CMJeepster 2,766 Posted September 23, 2022 Supreme Court's gun ruling opens door to next fight: Where can they be carried? (msn.com) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tunaman 538 Posted September 23, 2022 It makes me wanna puke having to listen to that crap on MSN. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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marlintag 223 Posted September 23, 2022 4 minutes ago, samiam said: It seems highly likely to me that the police, courts, and prosecutors have been conspiring to delay the approval process for PtC permits until this crap can be enacted and enforced. I'd very much like to see the 2A advocacy organizations begin investigating that allegation, and, (assuming evidence is uncovered supporting that analysis) proceed to institute litigation on that basis, including against the individuals chiefly responsible for instigating and promoting this conspiracy. NJ That was exactly what I was insinuating with my earlier post. All the "were waiting on guidance" gibberish and the cashing of money orders and not issuing permits was likely done intentionally until they had a way to neuter our carry permits. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kman 56 Posted September 23, 2022 if this bill is gonna pass anyhow (and it likely will), perhaps they can at the very least add to it something that will turn the permitting process into something that doesn't have to go through courts and judges. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nooch450 41 Posted September 23, 2022 3 minutes ago, kman said: if this bill is gonna pass anyhow (and it likely will), perhaps they can at the very least add to it something that will turn the permitting process into something that doesn't have to go through courts and judges. The NJ legislator is more likely going to make the application process more of a pain in the ass.... Although I find a majority of these sensitive places as an infringement, at a minimum I would like to see gun free signs as a requirement in order to enforce these sensitive places. The language in the bill is very broad and open to interpretation. This will lead to people easily accidentally incriminating themselves... At least with a sign requirement there wont be as many questions for gun owners. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
leo-польд 35 Posted September 24, 2022 19 hours ago, TDIguy said: Under the bill, it would be a crime of the fourth degree to possess a firearm in or upon any of the following venues: any part of the buildings or grounds of a health care facility licensed by the Department of Health, including but not limited to a hospital, nursing home, or other similar residential facility or a provider of services for the care, support and treatment of individuals; any part of the buildings or grounds of a building or portion of a building owned, leased, or operated by a government entity including, but not limited to, polling place, courthouses, law enforcement stations and offices; the grounds of a park, recreation facility or area or playground owned or controlled by a State, county, or local government unit; a youth sports events during and immediately preceding and following the event; a publicly owned or leased library or museum; any bar, restaurant where alcohol is served, and any other site or facility where alcohol is sold for consumption on the premises; any site or facility where cannabis is sold for consumption on the premises; any public demonstration, which the bill defines as a procession, gathering, or an assemblage of persons in a public place, where the gathering is in pursuit of a common purpose of demonstrating support for, or opposition to, a person, matter, issue, or thing; any place of public worship; and any public transit vehicle or facility. Doesnt say anything about private cars, it is pritty much resricting a lot however. It will be much simpler to say - you could cary around your house only any other place - you are in jail... But we are in jail already, socialist jail of NJ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lostboy 105 Posted September 24, 2022 There is no way this isn't a conspiracy between Murphy, the AG, Callahan, and judges. We need to get out in front of this clown if he thinks he's going to put a bid in for president. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
father-of-three 235 Posted September 24, 2022 19 hours ago, TDIguy said: Under the bill, it would be a crime of the fourth degree to possess a firearm in or upon any of the following venues: any part of the buildings or grounds of a health care facility licensed by the Department of Health, including but not limited to a hospital, nursing home, or other similar residential facility or a provider of services for the care, support and treatment of individuals; any part of the buildings or grounds of a building or portion of a building owned, leased, or operated by a government entity including, but not limited to, polling place, courthouses, law enforcement stations and offices; the grounds of a park, recreation facility or area or playground owned or controlled by a State, county, or local government unit; a youth sports events during and immediately preceding and following the event; a publicly owned or leased library or museum; any bar, restaurant where alcohol is served, and any other site or facility where alcohol is sold for consumption on the premises; any site or facility where cannabis is sold for consumption on the premises; any public demonstration, which the bill defines as a procession, gathering, or an assemblage of persons in a public place, where the gathering is in pursuit of a common purpose of demonstrating support for, or opposition to, a person, matter, issue, or thing; any place of public worship; and any public transit vehicle or facility. Pretty much what New York did. This isn't much better than the "exemptions" New Jersey originally had....and they know it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
father-of-three 235 Posted September 24, 2022 12 hours ago, kman said: if this bill is gonna pass anyhow (and it likely will), perhaps they can at the very least add to it something that will turn the permitting process into something that doesn't have to go through courts and judges. Sadly, New Jersey has no intention of compromise. They are going to try to keep things as close to their original gun control laws as possible, and they will likely be successful. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lostboy 105 Posted September 24, 2022 Just now, father-of-three said: Sadly, New Jersey has no intention of compromise. They are going to try to keep things as close to their original gun control laws as possible, and they will likely be successful. LeGaL gUn OwNeRs ArEnT tHe PrObLeM wE jUsT nEeD cOmMoN sEnSe GuN lAwS. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nooch450 41 Posted September 24, 2022 NJ and other states are going to have to prove that these "sensitive places" laws have historical president during the time of the founding and the passing of the Second Amendment. Time, History and Tradition is the standard per Bruen. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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siderman 1,134 Posted September 24, 2022 1 hour ago, father-of-three said: Sadly, New Jersey has no intention of compromise. They are going to try to keep things as close to their original gun control laws as possible, and they will likely be successful. Winner! CCW may as well stand for Concealed Car Weapon. Just a little better than the old laws allowing for travel in the car only for range trips. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
revenger 472 Posted September 24, 2022 why will it take 5 to 10 years to get fixed, once signed an immediate lawsuit for injunction should fix it. wonder if Anthony will have it on his podcast tomorrow. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
revenger 472 Posted September 25, 2022 (edited) Nappen talked about this on his recent podcast. I just dont know how this will survive. Im sure the gun groups will file for permanent injunction within 60 seconds of this being signed. The gun groups should be writing that suit right now ready to submit. FPC, SAF, NJRPC , CNJRPC and s on. I have been donating to all since bruen. the time is now to finish them off once and for all Edited September 25, 2022 by revenger ADD WORD 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RadioGunner 218 Posted September 25, 2022 30 minutes ago, revenger said: Nappen talked about this on his recent podcast. I just dont know how this will survive. Im sure the gun groups will file for permanent injunction within 60 seconds of this being signed. The gun groups should be writing that suit right now ready to submit. FPC, SAF, NJRPC , CNJRPC and s on. I have been donating to all since bruen. the time is now to finish them off once and for all It may go down eventually, but the politicians behind this get to beat their chest for a few years while this is tied up in court. And who knows where the supreme court will be by then. They'll also get to show their commitment to gun control to Bloomberg so he can funnel some campaign cash their way. This is the game. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
revenger 472 Posted September 25, 2022 I think Thomas was very clear about sensitive places. This clearly goes 100% against what he said. How could this take years to resolve? Yea, I know NJ and all that but Bruen tops that. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bomber 1,089 Posted September 25, 2022 On 9/23/2022 at 11:43 AM, TDIguy said: Under the bill, it would be a crime of the fourth degree to possess a firearm in or upon any of the following venues: any public demonstration, which the bill defines as a procession, gathering, or an assemblage of persons in a public place, where the gathering is in pursuit of a common purpose of demonstrating support for, or opposition to, a person, matter, issue, or thing So if a Kenosha/BLM (i.e. "demonstrating support for blah, blah, blah") type riot breaks out in your town and you inadvertently end up getting beaten over the head with a skateboard and use, or simply possess, a CCW weapon, then what? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyB 4,289 Posted September 25, 2022 1 hour ago, Bomber said: So if a Kenosha/BLM (i.e. "demonstrating support for blah, blah, blah") type riot breaks out in your town and you inadvertently end up getting beaten over the head with a skateboard and use, or simply possess, a CCW weapon, then what? I would kill the SOB with the skateboard and worry about the other bullshit after I'm sure he's dead! 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
M1152 713 Posted September 26, 2022 https://www.anjrpc.org/general/custom.asp?page=UpdatesFromBachColandroNappen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DAHL 58 Posted October 17, 2022 There are so many "sensitive" places in this bill that you cannot carry anywhere. If your car all public and private places are off limits for CCW that's everywhere. Even roads are public places. Bottom line your CCW permit would be worthless. Any law this restrictive thats passes must and will be challenged. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites