NJ LAWMAKERS ANNOUNCE PLANS TO DESTROY RIGHT TO CARRY

[Spartiati 63]

2 hours ago, DAHL said:

I don't believe that a court date has been set for judge Bumb to rule on the combined cases of Koons vs Reynolds and Siegel vs Platkin but I'll guess that it will later this month. Did anyone see a date? 

Next is TRO for the other sensitive areas contained in Siegel and was just filed with Bumb, may or may not need another hearing for that. After a ruling is made on that a date will be set for injunction hearing.

[Mike77 169]

Any update on siegal platkin? Or if Bumb has it? 

[Displaced Texan 11,731]

1 minute ago, Mike77 said:

Any update on siegal platkin? Or if Bumb has it? 

I was about to ask the same thing…it’s gone quiet lately. 

[kc17 622]

Judge Bumb has it. Last thing I see is the State requested a new date for a Hearing. 

https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/66677439/siegel-v-platkin/?mibextid=Zxz2cZ

 

 

 

[JackDaWack 2,895]

On 1/16/2023 at 3:04 PM, Spartiati said:

Next is TRO for the other sensitive areas contained in Siegel and was just filed with Bumb, may or may not need another hearing for that. After a ruling is made on that a date will be set for injunction hearing.

There will be a hearing, has to be. 

The next set of sensitive places, the state will have to meet the burden of Bumbs ruling in Koons and provide supporting evidence. Bumb can't just rule on the other areas without arguments from the state or plantiffs, and while I'm sure Bumb would prefer written arguments at this point, the states going to demand wasting the courts time.

[DAHL 58]

1 hour ago, JackDaWack said:

There will be a hearing, has to be. 

The next set of sensitive places, the state will have to meet the burden of Bumbs ruling in Koons and provide supporting evidence. Bumb can't just rule on the other areas without arguments from the state or plantiffs, and while I'm sure Bumb would prefer written arguments at this point, the states going to demand wasting the courts time.

Yes I will agree that a hearing will take place in the next few weeks. What I love about this is that the tyrants in the state will need to defend a law that denies vetted, and trained peaceful citizens from exercising their 2nd amendment rights. Point is the state has no defense. They are just there to try and force their prejudiced perverted socialist belief system on you and me.

ALL other states respect the right to keep and bear arms. NY and NJ are the only holdouts but........ in the end they will LOSE..

[ALAN553 27]

13 minutes ago, DAHL said:

Yes I will agree that a hearing will take place in the next few weeks. What I love about this is that the tyrants in the state will need to defend a law that denies vetted, and trained peaceful citizens from exercising their 2nd amendment rights. Point is the state has no defense. They are just there to try and force their prejudiced perverted socialist belief system on you and me.

ALL other states respect the right to keep and bear arms. NY and NJ are the only holdouts but........ in the end they will LOSE..

Maryland too!  

[Displaced Texan 11,731]

37 minutes ago, DAHL said:

ALL other states respect the right to keep and bear arms. NY and NJ are the only holdouts but........ in the end they will LOSE..

Eventually, yes. I think NJ/NY are going down in flames soon. 

[Mike77 169]

Here is a question, why is NJ lucky to get a TRO to allow us to carry, by NY, it keeps getting knocked down? 

[COD 16]

The Siegel TRO hearing is set for Thursday, Jan. 26 at 11:30 am.

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TEXT ORDER The Court will hear oral argument on the pending Motion for a Temporary Restraining Order by the Siegel Plaintiffs on Thursday, January 26, 2023, at 11:30AM. The hearing will take place in Courtroom 3D, Mitchell H. Cohen Courthouse. So Ordered by Judge Renee Marie Bumb on 01/18/2023. (Costigan, Roberta) (Entered: 01/18/2023)

Also there appears to be a new attorney representing NJ. Don't know if Angela Cai will still be in the mix or not. 

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.njd.506026/gov.uscourts.njd.506026.37.0.pdf

and

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.njd.506033/gov.uscourts.njd.506033.43.0.pdf

 

 

[JackDaWack 2,895]

2 hours ago, DAHL said:

Yes I will agree that a hearing will take place in the next few weeks. What I love about this is that the tyrants in the state will need to defend a law that denies vetted, and trained peaceful citizens from exercising their 2nd amendment rights. Point is the state has no defense. They are just there to try and force their prejudiced perverted socialist belief system on you and me.

ALL other states respect the right to keep and bear arms. NY and NJ are the only holdouts but........ in the end they will LOSE..

That's what the demand of a hearing is for... if the "facts" stood up it wouldn't be required. But the state can only make oral arguments to twist their position enough times it might make sense. 

1 hour ago, Mike77 said:

Here is a question, why is NJ lucky to get a TRO to allow us to carry, by NY, it keeps getting knocked down? 

2nd court of appeals is a bunch of douchebags that's why

 

And Alito basically told them so... 

[Xtors 333]

25 minutes ago, COD said:

The Siegel TRO hearing is set for Thursday, Jan. 26 at 11:30 am.

Also there appears to be a new attorney representing NJ. Don't know if Angela Cai will still be in the mix or not. 

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.njd.506026/gov.uscourts.njd.506026.37.0.pdf

and

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.njd.506033/gov.uscourts.njd.506033.43.0.pdf

 

 

How long is the current TRO "good" for?

[COD 16]

2 hours ago, Xtors said:

How long is the current TRO "good" for?

My understanding is that the Koons TRO is good until the preliminary injunction is decided. 

[Moutinas 59]

6 hours ago, Mike77 said:

Here is a question, why is NJ lucky to get a TRO to allow us to carry, by NY, it keeps getting knocked down? 

NY got some very favorable rulings at the district courts but the state went to the court of appeals and they reversed the lower courts order. NJ has a good court of appeals makeup, more Republican appointed judges than Democratic. So once this gets settled in Bumb's court the state will probably appeal and then we'll see who the three panel court is. Illinois got carry because they drew 2 out of 3 good judges.

[Walkinguf61 40]

I’m counting on NJ because of that, that it goes thru justice Alito to get to SCOTUS and NJ went full retard on it 

[JackDaWack 2,895]

11 hours ago, Moutinas said:

NY got some very favorable rulings at the district courts but the state went to the court of appeals and they reversed the lower courts order. NJ has a good court of appeals makeup, more Republican appointed judges than Democratic. So once this gets settled in Bumb's court the state will probably appeal and then we'll see who the three panel court is. Illinois got carry because they drew 2 out of 3 good judges.

Alito basically said the upper courts should let the lowers courts do their jobs first. So I would guess the 3rd Circuit under his purview would decline to do anything until the lower courts case is ruled on. 

This is only a TRO, these cases will have full review for a permanent ruling. No reason upper courts should start meddling with incomplete lower court orders. Once the district court completes its review and rules, the circuits can step in... 

Alito is basically saying, why the hell would SCOTUS step in when the district court hasn't even formally ruled on the issue yet? Which was his way of saying the 2nd district overstepped. 

[Mike77 169]

[ESB 244]

On 1/18/2023 at 12:25 PM, Mike77 said:

Any update on siegal platkin? Or if Bumb has it? 

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[COD 16]

Update on the Siegel TRO hearing:

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TEXT ORDER Due to a change in the Court's calendar, oral argument scheduled for Thursday, January 26, 2023, shall be held at 9:30AM instead of 12:30PM. Kindly mark your calendars. So Ordered by Judge Renee Marie Bumb on 01/20/2023. (Costigan, Roberta) (Entered: 01/20/2023)

 

[COD 16]

NJSP have updated the instructions and application for the PTC.

NJSP Forms

[JohnnyB 4,322]

So now it's $400.00 for the permit?  What bullshit this is!

[Displaced Texan 11,731]

4 minutes ago, JohnnyB said:

So now it's $400.00 for the permit?  What bullshit this is!

Agree. 
 

On the other side of the coin, it adds undue financial burden to those wanting to carry. More fuel to the fire to get this shit struck down. 

[gunforhire 826]

7 minutes ago, JohnnyB said:

So now it's $400.00 for the permit?  What bullshit this is!

$200

 

[sacklunch 22]

7 minutes ago, JohnnyB said:

So now it's $400.00 for the permit?  What bullshit this is!

Money order for $200 if applying direct to NJSP; money orders for $150 + $50 if applying to a municipality.

$200 total

[Displaced Texan 11,731]

Still, $200 is fucking nuts to exercise a constitutional right..

 

 

[Xtors 333]

Anyone notice the following is no longer present on that form?

1. Written proof of ownership and qualification with the handgun(s) you intend on carrying.

   1. Proof of ownership can be a purchase receipt or purchase permit or a notarized letter of ownership listing make, model, and serial number of handgun(s).

 

[EX Carnival man 223]

So we also don't need to print 3 copies front and back any longer?

[Fawkesguy 57]

12 minutes ago, Displaced Texan said:

Still, $200 is fucking nuts to exercise a constitutional right..

 

 

Yes, same with references.

[gunforhire 826]

You all know we have court Thursday to remove all that extra illegal requirements?

[CMJeepster 2,777]

5 minutes ago, EX Carnival man said:

So we also don't need to print 3 copies front and back any longer?

2. One (1) State of New Jersey Applications For Permit To Carry A Handgun, form SP642. Must be double sided and notarized.