NJ LAWMAKERS ANNOUNCE PLANS TO DESTROY RIGHT TO CARRY

[1LtCAP 4,262]

Gun Control Frankenstein proposed... All the worst parts have been made into one MONSTROSITY... - YouTube

[father-of-three 243]

1 hour ago, gleninjersey said:

"Fees to apply for a carry permit would also go up from $2 to $200."  At current levels (300k applied) that's $30 million a year or $60 million every two years.  They will use this as a war chest to clog up the courts for years with BS laws that we'll be funding!  Disgusting.

So $200 to apply,$50 to get fingerpinted, $100 + dollars to qualify, and probably about another $50 - $75 in assorted fees (notary, passport pics, ammo).  So $400 minimum to apply for the permit.  And then you have to start the renewal process about every 18 months at probably the same costs I'm assuming. Though I'm sure they'll rise.   

How is that not cost prohibitive?  What other Constituional protected rights do you have to pay exorbitant fees to exercise and "renew" every two years??

 

I agree.  That's a lot for a slightly  less than 2 year license, from what I have seen with approval dates on this site. Not that this would be a fair compromise, but the legislature will never lengthen the lifespan of the license to carry, even though they were OK with a 10 year firearms ID card this year.

[Tunaman 548]

Biggest bunch of Aholes ever elected in NJ.  This state sucks the big one.  I hope crime runs rampant and they cant stop it.  You get what you elect...Aholes.

[father-of-three 243]

Sadly, the legislature is throwing just about everything against the wall to see what sticks.

[Bomber 1,091]

1 hour ago, Tunaman said:

  You get what you elect...

Did they? 

Or, did Murphy and the dems pull a fast one with late night ballot dumps? 

[Bellasdaddy 31]

I am noticing a trend that the stricter and "stronger" their new laws attempt to be, the more likely they will not only be struck down, the other restrictions will fail too.  Many are predicting that magazine capacity restrictions will so o n topple and the permit to purchase scheme may also be abolished. 

[Downtownv 1,774]

New Jersey lawmakers rewrite gun carry law after ruling

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State Senate President Nicholas Scutari introduces new legislation governing the state's handgun carry law Thursday in Trenton. Surrounded by other lawmakers and gun legislation advocates, Scutari said he thinks the proposal, which specifies that guns can't be carried in schools and other places, fits with the Supreme Court's June ruling that expanded carry rights by striking down a New York law.

Michael Catalini, Associated Press

 

 

 

TRENTON — New Jersey lawmakers unveiled new legislation Thursday to rewrite the state’s firearm carry laws after the U.S. Supreme Court ruling in June expanding gun rights.

Democratic Assembly Speaker Craig Coughlin and Senate President Nicholas Scutari, surrounded by other lawmakers and red T-shirt-clad Moms Demand Action supporters, said the new measure will bar permit holders from carrying in schools, polling places, bars, restaurants, theaters, sports arenas, airports, casinos and child care facilities.

It also sets up a new requirement that permit holders carry insurance to protect against accidental discharge, coverage that Scutari said is already available in insurance marketplaces. The bill increases permitting, though the exact amount wasn’t immediately clear. The funds will be put toward compensation for crime victims under the legislation.

The measure also calls for permit holders to undergo gun safety training and would set up a vetting process that requires non-family references to vouch for applicants. It would disqualify applicants with past violations of restraining orders and other “character of temperament” concerns, though just how those issues would be defined wasn’t immediately clear.

The lawmakers said they looked to New York’s recent carry law, though a federal court said recently that parts of the law were unconstitutional.

“I’m a gun owner. I enjoy my guns often, but I enjoyed the right to have those guns and to use them responsibly,” Democratic Assembly member and bill sponsor Joe Danielsen said. “This bill provides zero conflict.”

 

Coughlin said the bill tries to prevent gun tragedies while abiding by the Supreme Court’s decision. Scutari echoed that idea, saying the measure struck a balance that permits “constitutionally allowable gun carrying, but not just anywhere you want it to be.”

The state’s National Rifle Association affiliate said in a statement that the New Jersey proposal too closely resembled New York’s.

“These attacks by New Jersey lawmakers are a big middle finger to the U.S Supreme Court,” said Scott Bach, the director of the Association of New Jersey Rifle and Pistol Clubs. “We look forward to overturning these measures in court and forcing the state to pay our legal fees.”

The high court’s decision struck down a New York law requiring people to demonstrate a particular need for carrying a gun to get a license to carry a gun in a concealed way publicly. New Jersey, California, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts and Rhode Island all had similar laws.

New Jersey lawmakers had acknowledged after the ruling that the state would likely have to update its laws. Thursday’s announcement was an early step in that direction. The bills are expected to get a vote in the Assembly later this month. A timeline in the Senate is not clear, Scutari said.

Democratic Gov. Phil Murphy worked with lawmakers on drafting the legislation and looks forward to signing the bill, spokesperson Alyana Alfaro said in an emailed statement.

 

“By working together, we can take commonsense steps to keep the public safe from gun violence,” she said.

Murphy has been a major backer of tighter gun laws and has signed a number of gun rights restrictions, including legislation authorizing the state attorney general to use public nuisance laws to bring suits against gun makers.

 

 

Driving is Priviledge The 2A is a Right, big difference.

 Also note there is NO firearms insurance available to gun owners in NJ, something the forgot to mention!

[Bellasdaddy 31]

How many of the MADdies are victims of legal gun owners? How many are actually from Nj? Bunch of elitists...

[Mike77 169]

Vetting from non family members? Isnt that already a requirement? Accidental discharge?? No such thing!!! You either discharged or didnt. 

[Displaced Texan 11,731]

34 minutes ago, Bellasdaddy said:

I am noticing a trend that the stricter and "stronger" their new laws attempt to be, the more likely they will not only be struck down, the other restrictions will fail too.  Many are predicting that magazine capacity restrictions will so o n topple and the permit to purchase scheme may also be abolished. 

I think both of them will be abolished, in time. 

[1LtCAP 4,262]

7 hours ago, Bomber said:

Did they? 

Or, did Murphy and the dems pull a fast one with late night ballot dumps? 

B.I.N.G.O

[father-of-three 243]

It is sad that the lawmakers in this state are in a reactive frenzy and will probably pass all of this stuff as a result...because they can.

I am optimistic that at least some of it will get struck down in court, but that takes a while, and they know it.

[Lucky Lefty 112]

Aside from donating money to ANJRPC and the like, what can we do to fight this madness. 

I'm sick and tired of being treated like a criminal even though I've most likely broken fewer laws in my life than these politicians trying to pass such mindless laws.

What can we do? 

[Krdshrk 3,877]

14 hours ago, Mike77 said:

Can't see this passing. This is beyond constitutional. 

You really think they care about the constitution?  They've said it blatantly that they don't.  

[Displaced Texan 11,731]

9 minutes ago, Krdshrk said:

You really think they care about the constitution?  They've said it blatantly that they don't.  

I see it passing, but I don’t see it holding out over a court challenge. 

[CMJeepster 2,777]

18 hours ago, RadioGunner said:

Spank them with your ballot. Try not to let them enjoy it too much.

I do every time, but I live in a blue district that won't change. 

[RadioGunner 218]

Just now, CMJeepster said:

I do every time, but I live in a blue district that won't change. 

Support congressional candidates in other states with donations. Particularly swing districts. 

[DirtyDigz 1,811]

The text of bill A4769:

https://www.njleg.state.nj.us/bill-search/2022/A4769/bill-text?f=A5000&n=4769_I1

A4769 will be heard in committee this Monday 10/17.  Link to listen to proceedings:

https://www.njleg.state.nj.us/live-proceedings/2022-10-17-10:00:00/AJU/Meeting

This affects FID, Pistol Purchase Permits and Permits To Carry.

I haven't exhaustively read the whole thing yet, but "bad" things that are jumping out so far:

- Adds in person interview requirement to FID/Purchase Permit/PTC

- Bans carry in car, even with PTC

- PD's "may require" social media investigations (of course they'll choose to require it)

- Bans open carry, regardless if issued PTC or not

- Extends PTC processing from 60 to 90 days

- PTC application fee increases to $200

- Requires holsters used for carry to have a "retention strap"

[silverado427 10,680]

I wonder why none of these new bills effect criminals.

[Krdshrk 3,877]

Merged the multiple topics into one

 

[Krdshrk 3,877]

1 hour ago, Displaced Texan said:

I see it passing, but I don’t see it holding out over a court challenge. 

Yeah but that means it will be in effect for a while until the courts can overturn it... which means time and money...

[Displaced Texan 11,731]

18 minutes ago, Krdshrk said:

Yeah but that means it will be in effect for a while until the courts can overturn it... which means time and money...

And the state will be using YOUR money against you. 

[M1152 713]

 

MONDAY: ASSEMBLY COMMITTEE  TO CONSIDER BILL THAT WOULD  KILL RIGHT TO CARRY & MORE

Please Keep Contacting  Legislators!

October 14, 2022. On Monday, October 17 at 10:00 a.m., the New Jersey Assembly Judiciary Committee is scheduled to consider A4769 – legislation designed to do an end-run around the U.S. Supreme Court’s ground-breaking Bruen decision and destroy right to carry in the Garden State, among many other things.    https://www.anjrpc.org/general/custom.asp?page=CommitteeToHearAntiCarryBill

 

[DAHL 58]

I reviewed the law and it says that basically you can't carry anywhere in your vehicle or in any public and private place. This is clearly an unconstitutional carry ban and will not hold up in court. All they can do is to ban carry from state and federally owned buildings. This law should be and will be immediately appealed.  Only arrogant socialist  legislators supports legislation that is clearly illegal but we have many of these in our legislature that care nothing about the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

[YankeeSC 1,204]

20 hours ago, siderman said:

your tyrant gov still got re-elected. And how many legislators got flipped- 1-2 ? The number of pissed off 2A folk pales in comparison vs the entire state

Ding ding ding.  The majority of the residents of my former state LOVE what's going on there.  Mask mandates, anti-2A laws, public school indoctrinations ... they can't get enough.

[DirtyDigz 1,811]

From elsewhere:

 

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Holster without strap: 18 months in jail

Carry loaded in car: 18 months

Visit "sensitive" location: 5 years

Forget to inform officer first thing when pulled over: you guessed it 18 months

Oh and conveniently every violation will also strip you of 2a rights country wide under federal law since the punishment is over a year

 

[124gr9mm 859]

I sent an e-mail to all assembly and senate members asking them to NOT consider the bill and strongly oppose it.

I'll ask my wife and kids to do the same.

Not a huge impact, but it's something...

[kc17 622]

4 hours ago, Displaced Texan said:

And the state will be using YOUR money against you. 

For the little bit it is worth, I pointed that out in my email to them. Much of what they want goes against Bruen, will be challenged, and taxpayers will have to foot the bill to defend their unconstitutional law. 

[1LtCAP 4,262]

53 minutes ago, DirtyDigz said:

From elsewhere:

 

 

those are in the bill?

[marlintag 223]

Holsters with straps.......ridiculous.