ATF finalizes rules for Stabilizing Braces

[1LtCAP 4,097]

 

[antimatter 131]

here is the updated webpage from ATF. 

so it looks like you can still just remove it; but it has to be altered like we did to our magazines?  

my head still hurts....  

i am hoping for a hail mary, but i guess i am going to destory the brace. 

What are the compliance options for an individual (non-licensee) in possession of a firearm equipped with a “stabilizing brace,” which is a short-barreled rifle (SBR), after the effective date of the final rule?

 

• Submit through the eForms system an Application to Make and Register a Firearm, ATF Form 1 (e-Form 1) before May 31, 2023.

• Permanently remove or alter the “stabilizing brace” so that it cannot be reattached and thereby removing it from regulation as a “firearm” under the National Firearms Act (NFA).

• Remove the short barrel and attach a 16-inch or longer rifled barrel to the firearm thus removing it from the provisions of the NFA.­

• Turn the firearm into your local ATF office.

• Destroy the firearm.  For more information, view the How to Properly Destroy Firearms information graphic.

Last Reviewed March 23, 2023

 

 

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/what-are-compliance-options-individual-non-licensee-possession-firearm-equipped-

[1LtCAP 4,097]

soo....attaching(permenantly) a brake to bring the length to/above 16" is no longer an option?

 

 

i'm kinda sad to say this....but our president trump encouraging them, then letting them ban bumpstocks was the precedent for this. or at least one of the precedents.

[JackDaWack 2,877]

10 minutes ago, 1LtCAP said:

soo....attaching(permenantly) a brake to bring the length to/above 16" is no longer an option?

 

 

i'm kinda sad to say this....but our president trump encouraging them, then letting them ban bumpstocks was the precedent for this. or at least one of the precedents.

It's says to make the barrel 16" or longer, the FATF has always recognized a pinned and welded brake as part of the barrel. 

[Mr.Stu 1,686]

A brake that makes the barrel over 16" that is pinned and welded becomes part of the barrel. That will suffice. Just pinning it is not sufficient.

[Krdshrk 3,801]

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[leo-польд 35]

So walk to the range with another printouts? Did any range even care about this injunction? I am sure they will ban braces soon...

[Krdshrk 3,801]

20 minutes ago, leo-польд said:

So walk to the range with another printouts? Did any range even care about this injunction? I am sure they will ban braces soon...

[leo-польд 35]

13 minutes ago, Krdshrk said:

 

 

Don't forget that for others you also need printout of nj police 

 

 

[1LtCAP 4,097]

20 hours ago, Krdshrk said:

https://www.firearmspolicy.org/fpc-statement-regarding-membership

 

 

https://www.firearmspolicy.org/join

 

2 hours ago, leo-польд said:

 

Don't forget that for others you also need printout of nj police 

 

 

joined and donated. got that email pictured. not email....screen captured it. but......these guys seem to think this is only members in the 5th circuit?

 

[Krdshrk 3,801]

1 hour ago, 1LtCAP said:

 

joined and donated. got that email pictured. not email....screen captured it. but......these guys seem to think this is only members in the 5th circuit?

 

The judge said it encompassed the FPC and ALL of it's Members and their Relatives... 

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/fifth-circuit-clarifies-that-pistol-brace-injunction-covers-named-plaintiffs-and-all-fpc-members/

For instance, if you’re in Idaho, any test case would have to go thru the Ninth Circuit. Let’s assume the Ninth Circuit disagrees with what we expect Fifth Circuit to do, and upholds the ATF rule. But if you’re an FPC member, and the Fifth Circuit ultimately rules that an injunction issued covers FPC members, no problem: because the Fifth Circuit injunction covers you. The feds are enjoined from prosecuting you.

[Lawnmower2021 394]

Speaking as someone who counts to three at every stop sign...  .... I'm just going to take off my brace and enjoy other guns until this either gets resolved or I get bored enough to get a new upper.

That said, I joined FPC and donated. It can't do harm.

[Displaced Texan 11,179]

[CMJeepster 2,675]

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[45Doll 5,453]

In case you thought Republican House leadership supports us:

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BTW, I received an email this morning confirming my membership in the FPC.

[1LtCAP 4,097]

none of them are for any of us. they are all for themselves, and anyone who believes any differently hasn't been paying any attention.

also, i got my confirmation email too

[JackDaWack 2,877]

wait, so if I have owned a maxim defense brace for a few years now im covered under the injunction? 

[FunGun 18]

So how are you holding your “other” for shooting without the brace?

 

[Krdshrk 3,801]

2 hours ago, FunGun said:

So how are you holding your “other” for shooting without the brace?

Thordsen Customs Buffer Tube Cover + Cheek pad.

[JackDaWack 2,877]

1 hour ago, Krdshrk said:

Thordsen Customs Buffer Tube Cover + Cheek pad.

Looks like some extra surface area the FATF seems to dislike. 

[PK90 3,547]

The guy on that video said you can't shoulder the tube. Why not? I saw nothing in the rule that mentioned that. I am wrong?

[Krdshrk 3,801]

1 hour ago, JackDaWack said:

Looks like some extra surface area the FATF seems to dislike. 

There really isn't.  

[ESB 192]

18 hours ago, Krdshrk said:

There really isn't.  

If that extends past the buffer tube, you're probably going to have to argue that in front of a judge if you get caught.  

 

I'd like to see an UPDATED letter from the ATF from this year saying that the Thordsen Customs Buffer Tube Cover + Cheek pad is still legal and would not be considered a shoulderable stock.  The letter they are still going by is several years old IIRC.  

[1LtCAP 4,097]

what do we think the chances of this getting tossed are? seems to be a lot of injunction action going on

[ESB 192]

37 minutes ago, 1LtCAP said:

what do we think the chances of this getting tossed are? seems to be a lot of injunction action going on

I'd bet money it will get tossed if it gets that high.  Just a matter of if and when.  

[CMJeepster 2,675]

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[JackDaWack 2,877]

On 6/5/2023 at 5:48 PM, 1LtCAP said:

what do we think the chances of this getting tossed are? seems to be a lot of injunction action going on

It's getting tossed, how soon no one knows. With a preliminary injunction out of Texas, it's now going to ping-pong through the court system. 

SCOTUS would ultimately rule the same way they did against the EPA last session, even if most arguments thus far are on other constitutional issues. Seems like the rule has a number of pitfals from regulatory issues, vagueness, and the obvious 2a issues. 

[FunGun 18]

So I guess I can put the brace back on…

[NickySantoro 208]

Good. Love their rules, that way when they change the rules they know where to go to pick them up. Law? When did the ATF worry about that? Trust the ATF? Sure, about as much as I trust gas station vending machine sushi.

 

[Displaced Texan 11,179]

Two things I never trust is the ATF and a fart. They are both in the same category anyway