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October 13, 2022. At a press conference today, legislative leaders in the New Jersey state house announced plans to attack and destroy right to carry, in the wake of the U.S. Supreme Court’s recent Bruen decision upholding right to carry and making it impossible for states like New Jersey to continue blocking issuance of carry permits. 

https://www.anjrpc.org/page/LawmakersToDestroyCarryRights

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i've said it before and i'll say it again. the only way to stop madness like this is to pass an amendment that hold lawmakers personally liable for legal fees resulting from laws they sponsor which are ruled unconstitutional. as it stands now, these ppl across the nation (but especially in ny ca and nj) pass any outlandish law they want knowing full well it won't pass scrutiny. they don't care though, because there are no repercussions for them. change that

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38 minutes ago, Indianajonze said:

that doesn't ever work. not ever

It did work. That’s how we got the Bruen decision. Vote for Congressional reps and Senators and a president who will uphold the 2A. President and Senate appoints and confirms federal judges. 

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57 minutes ago, Indianajonze said:

i've said it before and i'll say it again. the only way to stop madness like this is to pass an amendment that hold lawmakers personally liable for legal fees resulting from laws they sponsor which are ruled unconstitutional. as it stands now, these ppl across the nation (but especially in ny ca and nj) pass any outlandish law they want knowing full well it won't pass scrutiny. they don't care though, because there are no repercussions for them. change that

100% agree with this.  Without consequences for their blatantly unconstitutional laws, there is no accountability to the citizens who elect them.  

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NJ proposal would require insurance for carry permits

 
By Tom Knighton | 10:30 AM on October 13, 2022
 
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Following the Bruen decision, a lot of states suddenly found their gun control laws null and void. Since these were anti-gun states, it’s unsurprising that many are trying to find new rules that they believe will conform to the ruling.

 
 

But New Jersey’s latest proposal has serious issues. Why? An insurance requirement, that’s why.

New Jersey residents hoping to carry guns in public would first be required to buy insurance and complete gun-safety training under a measure to be introduced by legislative leaders on Thursday — steps that, if enacted, would represent some of the strictest gun rules in the country.

William J. Castner, an adviser to Gov. Philip D. Murphy on firearms issues, said the legal challenges that the New York law is facing will be instructive as New Jersey finalizes its legislation.

“New Jersey at least now has the benefit of crafting this law with an eye toward defending new requirements on training, mandatory insurance, disqualifying offenses and sensitive places where guns will not be allowed at all,” Mr. Castner said.

One novel element in the proposed legislation is the statewide requirement that gun owners applying for permits to carry weapons in public also purchase liability insurance. In January, San Jose, Calif., will begin requiring all gun owners to carry liability insurance, but no state has mandated insurance as a condition of gun ownership.

The rest of the story:

https://bearingarms.com/tomknighton/2022/10/13/nj-require-insurance-n63258?utm_source=badaily&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=nl&bcid=00ea90fbf351bbfd29c96affd26f2dca49954a466ec9e3e8139f308bd8a1cb93

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1 hour ago, RadioGunner said:

It did work. That’s how we got the Bruen decision. Vote for Congressional reps and Senators and a president who will uphold the 2A. President and Senate appoints and confirms federal judges. 

Won't work in NJ. It took all the pitchforks, tar& feathers the state could muster in what may be the most oppressive Era (covid mandates) and your tyrant gov still got re-elected. And how many legislators got flipped- 1-2 ? The number of pissed off 2A folk pales in comparison vs the entire state. Bruen is already the answer but here you are again with NJ trying to flaunt it. Lather rinse repeat.

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2 minutes ago, siderman said:

Won't work in NJ. It took all the pitchforks, tar& feathers the state could muster in what may be the most oppressive Era (covid mandates) and your tyrant gov still got re-elected. And how many legislators got flipped- 1-2 ? The number of pissed off 2A folk pales in comparison vs the entire state. Bruen is already the answer but here you are again with NJ trying to flaunt it. Lather rinse repeat.

 

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20 minutes ago, siderman said:

Won't work in NJ. It took all the pitchforks, tar& feathers the state could muster in what may be the most oppressive Era (covid mandates) and your tyrant gov still got re-elected. And how many legislators got flipped- 1-2 ? The number of pissed off 2A folk pales in comparison vs the entire state. Bruen is already the answer but here you are again with NJ trying to flaunt it. Lather rinse repeat.

this guy gets it. it doesn't work in nj, it doesn't work in ny, it doesn't work in california, doesnt work in hawaii, on and on. dem states are dem states forever, with VERY few exceptions.

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You have to love how they were fine with the law when only the ruling class was able to obtain conceal carry permits. Now that the average citizen would be able to exercise their rights they are in complete and total panic mode.  I want to see how they do the exemptions for the elites If/when ever signed into law.

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3 minutes ago, H2oVento said:

Can't see this passing. This is beyond constitutional. "cant carry somewhere unless they expressly say it's ok"?? which means, unless a "we welcome guns" sign is there, it's illegal? it's just a way to stop ppl from carrying....again.

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23 minutes ago, FXDX said:

You have to love how they were fine with the law when only the ruling class was able to obtain conceal carry permits. Now that the average citizen would be able to exercise their rights they are in complete and total panic mode.  I want to see how they do the exemptions for the elites If/when ever signed into law.

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Of course it's the dems.....yet they post signs like this (in PA)

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1 hour ago, siderman said:

Stockholm Syndrome.

More like 

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I consider it completely unimportant who in the party will vote, or how; but what is extraordinarily important is this — who will count the votes, and how.

Those that are in charge of the election in large cities dictate the election results for the state. 

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43 minutes ago, Mike77 said:

Of course it's the dems.....yet they post signs like this (in PA)

A little off topic there aren’t we? PA has 2A built into their state Constitution so a Dim sign posted in Philly and $2 will get you a cup of coffee at WaWa

https://foac-pac.org/uploads/FOAC-Constitutions/Constitution of Pennsylvania-1968.pdf
 

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Section 21. Right to bear arms.

The right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the State shall not be questioned

 

 

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3 minutes ago, FXDX said:

A little off topic there aren’t we? PA has 2A built into their state Constitution so a Dim sign posted in Philly and $2 will get you a cup of coffee at WaWa

https://foac-pac.org/uploads/FOAC-Constitutions/Constitution of Pennsylvania-1968.pdf
 

 

The sign statement is the new Dems Slogan.....I have heard it non stop....doesn't matter it's PA.....it's the statement.

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He doesn’t care. He (and the state senate) know that this will be struck down when it’s challenged, but he’s signaling his base that they are for ‘sensible’ gun restrictions. 
 

A court challenge, with enough time and money, will strike this down. 
 

It’s a matter of time and money. 

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"Fees to apply for a carry permit would also go up from $2 to $200."  At current levels (300k applied) that's $30 million a year or $60 million every two years.  They will use this as a war chest to clog up the courts for years with BS laws that we'll be funding!  Disgusting.

So $200 to apply,$50 to get fingerpinted, $100 + dollars to qualify, and probably about another $50 - $75 in assorted fees (notary, passport pics, ammo).  So $400 minimum to apply for the permit.  And then you have to start the renewal process about every 18 months at probably the same costs I'm assuming. Though I'm sure they'll rise.   


How is that not cost prohibitive?  What other Constituional protected rights do you have to pay exorbitant fees to exercise and "renew" every two years??


 

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6 minutes ago, Displaced Texan said:

He doesn’t care. He (and the state senate) know that this will be struck down when it’s challenged, but he’s signaling his base that they are for ‘sensible’ gun restrictions. 
 

A court challenge, with enough time and money, will strike this down. 
 

It’s a matter of time and money. 

That's just it.  Look how long it took to strike down "Justifiable Need" Or "Good Cause"  Decades.  That's what they are counting on.  Tie it up in court over, and over, and over again with blatantly illegal laws or laws that they know will more than likely be struck down.

And now we'll be funding the fight against ourselves!  

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11 minutes ago, gleninjersey said:

And now we'll be funding the fight against ourselves!  

Funny how that works, isn’t it? 
 

And no accountability from the NJ senate or Murphy. 
 

Sounds like another screwing of the good citizens of NJ. 

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