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A4502 2022-2023 The bill: "Establishes sensitive areas in which possession of firearm in prohibited"

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Check out the below link to the bill, no text yet but it didn't take the anti gunners down in Trenton long before deciding that their "sensible gun laws" are no longer good enough since the state is now forced to operate under the US constitution and issue carry permits. (Even tho many counties are still refusing)

This fight is unfortunately far from over...

 https://njleg.state.nj.us/bill-search/2022/A4502

7 minutes ago, nooch450 said:

 

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28 minutes ago, RadioGunner said:

Curious to see who gets exempted. Police of course. Armored car drivers? Campaign donors and other "more equal" people? 

If the restrictions closely reflect what the judges in Ocean County are doing then we know there's definitely a conspiracy between the branches of government to infringe on our right to bear arms.

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2 hours ago, nooch450 said:

If the restrictions closely reflect what the judges in Ocean County are doing then we know there's definitely a conspiracy between the branches of government to infringe on our right to bear arms.

What is ocean county doing now?

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20 hours ago, nooch450 said:

If the restrictions closely reflect what the judges in Ocean County are doing then we know there's definitely a conspiracy between the branches of government to infringe on our right to bear arms.

Conspiracy or collusion. Result is the same. 

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Still no content for the bill. I have heard of passing a bill that has hundreds of pages of minute details to find out what is in it at the federal level. Maybe these NJ bozos seek to "improve" on that by passing a bill that is completely devoid of content to be provided after passage... 

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Wasn't 99% of this covered by Thomas? I don't understand how NY is getting away with what they are and I feel the same about any future infringements from NJ. These are the people who say they "support the second amendment" but easily excuse all infringements as "common sense measures". I absolutely despise those words. There is nothing common sense about any of the (gun) laws in this state. 

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Under the bill, it would be a crime of the fourth degree to possess a firearm in or upon any of the following venues:

  • any part of the buildings or grounds of a health care facility
  • licensed by the Department of Health, including but not limited to a hospital, nursing home, or other similar residential facility or a provider of services for the care, support and treatment of individuals;
  • any part of the buildings or grounds of a building or portion of a building owned, leased, or operated by a government entity including, but not limited to, polling place, courthouses, law enforcement stations and offices;
  • the grounds of a park, recreation facility or area or playground owned or controlled by a State, county, or local government unit;
  • a youth sports events during and immediately preceding and following the event;
  • a publicly owned or leased library or museum;
  • any bar, restaurant where alcohol is served, and any other site or facility where alcohol is sold for consumption on the premises;
  • any site or facility where cannabis is sold for consumption on the premises;
  • any public demonstration, which the bill defines as a procession, gathering, or an assemblage of persons in a public place, where the gathering is in pursuit of a common purpose of demonstrating support for, or opposition to, a person, matter, issue, or thing;
  • any place of public worship; and
  • any public transit vehicle or facility.

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Not a law yet. It's not on the Assembly Judiciary Committee schedule yet. Hopefully some of the language can be changed or amended before it comes up for a vote. The penalties for a permit to carry holder are crazy.

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1 minute ago, TDIguy said:

Under the bill, it would be a crime of the fourth degree to possess a firearm in or upon any of the following venues:

  • any part of the buildings or grounds of a health care facility
  • licensed by the Department of Health, including but not limited to a hospital, nursing home, or other similar residential facility or a provider of services for the care, support and treatment of individuals;
  • any part of the buildings or grounds of a building or portion of a building owned, leased, or operated by a government entity including, but not limited to, polling place, courthouses, law enforcement stations and offices;
  • the grounds of a park, recreation facility or area or playground owned or controlled by a State, county, or local government unit;
  • a youth sports events during and immediately preceding and following the event;
  • a publicly owned or leased library or museum;
  • any bar, restaurant where alcohol is served, and any other site or facility where alcohol is sold for consumption on the premises;
  • any site or facility where cannabis is sold for consumption on the premises;
  • any public demonstration, which the bill defines as a procession, gathering, or an assemblage of persons in a public place, where the gathering is in pursuit of a common purpose of demonstrating support for, or opposition to, a person, matter, issue, or thing;
  • any place of public worship; and
  • any public transit vehicle or facility.

also, it is not in the summary of the bill but in the body it states - any part of the buildings or grounds of a privately or publicly owned and operated entertainment facility within this State, including but not limited to a theater, stadium, museum, arena, racetrack or other place where performances, concerts, exhibits, games, or contests are held

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It's insane and radical on many levels. It even makes private property not owned by the government or town a sensitive location. Most synagogues and churches are private property that can make their own decisions. I also saw NO EXEMPTION for law enforcement in the current bill so, police would be as defenseless as us. Now, we know why many counties (including mine) have not issued a single permit, this is the guidance they are waiting for. This bill will be signed into law before dinner time and then they will start issuing permits...

(correct thread re-post)

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I've deleted the list of sensitive areas I copied from the bill--they were posted while I was still typing.  Note, there are inconsistencies between the body text of the bill, and the summary at the end.  Possession at a public demonstration is apparently prohibited as well, and the entertainment facility restriction is left off of the summary.

 

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Also tucked in there:

"c. Rifles and shotguns. (1) Any person who knowingly has in 
25 his possession any rifle or shotgun without having first obtained a 
26 firearms purchaser identification card in accordance with the 
27 provisions of N.J.S.2C:58-3, is guilty of a crime of the third degree.
28 (2) Unless otherwise permitted by law, any person who 
29 knowingly has in his possession any loaded rifle or shotgun is 
30 guilty of a crime of the third degree."

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Got that fudds and hunters?  Now you're going to have to get one and they're change the rules to get one soon.

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3 minutes ago, CMJeepster said:

Also tucked in there:

"c. Rifles and shotguns. (1) Any person who knowingly has in 
25 his possession any rifle or shotgun without having first obtained a 
26 firearms purchaser identification card in accordance with the 
27 provisions of N.J.S.2C:58-3, is guilty of a crime of the third degree.
28 (2) Unless otherwise permitted by law, any person who 
29 knowingly has in his possession any loaded rifle or shotgun is 
30 guilty of a crime of the third degree."

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Got that fudds and hunters?  Now you're going to have to get one and they're change the rules to get one soon.

That is current law actually. Anything underlined is new.

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47 minutes ago, CMJeepster said:

Also tucked in there:

"c. Rifles and shotguns. (1) Any person who knowingly has in 
25 his possession any rifle or shotgun without having first obtained a 
26 firearms purchaser identification card in accordance with the 
27 provisions of N.J.S.2C:58-3, is guilty of a crime of the third degree.
28 (2) Unless otherwise permitted by law, any person who 
29 knowingly has in his possession any loaded rifle or shotgun is 
30 guilty of a crime of the third degree."

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Got that fudds and hunters?  Now you're going to have to get one and they're change the rules to get one soon.

That’s actually good and is existing law. You can carry an unloaded rifle or shotgun with just a FID

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1 hour ago, marlintag said:

It's insane and radical on many levels. It even makes private property not owned by the government or town a sensitive location. Most synagogues and churches are private property that can make their own decisions. I also saw NO EXEMPTION for law enforcement in the current bill so, police would be as defenseless as us. Now, we know why many counties (including mine) have not issued a single permit, this is the guidance they are waiting for. This bill will be signed into law before dinner time and then they will start issuing permits...

(correct thread re-post)

I’m sure they will exempt police. The unions will make lots of noise to also make sure retirees are exempted too. 

Houses of worship in other states have private security teams because of nut jobs shooting up churches. This bill has no exemption for those. So now it will be open season. 

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