Variant 16 Posted September 12, 2022 I’m one of those old farts who still has an FID card from 20 years ago when they were more reasonably sized and could just barely fit in a wallet if you cut it down. The new PtC is much larger and won’t fit into any standard wallet. What is your plan? Will you carry a secondary wallet that can fit the PtC (and maybe other firearms paperwork such as insurance card)? Will you fold your PtC to fit it in your current wallet? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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Variant 16 Posted September 12, 2022 No, unfortunately I’m not one of the lucky few who have received a card, so I don’t have the measurements. Personally, I don’t like the idea of having to carry a second wallet or holder because I might forget that one day, and that would be serious trouble if caught without it Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YankeeSC 1,204 Posted September 12, 2022 Maybe y'all can get something like this and wear it around your neck. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Variant 16 Posted September 12, 2022 I remember people talking about their CCW badge on GlockTalk 20 years ago. Never did I think I would ever be able to carry in New Jersey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brucin 923 Posted September 12, 2022 55 minutes ago, samiam said: All my existing permits are credit card sized, I assume Pennsy is the same. Yes the PA permit is a credit card size Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nooch450 41 Posted September 13, 2022 Why does NJ have to screw up everything including the FID and Permit to Carry card physical size? Seriously can they do anything correct!? How idiotic is it that they can't just make them the same size as your driver's license? Why are they asking for passport photos when they don't wind up on the permit? Is there anything even in the law mandating that your must have the permit on you while carrying? Obviously this would be the best practice however say you forgot your wallet at home. I wonder what would happen... 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bennj 215 Posted September 13, 2022 My Florida permit is the credit card type. Even with my FPID trimmed as tight as possible, it still doesn't fit well in my bifold wallet. Makes me wonder if the gnomes in the basement of 125 W. State St. in Trenton just sit around scheming on ways to inconvenience us plebeians who pay their salaries. Either that, or they want to make us more easily identifiable by our man purses we need to carry. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bomber 1,091 Posted September 13, 2022 19 minutes ago, bennj said: Even with my FPID trimmed as tight as possible, it still doesn't fit well in my bifold wallet. My FID doesn't leave the house unless absolutely necessary. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bennj 215 Posted September 13, 2022 Me too, unless in my travels I might pass some gun stores. Always on the hunt for ammo and can't buy in NJ without it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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Mr.Stu 1,916 Posted September 13, 2022 14 hours ago, nooch450 said: Seriously can they do anything correctly!? FIFY 14 hours ago, nooch450 said: Is there anything even in the law mandating that your must have the permit on you while carrying? Obviously this would be the best practice however say you forgot your wallet at home. I wonder what would happen... From the Statutes: 2C:39-2. Presumptions b. Licenses and permits. When the legality of a person's conduct under this chapter depends on his possession of a license or permit or on his having registered with or given notice to a particular person or agency, it shall be presumed that he does not possess such a license or permit or has not registered or given the required notice, until he establishes the contrary. From the Admin Code: § 13:54-2.2 Permit required No person, except as provided in N.J.S.A. 2C:39-6, shall carry, hold or possess a handgun without first having obtained a permit to carry the same in accordance with the provisions of this chapter. Annotations Case Notes N. J.S.A. 2C:39-2b creating presumption of absence of firearm carrying permit unless defendant presents contrary evidence held constitutional as not offensive to due process; presumption rational in view of statutory and regulatory requirement for possession of permit whenever handgun is carried. McCandless v. Beyer, 835 F.2d 58 (3rd Cir. 1987). In prosecution for possession of a handgun without a permit, State did not have burden of offering evidence on the issue of whether defendant had a permit, pursuant to statutory presumption that an accused weapons offender does not possess a requisite license or permit unless he establishes the contrary. State v. Ingram, 98 N.J. 489, 488 A.2d 545 (1985). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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Krdshrk 3,877 Posted September 13, 2022 Just now, samiam said: Someone in administration here should take a serious look into reconfiguring the way quoting works here, including turning off the "feature" that quotes multiple posts until a successful "save" is performed. I don't know about anyone else, but I'm getting pretty tired of reading that "samiam said" something he (I) never said or wrote at all, to wit: " 2 hours ago, samiam said: Is there anything even in the law mandating that your must have the permit on you while carrying? Obviously this would be the best practice however say you forgot your wallet at home. I wonder what would happen..." I never have issues with it - Quote function only takes the most recent quote - doesn't embed previous quotes. Saving posts is actually a benefit - sometimes I have to navigate away and come back and my draft reply is there... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr.Stu 1,916 Posted September 13, 2022 4 minutes ago, samiam said: Someone in administration here should take a serious look into reconfiguring the way quoting works here, including turning off the "feature" that quotes multiple posts until a successful "save" is performed. I don't know about anyone else, but I'm getting pretty tired of reading that "samiam said" something he (I) never said or wrote at all, to wit: " 2 hours ago, samiam said: Is there anything even in the law mandating that your must have the permit on you while carrying? Obviously this would be the best practice however say you forgot your wallet at home. I wonder what would happen..." Sorry, I don't know how it happened and didn't notice the incorrect attribution before I posted it. I have fixed it now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
father-of-three 243 Posted September 13, 2022 19 hours ago, Variant said: I’m one of those old farts who still has an FID card from 20 years ago when they were more reasonably sized and could just barely fit in a wallet if you cut it down. The new PtC is much larger and won’t fit into any standard wallet. What is your plan? Will you carry a secondary wallet that can fit the PtC (and maybe other firearms paperwork such as insurance card)? Will you fold your PtC to fit it in your current wallet? Is it paper like the firearms id card? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nooch450 41 Posted September 13, 2022 It's still not clear to me. So far I understand it as you will be arrested and prosecuted but if you prove you have the permit you will be let off the hook afterwards? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr.Stu 1,916 Posted September 13, 2022 6 minutes ago, nooch450 said: It's still not clear to me. So far I understand it as you will be arrested and prosecuted but if you prove you have the permit you will be let off the hook afterwards? That's pretty much how I read it too. Why wouldn't you carry the permit if it means you can avoid the hassle of being detained? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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nooch450 41 Posted September 13, 2022 58 minutes ago, Mr.Stu said: That's pretty much how I read it too. Why wouldn't you carry the permit if it means you can avoid the hassle of being detained? I would carry it, but I like to fully understand the law. What if you lost or forgot your wallet by accident? Good to know what your potentially dealing with.... 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Variant 16 Posted September 13, 2022 45 minutes ago, nooch450 said: I would carry it, but I like to fully understand the law. What if you lost or forgot your wallet by accident? Good to know what your potentially dealing with.... I would be very worried carrying a firearm without the permit. You might get a cop who believes that you have it and doesn't care. You might get a cop who arrests you and you sit in jail for the weekend.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nooch450 41 Posted September 13, 2022 17 minutes ago, Variant said: I would be very worried carrying a firearm without the permit. You might get a cop who believes that you have it and doesn't care. You might get a cop who arrests you and you sit in jail for the weekend.. The basis of my question was to find out if carrying without the permit on you has the same long term consequences as carrying without the permit at all. Meaning is it unlawful possession or does it get dropped when you show or prove you do have one but just didn't have the permit on you at the time. When I get mine, hopefully sometime soon, I plan to keep it in my wallet at all times next to my NJFID, FL, NH, UT permits. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Variant 16 Posted September 13, 2022 20 minutes ago, nooch450 said: The basis of my question was to find out if carrying without the permit on you has the same long term consequences as carrying without the permit at all. Meaning is it unlawful possession or does it get dropped when you show or prove you do have one but just didn't have the permit on you at the time. When I get mine, hopefully sometime soon, I plan to keep it in my wallet at all times next to my NJFID, FL, NH, UT permits. Even in this terrible state I can’t see them charging you with the same felony charges for carrying a firearm without your PtC card as if you didn’t have the PtC in the first place. But I don’t doubt for a second that you’ll be taking a ride and having an unpleasant night. So if I lost my card, I would be very worried to carry until I got a new one. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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Variant 16 Posted September 13, 2022 12 minutes ago, samiam said: I hope that everyone who applied is planning to make a very good digital copy of their permit as soon as it is issued. From what I've heard about the paper, you might even be able to produce a copy good enough that it is indistingishable from the original (at least, under most circumstances). That way if you did lose your permit, you would at least have a plausible copy to offer until it was replaced. I did that with my FID card, then laminated the official document. Now that I think about it, does an official procedure for replacing a NJ carry permit even exist? I wouldn't put it past this state to take the attitude that if you lose your permit, you are SOL until renewal time. I believe some people who received their PtC have said that they were told if they want to add any new firearms on they could go back to the court to have it added. So I assume if you lose the card you could go to the court the same way to have a new one issued. As far as the card itself, since it’s just a piece of thick paper, I’m thinking we could fold it in half to fit it in our normal wallet. It’s not like there’s a picture or fingerprint or chip inside of it, it’s just ink on paper. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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gleninjersey 2,139 Posted September 13, 2022 Take a picture of it and keep it on your phone. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
silverado427 10,679 Posted September 13, 2022 Keep it in your purse. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gleninjersey 2,139 Posted September 14, 2022 1 hour ago, silverado427 said: Keep it in your purse. It's called a "MURSE"....thank you very much..... 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites