124gr9mm 857 Posted August 27, 2022 I'm old enough to remember the 'good old days' in Nj where you could walk into a gun shop and ask to see a gun from behind a display and the clerk would simply nod and hand you the gun. I gritted my teeth when they started asking to see my FID as they referenced some ambiguous 'legislation' that NOBODY had been charged of. I usually have it with me and it's not worth arguing. I experienced the latest evolution in lunacy on a recent trip to a brand new gun shop. To simply handle one of the empty guns behind the glass display you must show your FID and your matching Drivers License. ALSO, you may not dry fire (a Glock in this case) and you must keep the gun over the display case at all times (you can't take a step back to give yourself a little room) while still pointing in a 'safe' direction. So stupid. As NJ is heading towards more 'normalcy' with carry legislation it seems that our gun shops are headed in the OPPOSITE direction and making shit up to inconvenience their customers. End of rant. It was a long week... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diamondd817 823 Posted August 27, 2022 1st off, name the place. 2nd, I wouldn't buy a thing from them until they took the time to actually learn what the laws in this State are. 3rd. If they are going to be this paranoid, they should have never opened a gun shop. I won't set foot inside of RSTP because of their redicoulus policy that you need to show your FID to pick up your already legally owned gun that was in for gunsmithing/warranty work. Fuck them. 2 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scorpio64 5,120 Posted August 27, 2022 Getting IDd depends on two things, the gun shop and who is behind the counter. I have been asked for ID a couple times, but most of the time they don't. I think they do it mostly to discourage the "fondlers" that can't buy because they have no FPID. They are time wasters. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
silverado427 10,555 Posted August 27, 2022 I'm pretty sure I remember K mart having rifles and shotguns. 1 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
W2MC 1,699 Posted August 27, 2022 39 minutes ago, silverado427 said: I'm pretty sure I remember K mart having rifles and shotguns. They did. I bought a few from them. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
W2MC 1,699 Posted August 27, 2022 59 minutes ago, 124gr9mm said: I'm old enough to remember the 'good old days' in Nj where you could walk into a gun shop and ask to see a gun from behind a display and the clerk would simply nod and hand you the gun. I gritted my teeth when they started asking to see my FID as they referenced some ambiguous 'legislation' that NOBODY had been charged of. I usually have it with me and it's not worth arguing. I experienced the latest evolution in lunacy on a recent trip to a brand new gun shop. To simply handle one of the empty guns behind the glass display you must show your FID and your matching Drivers License. ALSO, you may not dry fire (a Glock in this case) and you must keep the gun over the display case at all times (you can't take a step back to give yourself a little room) while still pointing in a 'safe' direction. So stupid. As NJ is heading towards more 'normalcy' with carry legislation it seems that our gun shops are headed in the OPPOSITE direction and making shit up to inconvenience their customers. End of rant. It was a long week... Last time I would shop there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Regular Guy 264 Posted August 27, 2022 39 minutes ago, W2MC said: Last time I would shop there. I know to a lot of people, me included, guns stores are like barber shops. You stick with the one that does it the way you like. The ones that don't do it the way you like, you don't go back. 5 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SJ Guns 36 Posted August 27, 2022 I've never been asked to show an FID To handle a firearm in a gun shop. Must be a North Jersey thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
124gr9mm 857 Posted August 27, 2022 4 minutes ago, SJ Guns said: I've never been asked to show an FID To handle a firearm in a gun shop. Must be a North Jersey thing. Yeah, North Jersey shops have been asking for the FID for a while so I suck it up and deal with it. The addition of DL check, no dry fire, and you can't let the gun move past the countertop was a level of absurdity I wasn't expecting. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CAL. .30 M1 2,101 Posted August 27, 2022 2 hours ago, Scorpio64 said: Getting IDd depends on two things, the gun shop and who is behind the counter. I have been asked for ID a couple times, but most of the time they don't. I think they do it mostly to discourage the "fondlers" that can't buy because they have no FPID. They are time wasters. ^^^^^ this..... having been a pink card holder and non paid employee...( well if you consider lunch and free dibs and surplus that comes in..lol ) I wouldn't hand a gun to anyone unless I saw and FID.... why? Because if they had an FID I was at least assured they had 'some' background in firearms...and weren't some wierd yahoo.... And if you looked like a tool...I just said no.... Its my discretion and not your right.... 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Parker 213 Posted August 27, 2022 2 hours ago, 124gr9mm said: Yeah, North Jersey shops have been asking for the FID for a while so I suck it up and deal with it. The addition of DL check, no dry fire, and you can't let the gun move past the countertop was a level of absurdity I wasn't expecting. Meltzer's, Edelman's, The Sportsman's Den, Navy Arms; all the good shops are gone. 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
124gr9mm 857 Posted August 28, 2022 2 hours ago, Parker said: Meltzer's, Edelman's, The Sportsman's Den, Navy Arms; all the good shops are gone. This one is brand new, so hopefully it's just growing pains... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
15636215 454 Posted August 28, 2022 Worked in a brick and mortar store, pink card holder and keyholder for store, and C&R FFL holder now that retired. If established customer. wanted to see a firearm, No problem. If I never saw a person. FID needed. That would be only requirement. If they could not display FID, No Touchy guns! Lots of wackers out there. 1 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ShootersShooter 120 Posted August 28, 2022 The Ocean County shops I frequent do not ask me anymore, I would expect a place I'm new to would ask, and I have no problem with that. 2 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
15636215 454 Posted August 28, 2022 10 hours ago, Parker said: Meltzer's, Edelman's, The Sportsman's Den, Navy Arms; all the good shops are gone. Forgot Ray's on Rt 22 in springfield. Huge selection of used. Closed in 2008. Bought all my cleaning supplies there 1/2 price. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PK90 3,569 Posted August 28, 2022 I never asked for ID or FPID while dealing in NJ. Dealers are doing themselves a disservice. They're turning away current and future customers, not to mention the negative attitude they're projecting, like this thread. Here in AZ, I'm surprised that a lot of dealers have stopped doing transfers. Anything to get the customer to come in and come back is good for business. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tjs3023 19 Posted August 28, 2022 19 hours ago, silverado427 said: I'm pretty sure I remember K mart having rifles and shotguns. Same. And I remember as a little kid going to Sears in Livingston mall and the rifles were out on display racks for anyone to pick up and fondle. They were just secured to the display with a cable lock. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PK90 3,569 Posted August 28, 2022 2 minutes ago, tjs3023 said: Same. And I remember as a little kid going to Sears in Livingston mall and the rifles were out on display racks for anyone to pick up and fondle. They were just secured to the display with a cable lock. As late as 2010, Cabelas in PA had their long guns on racks with no locks so that you could pick up and fondle anytime. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
15636215 454 Posted August 28, 2022 When I was a kid, my mom worked at Sears in Newark. downstairs was rifle dept with rifles and shotguns. Of course riots hit in 67 and no more Sears, No more guns. Imperiale had a tank rumbling down the streets in North ward!. The Gunstore I worked at opened and shortly after the Breed opened a chapter house across street in Bayville. 1% percenters would come in with their legal to purchase females. Had to be on the watch for straw buys. Hence the FID need to fondle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Parker 213 Posted August 28, 2022 4 hours ago, 15636215 said: Forgot Ray's on Rt 22 in springfield. Huge selection of used. Closed in 2008. Bought all my cleaning supplies there 1/2 price. You are correct sir. Only made a couple trips there because of the distance. The only place around I could walk into a store and find custom 1911 parts from Wilson or Pachmayr. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Parker 213 Posted August 28, 2022 null 10 minutes ago, PK90 said: As late as 2010, Cabelas in PA had their long guns on racks with no locks so that you could pick up and fondle anytime. Many of the LGS's upstate NY are still like this today. This shop is several miles from my house, used guns on the floor can be fondled. The good stuff on the wall you have to ask for. Handguns of course can't be touched by a NJ resident. https://www.yelp.com/biz_photos/a-and-j-arms-bardonia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brucin 918 Posted August 28, 2022 On 8/27/2022 at 3:11 PM, diamondd817 said: I won't set foot inside of RSTP because of their redicoulus policy that you need to show your FID to pick up your already legally owned gun that was in for gunsmithing/warranty work. Fuck them. Same thing happened to me and I was a member at the time. On my way home from a 30 hour shift to boot. My wife went back and picked it up using her NY carry permit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
124gr9mm 857 Posted August 29, 2022 9 hours ago, PK90 said: As late as 2010, Cabelas in PA had their long guns on racks with no locks so that you could pick up and fondle anytime. As recently as 2 weeks ago I was in Cabela's in PA and they had tons of (used) long guns on the floor in racks that you could handle at your leisure. I was VERY close to picking up a cheap O/U shotgun, but it was 20 gauge and I was looking for 12. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PK90 3,569 Posted August 29, 2022 Hmmm. I was under the impression that all guns were inaccessible with trigger locks, like in AZ, since Bass Pro bought them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
124gr9mm 857 Posted August 29, 2022 1 hour ago, PK90 said: Hmmm. I was under the impression that all guns were inaccessible with trigger locks, like in AZ, since Bass Pro bought them. The rifles all had trigger locks, but they were out on the floor in racks for people to handle/inspect at their leisure. Dozens of them. They even had some racks in the side room 'Library' section. Like in this older pic from their store, but not double-stacked. Maybe they went to single stack because people were dropping them: Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
njJoniGuy 2,129 Posted August 29, 2022 6 hours ago, 124gr9mm said: I thought porn was prohibited here? :-) 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
10X 3,278 Posted August 29, 2022 4 minutes ago, njJoniGuy said: I thought porn was prohibited here? :-) I think those models are all over 18. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
njJoniGuy 2,129 Posted August 29, 2022 You're probably right! Silly me !! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grapeshot 301 Posted August 30, 2022 On 8/28/2022 at 8:16 PM, 124gr9mm said: I was VERY close to picking up a cheap O/U shotgun Maybe it's just me, but I have not found any of the used guns at Cabela's (at least in Hamburg) to be "cheap". 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Parker 213 Posted August 30, 2022 3 hours ago, Grapeshot said: Maybe it's just me, but I have not found any of the used guns at Cabela's (at least in Hamburg) to be "cheap". Those prices disappeared a very long time ago with the advent of the internet and being able to reach a much larger audience than one from foot traffic. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites