NJ LAWMAKERS ANNOUNCE PLANS TO DESTROY RIGHT TO CARRY

[CMJeepster 2,777]

Meanwhile, in Maryland:

Judges skeptical of Maryland’s permit requirement for handguns (msn.com)

[RadioGunner 218]

3 minutes ago, CMJeepster said:

Meanwhile, in Maryland:

Judges skeptical of Maryland’s permit requirement for handguns (msn.com)

 

I believe this is for the HQL which is their FOID/possession permit, not Wear and Carry. 

[DAHL 58]

Just for an update. This Friday March 17th a request for a preliminary injunction of the cancel carry bill will be heard by the court with US district federal Judge Renee  Bumb presiding.  If the gun owners get the PI then its likely that the State of NJ will appeal it to the 3rd circuit court of appeals. I do believe that the forces of freedom and liberty will prevail and that we can continue to legally carry.

The bottom line is that Murphy doesn't trust lawful citizens to carry a pistol, yet he has a large armed security detail all the time. The man is a hypocrite.

[Fawkesguy 57]

I am fairly confident judge Bumb will rip NJ to shreds.  Either way, it will go to the 3rd circuit.  I have far less faith in them than I do in judge Bumb.

 

[Displaced Texan 11,731]

Alito runs 3rd circuit. I’m fairly confident he will do what’s right. 

[b47356 21]

3 hours ago, Displaced Texan said:

Alito runs 3rd circuit.

How do you figure that?

 

[g17owner 137]

45 minutes ago, b47356 said:

How do you figure that?

 

There is a justice in charge of considering emergency appeals and other matters assigned to each circuit. When the NY sensitive places case was sent up to the Supreme Court to ask for emergency action, Sonia Sotomayor was in charge of the 2nd Circuit and she declined to hear the case. 

Alito has 3rd Circuit.

[Spartiati 63]

13 hours ago, g17owner said:

There is a justice in charge of considering emergency appeals and other matters assigned to each circuit. When the NY sensitive places case was sent up to the Supreme Court to ask for emergency action, Sonia Sotomayor was in charge of the 2nd Circuit and she declined to hear the case. 

Alito has 3rd Circuit.

Sotomayor didn't decline to hear the case, she chose to bring it to all 9 justices who then declined to intervene because the second circuit hadn't, and still hasn't, issued an opinion on the matter.

The 3rd circuit would first have to issue an opinion with a stay before Alito and the court would intervene.

[g17owner 137]

48 minutes ago, Spartiati said:

Sotomayor didn't decline to hear the case, she chose to bring it to all 9 justices who then declined to intervene because the second circuit hadn't, and still hasn't, issued an opinion on the matter.

The 3rd circuit would first have to issue an opinion with a stay before Alito and the court would intervene.

Good point.

[ESB 244]

19 hours ago, Fawkesguy said:

I am fairly confident judge Bumb will rip NJ to shreds.  Either way, it will go to the 3rd circuit.  I have far less faith in them than I do in judge Bumb.

 

If the 3rd does not rule in our favor, wouldn't it then go to SCOTUS eventually?  

[Mr.Stu 1,916]

12 minutes ago, ESB said:

If the 3rd does not rule in our favor, wouldn't it then go to SCOTUS eventually?  

It could be that SCOTUS is asked to take it, but they are famous for refusing cert on gun cases. Bruen was an outlier historically.

[b47356 21]

If Bumb gives the PI, and the 3rd circuit overrules it, it just means the case continues in Bumb's court. SCOTUS is not going to get involved in that..

Well, Thomas or Alito might write an entertaining dissent on the failure to grant cert, but that is all..

[g17owner 137]

Dial-in instructions for tomorrow's hearing in front of Judge Bumb are posted on the homepage of my 2A news site: https://www.news2a.com

Great that we can listen in!

[Mr.Stu 1,916]

3 hours ago, g17owner said:

Dial-in instructions for tomorrow's hearing in front of Judge Bumb are posted on the homepage of my 2A news site: https://www.news2a.com.

Great that we can listen in!

You need to take the period off the end of the link.

[g17owner 137]

6 minutes ago, Mr.Stu said:

You need to take the period off the end of the link.

Good catch, thank you! Can't believe I did that :-(

[Moutinas 59]

Would love to hear any judge ask the state to provide the list of crimes committed by all these new permit holders. When they present the blank pieces of paper, “So what’s your rush to overturn the PI?” 

[ESB 244]

Any notes from today?

[DirtyDigz 1,811]

12 hours ago, ESB said:

Any notes from today?

You mean notes from the preliminary injunction hearing?

Thats tomorrow, Fri 3/17 at 10:00 AM

Quote

Sensitive Places Lawsuit

Next Hearing: March 17, 10AM
Dial In: (888) 684-8852
Code: 2234999#

[Mrs. Peel 7,157]

11 hours ago, g17owner said:

Dial-in instructions for tomorrow's hearing in front of Judge Bumb are posted on the homepage of my 2A news site: https://www.news2a.com

Hey... love your site! Bookmarked.  The more gun owners out there promoting the 2A & shooting sports - the better! Well done.

[g17owner 137]

Just now, Mrs. Peel said:

Hey... love your site! Bookmarked.  The more gun owners out there promoting the 2A & shooting sports - the better! Well done.

Thank you very much! We're just getting started. We just had John Petrolino of Bearing Arms publish to the site and we'll have a few interesting guest authors in the near future. Glad you like it!

[Old Glock guy 1,127]

8 hours ago, Mrs. Peel said:

Hey... love your site! Bookmarked.  The more gun owners out there promoting the 2A & shooting sports - the better! Well done.

Ditto.  Just saw this.  Nice work!  I'll definitely keep an eye on your site. 

[g17owner 137]

Im live tweeting and providing updates during the hearing using the hashtag #NJCarryKiller. For those unable to listen in, you might be able to stay up to date by checking in on that hashtag.

 

https://twitter.com/search?q=%23NJCarryKiller...

 

Anyone else planning to tweet stuff out during the hearing, please use that hashtag and maybe we can get a nice feed going.

If there's a lull between 10:30-11 its because I was forced into a meeting 

[CMJeepster 2,777]

Finally, an interesting conference call!!!

[DirtyDigz 1,811]

It appears that the conference call hit its maximum for participants.

If you're unable to listen live, there is a guy "live blogging" the hearing:

https://nitter.lacontrevoie.fr/search?q=%23NJCarryKiller&src=typed_query&f=live

[g17owner 137]

https://twitter.com/search?q=%23NJCarryKiller&src=typed_query&f=live

[Mrs. Peel 7,157]

I had a different call and was unable to jump on the conference call... now I'm locked out but I am following the twitter feed. Observation + question: weeks ago, on one of these threads, I had asked in so many words whether combining these 2 pro-A cases carried any inherent risk --- meaning, would the approaches of the 2 teams necessarily be well-coordinated? 

Now, today...  I'm reading comments from the hearing that Judge Bumb was questioning whether Jensen's legal argument may have inadvertently undermined Schmutter's legal argument. Because I'm not actually "hearing" the convo... for those of you who are either physically there to read the body language -or- at least listening in and catching all the inflections... did that sound like a big problem? Or, did it seem like a minor hiccup that was smoothed over quickly? Appreciate your insights....!

[Fawkesguy 57]

Jensen was all over the place regarding sensitive places.  He was almost making the State's case for them.  Bumb kept trying to shepherd him and get him to clarify, but he seemed terribly unprepared, and very nervous.  He was awful.  

[Mrs. Peel 7,157]

I certainly hate to hear that observation! 

[g17owner 137]

Schmutter stepped in was confident and articulate

[Fawkesguy 57]

It wasn't Schmutter's best appearance, but he certainly did MUCH better than that idiot Jensen.