and the court added stipulations, those stipulations still apply until the courts vacate them or your permit expires. A court order is legal and enforceable until it is officially rescinded by the court. Just because people are currently receiving permits without restriction from their local PDs doesn’t remove the limitations that were imposed on you you when your permit was issued. If your permit was issued by the Courts and it lists specific guns, you are stuck with that until you: • Your permit expires and you renew • You get the court to amend or update the court order • You restart the process at your local PD from the beginning and are granted a permit there I know I have a snowballs chance in hell, but I'll still reach out to my PD and see if they have anything in place for adding another gun to said permit. The whole situation sucks, but at least I have a permit. I have attempted to reach out to my Judge's law clerk with negative results unfortunately. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vdep217 61 Posted January 28, 2023 56 minutes ago, High Exposure said: Read the actual legislation. The actual law is the “in writing” you seek. The legislation does not specify what guns you can carry other than to say you have to be the legal owner of the firearm and you have to qualify with A gun - not the gun you intend to carry. Having to qualify with and/or having to specify/list in writing what specific guns you wanted to carry was an extra step that the courts imposed at their will. This goes beyond what the legislation actually states. If your permit was approved by the courts, and the court added stipulations, those stipulations still apply until the courts vacate them or your permit expires. A court order is legal and enforceable until it is officially rescinded by the court. Just because people are currently receiving permits without restriction from their local PDs doesn’t remove the limitations that were imposed on you you when your permit was issued. If your permit was issued by the Courts and it lists specific guns, you are stuck with that until you: • Your permit expires and you renew • You get the court to amend or update the court order • You restart the process at your local PD from the beginning and are granted a permit there So my permit has no restrictions box checked. My permit has a list of guns I qualified with but says no where that's all I may carry. I also did not receive a court order Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil 1 Posted January 28, 2023 18 hours ago, Phil said: Essex County - Applied 8/29, Issued 1/24. Start to finish - 4 months & 26 days. No restrictions on which handgun can be carried. A little more context. My local PD either couldn't or wouldn't do the background check until they had every other piece of info. It took 3 months for them to receive the mental health info back from the State. After that they completed my background check and sent the application to the court 2 days before Murphy signed the new legislation. The new legislation takes the court out of the process. With this, the AG issued a statement saying the PD's no longer need to send applications to the court and that the courts should complete what they have on hand within 60 days. However, seems the Essex county judge(s) wanted nothing to do with this and roughly 4 weeks later they returned my application to the PD for them to complete without the courts input. In the end my permit was issued by my local PD with no signature from a judge or even a place indicting where the judge should sign as well as no listing of the handgun I qualified with. When I picked up the permit the detective pointed out that no firearms were listed and that the permit was good for any handgun I owned and carried. This whole process is in a state of flux and county by county confusion and, I believe, it will remain that way as the most recent legislation goes thru restraining orders and litigation. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PoppaPops 16 Posted January 28, 2023 26 minutes ago, Wrigs4095 said: I've seen two emails from the Gloucester county Judges clerk that states in light of the recent law changes you are no longer restricted to the gun you qualified with just as long as you are the owner of the handgun your carrying ay the time and thats exactly what i plan to do i should be getting my permit anytime now as it was submitted September 26 to PD Approved and received by the court on 11-14. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
High Exposure 5,635 Posted January 28, 2023 1 hour ago, Vdep217 said: So my permit has no restrictions box checked. My permit has a list of guns I qualified with but says no where that's all I may carry. I also did not receive a court order I would say anything on your permit should be construed as an order put in place by the authorizing agency - in your case I am assuming the court. I would contact an attorney for further guidance. 1 hour ago, PoppaPops said: IMO - If Judge Silvanio signed my permit, and I am comfortable that Ms. Solano actually works for him and sent ME the email - I would accept this as enough to vacate the order. But, IANAL so take my advice as what you paid for it. Remember the wise words of Sam in Ronin: “Whenever there is any doubt, there is no doubt.” Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ficus 36 Posted January 28, 2023 8 minutes ago, High Exposure said: If Judge Silvanio signed my permit, and I am comfortable that Ms. Solano actually works for him and sent ME the email - I would accept this as enough to vacate the order. That’s my email….. that’s the way I took it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
124gr9mm 857 Posted January 28, 2023 2 hours ago, High Exposure said: I would say anything on your permit should be construed as an order put in place by the authorizing agency - in your case I am assuming the court. I would contact an attorney for further guidance. IMO - If Judge Silvanio signed my permit, and I am comfortable that Ms. Solano actually works for him and sent ME the email - I would accept this as enough to vacate the order. But, IANAL so take my advice as what you paid for it. Remember the wise words of Sam in Ronin: “Whenever there is any doubt, there is no doubt.” I'd view it the same way. I'd print a copy of that email and attach it to the original court order and carry it with me until the permit expires. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PoppaPops 16 Posted January 29, 2023 4 hours ago, 124gr9mm said: I'd view it the same way. I'd print a copy of that email and attach it to the original court order and carry it with me until the permit expires. Definitely the wise thing to do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joeg 3 Posted February 1, 2023 This may be a stupid question, but here goes. Currently there is a TRO on the new laws. Let's say the new laws get shot down and there are no more sensitive places - or fewer and we can carry most anywhere. If I go into a store with my gun and miss a sign that says they're a gun-free zone and someone sees it poking out from under my shirt and the cops are called, what would happen? Am I technically breaking the law or only not abiding by the store's policy? What could the punishment be? Thanks Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
124gr9mm 857 Posted February 1, 2023 38 minutes ago, joeg said: This may be a stupid question, but here goes. Currently there is a TRO on the new laws. Let's say the new laws get shot down and there are no more sensitive places - or fewer and we can carry most anywhere. If I go into a store with my gun and miss a sign that says they're a gun-free zone and someone sees it poking out from under my shirt and the cops are called, what would happen? Am I technically breaking the law or only not abiding by the store's policy? What could the punishment be? Thanks Not a stupid question at all. I'm not a lawyer, but in that scenario you haven't really gone afoul of any gun laws, so you're not an instant felon. You ignored the sign, so the owners will likely be pissed and have you "trespassed" by the police. That means you're no longer allowed in the store and you'd be arrested if you went there again. So that means be aware of the signs on places you go and don't let your gun poke out from under your shirt. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DbleTrouble 8 Posted February 1, 2023 Anybody know the situation in Mercer County? I submitted to local PD December 9th. Detective said he will submit to court within a week since they just did my FID change of address. What are the chances of this going through the Mercer County Court? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr.Stu 1,882 Posted February 1, 2023 12 hours ago, DbleTrouble said: Anybody know the situation in Mercer County? I submitted to local PD December 9th. Detective said he will submit to court within a week since they just did my FID change of address. What are the chances of this going through the Mercer County Court? If it hadn't gone to the court by December 22, 2022, it just needs approval by the PD and they should issue the permit. The courts are not involved since the signing of A4769. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bobby69 3 Posted February 1, 2023 I’m in Mercer county, Hamilton. I put my stuff in before the new rules. The forum helped me with getting in touch with the court to see what was going on. I think it was 2 weeks ago I called & it was being signed by the judge then sent to local PD. That’s the last I’ve heard. When PD gets it they’re supposed to call me to pick up but nothing yet. So don’t want to call & “ Annoy” them so my permit goes missing or whatever ( you know what I mean). Just waiting. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bobby69 3 Posted February 1, 2023 24 minutes ago, Bobby69 said: I’m in Mercer county, Hamilton. I put my stuff in before the new rules. The forum helped me with getting in touch with the court to see what was going on. I think it was 2 weeks ago I called & it was being signed by the judge then sent to local PD. That’s the last I’ve heard. When PD gets it they’re supposed to call me to pick up but nothing yet. So don’t want to call & “ Annoy” them so my permit goes missing or whatever ( you know what I mean). Just waiting. Well as soon as I submitted my post PD called to pick up my permit. On the back about the restrictions 2 boxes are checked. 1 is See below & the other is see court order .Below says “Valid as stated on court order” They gave me the court order which I have to carry. The order states only the gun I qualified with & I have to carry the order with me. Also the only carry where allowed. I read that the carry of the gun you qualified with is not legal meaning I should be allowed to carry any handgun I own but for now I’m not going to bring it up. I’ll wait a while to see how things play out. Seem each county is making their own rules 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Golf battery 1,223 Posted February 1, 2023 Does yours also say for personal proctection only 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
124gr9mm 857 Posted February 1, 2023 1 hour ago, Bobby69 said: They gave me the court order which I have to carry. The order states only the gun I qualified with & I have to carry the order with me. Also the only carry where allowed. I read that the carry of the gun you qualified with is not legal meaning I should be allowed to carry any handgun I own but for now I’m not going to bring it up. I’ll wait a while to see how things play out. Seem each county is making their own rules I'm not a lawyer, but you would be wise to abide by the rules of an order you were given by the court. If you don't agree with the stipulations in the order or if you feel that there is new legislation that renders the stipulation in the order moot, then you should contact the court and get THEM to provide you with an updated order (or a letter indicating the order is rescinded). You can't ignore a court order. 1 5 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bobby69 3 Posted February 1, 2023 5 hours ago, 124gr9mm said: I'm not a lawyer, but you would be wise to abide by the rules of an order you were given by the court. If you don't agree with the stipulations in the order or if you feel that there is new legislation that renders the stipulation in the order moot, then you should contact the court and get THEM to provide you with an updated order (or a letter indicating the order is rescinded). You can't ignore a court order. It was posted on this forum. As I said I’m not doing anything other than the order says. I’m only carrying my gun that’s listed. I’ll bring it up after all the lawsuits are over & the dust settles Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bobby69 3 Posted February 1, 2023 5 hours ago, Golf battery said: Does yours also say for personal proctection only I’m in Mercer county, Hamilton. I put my stuff in before the new rules. The forum helped me with getting in touch with the court to see what was going on. I think it was 2 weeks ago I called & it was being signed by the judge then sent to local PD. That’s the last I’ve heard. When PD gets it they’re supposed to call me to pick up but nothing yet. So don’t want to call & “ Annoy” them so my permit goes missing or whatever ( you know what I mean). Just waiting. it says on the back of permit as per court order for personal protection. So if I see someone being shot at or robbed I’ll just go the other way I guess!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Golf battery 1,223 Posted February 1, 2023 30 minutes ago, Bobby69 said: it says on the back of permit as per court order for personal protection. So if I see someone being shot at or robbed I’ll just go the other way I guess!!!! Read it again. How is protection spelled? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bobby69 3 Posted February 1, 2023 1 hour ago, Bobby69 said: I’m in Mercer county, Hamilton. I put my stuff in before the new rules. The forum helped me with getting in touch with the court to see what was going on. I think it was 2 weeks ago I called & it was being signed by the judge then sent to local PD. That’s the last I’ve heard. When PD gets it they’re supposed to call me to pick up but nothing yet. So don’t want to call & “ Annoy” them so my permit goes missing or whatever ( you know what I mean). Just waiting. it says on the back of permit as per court order for personal protection. So if I see someone being shot at or robbed I’ll just go the other way I guess!!!! Read my permit again??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sorvanetzsorv 1 Posted February 1, 2023 21 hours ago, 124gr9mm said: Not a stupid question at all. I'm not a lawyer, but in that scenario you haven't really gone afoul of any gun laws, so you're not an instant felon. You ignored the sign, so the owners will likely be pissed and have you "trespassed" by the police. That means you're no longer allowed in the store and you'd be arrested if you went there again. So that means be aware of the signs on places you go and don't let your gun poke out from under your shirt. I am not a lawyer either, but my reading of the law is that a person can be charged with a disorderly persons offense (which is punishable in NJ by up to six months in jail, and is essentially a NJ version of misdemeanor) according to NJ 2C:18-3.b(2): https://lis.njleg.state.nj.us/nxt/gateway.dll/statutes/1/2753/2909 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Displaced Texan 11,648 Posted February 1, 2023 Here in Tx, if one were to not see (or ignore?) a sign prohibiting carry, the business may ask you to leave, or to secure your weapon in your vehicle. As long as you do that (with your mea culpas), no harm, no foul. MOST likely that’s the end of it. Should the police be called, and you make a stink about it, you’ll probably get trespassed.. Thats Texas… Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites