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http://www.state.nj.us/njsp/about/fire_hollow.html

 

Provided certain conditions are met, a sportsman may transport and use hollow point ammunition. There are no restrictions preventing a sportsman from keeping such ammunition at his home.

 

N.J.S.A 2C:39-3f(1) limits the possession of hollow nose ammunition. However, there is a general exception that allows for the purchase of this ammunition but restricts the possession of it to specified locations. This exception provides that:

 

(2) Nothing is sub section f (1) shall be construed to prevent a person from keeping such ammunition at his dwelling, premises or other land owned or possessed by him, or from carrying such ammunition from the place of purchase to said dwelling or land . . . [N.J.S.A 26:39-3g (2)].

 

Thus a person may purchase this ammunition and keep it within the confines of his property. Sub section f (1) further exempts from the prohibited possession of hollow nose ammunition "persons engaged in activities pursuant to N.J.S.A 2C:39-6f. . . ."

N.J.S.A 26:39-3f. (1).

 

Activities contained in N.J.S.A 26:39-6f. can be broken down as follows:

 

1.A member of a rifle or pistol club organized under rules of the National Board for the Promotion of Rifle Practice and which filed its charter with the State Police;

2.A person engaged in hunting or target practice with a firearm legal for hunting in this State;

3.A person going directly to a target range, and;

4.A person going directly to an authorized place for "practice, match, target, trap or skeet shooting exhibitions."

 

As with other ammunition and firearms, a sportsman would have to comply with the provisions of N.J.S.A 2C:39-6f and g when transporting hollow nose ammunition to a target range. The ammunition should be stored in a closed and fastened container or locked in the trunk of the motor vehicle in which it is being transported. The course of travel should be as direct as possible when going to and leaving from the target range with "only such deviations as are reasonably necessary under the circumstances." N.J.S.A 2C:39-6g.

 

If the sportsman's club member plans to hunt with a rifle and use hollow nose ammunition in a state where this is permitted, he must comply with the provisions of U.S.C.A. 926A and N.J.S.A 2C:39-6(f) and (6)(g), which is consistent with the federal law, in transporting the firearm and ammunition. The firearm should be unloaded and neither the firearm nor the ammunition should be readily accessible from the passenger compartment. If the vehicle does not have a trunk, the firearm and the ammunition should be contained in a locked container other than the glove compartment or the console. 18 U.S.C.A. 926A.

 

In addition, the sportsman should have a valid hunting license in his possession from the state in which he plans to hunt and should be familiar with that state's gun laws. N.J.S.A 2C:39-6(f)(2) requires a person hunting in this State to have a valid hunting license in his possession while traveling to or from the hunting area. Hunting with hollow nose ammunition is permitted in New Jersey. In the case of a New Jersey resident traveling to another state to hunt, it logically would follow that the hunting license would be from the state where the hunter is going. Although the federal statute does not require possession of a hunting license, it does require that the person transporting the firearm be going to a state where possession of that object is lawful. A valid hunting license from that state effectively supplies the proof.

 

These conditions for use and transport of hollow nose ammunition are consistent with the legislative intent to restrict the use of such ammunition to a limited number of people. It is well established that in construing a statute exceptions are to be "strictly but reasonably construed, consistent with the manifest reason and purpose of the law." Service Armament Co. v. Hyland, 70 N.J. 550, 558-559 (1976). The State Supreme Court has "characterized the Gun Control Law as 'highly purposed and conscientiously designed toward preventing criminal and other unfit elements from acquiring firearms while enabling the fit elements of society to obtain them with minimal burdens.'" Id. at 559.

 

- I thought this would be great to share it with the group. Print this out and keep it with you when transporting would be a good call

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The law is not that difficult to understand. The ammo is legal. It is not legal to carry during a crime. It is not legal to carry IN a firearm on the street.

 

Internet lore has probably confused this subject more than anything I know. Usually by people who have never set foot in NJ.

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Also, the LAW about keeping ammo separate from the firearm is total bs. There is no such law. Even the airlines allow it.

 

 

bs as in you think its silly.. or bs and is its not actually a law.. my understanding is in NJ at least it IS a law.. but maybe im wrong?

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No such law exists. The NJSP had wording on their website a few years back stating that both must be separate, which is not true. They have since took it down. Also, they changed what the NJAG guideline said about the mag capacity of shotguns. They reworded it to fit the law. They have since took that down. The guideline conflicts with the law regarding that, but that is for another discussion.

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The whole hollow point fire caught a enw flame when on an episode of the Sopranos, Tony was arrested, and it was specifically a worse crime because of the hollow point bullets. I rmeber the scene where his sister goes to her husband "If you have any hollow points in your guns, you better get rid of them now!"

 

I remember watching that and going WTF, they sell them at Dick's!

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Also, the LAW about keeping ammo separate from the firearm is total bullshit. There is no such law. Even the airlines allow it.

 

 

bullshit as in you think its silly.. or bullshit and is its not actually a law.. my understanding is in NJ at least it IS a law.. but maybe im wrong?

 

I believe that PK90 is referring to having guns and ammo in the same case while transporting, while Damagedworld was thinking separate as in unloaded, no bullets inside the firearms. I might be wrong though, just an observation correct me if I am wrong.

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No such law exists. The NJSP had wording on their website a few years back stating that both must be separate, which is not true. They have since took it down. Also, they changed what the NJAG guideline said about the mag capacity of shotguns. They reworded it to fit the law. They have since took that down. The guideline conflicts with the law regarding that, but that is for another discussion.

 

The problem is that not every NJ LEO is as knowledgeable or as informed (or as interested) as Paul. I would hate to be charged with an offense, and need to hire a lawyer just to have something thrown out of court. There is no judge on the side of the road, the LEO is the law and if he/she is not aware that the 'guideline' has changed, then where are you except up a certain creek without a paddle.

 

Hence, I try to travel with ammo and gun separate.

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If the NJSP was trying to remove the guideline that the firearm and ammunition have to be in separate containers, they weren't very thorough:

 

http://www.state.nj.us/njsp/faq.html#firearms

 

As of 18:20 on 7/14 (emphasis added):

 

Q6.

 

How do you transport firearms?

 

 

A6.

 

 

Firearms shall be carried unloaded and contained in a closed and fastened case, gunbox, securely tied package, or locked in the trunk of the automobile in which it is being transported.

 

Ammunition must be transported in a separate container and locked in the trunk of the automobile in which it is being transported.If the vehicle does not have a compartment separate from the passenger compartment, the firearm must be in a locked container other than the vehicle's glove compartment or console.

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The difference between the law and the AG's guidelines are????

The Law:

2C:39-1w(3) "Assault firearm" means: A semi-automatic shotgun with either a magazine capacity exceeding six rounds, a pistol grip, or a folding stock.

ONE EVIL FEATURE

The NJAG Guideline:

A semi-automatic shotgun that has at least 2 of the following:

1. a folding or telescoping stock;

2. a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;

3. a fixed magazine capacity in excess of 5 rounds; and

4. an ability to accept a detachable magazine.

TWO EVIL FEATURES

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Wow!! They put it back up. AFAIK, there is still no law that says it must be separate, unless it was newly added in with the "FID for ammo" law.

 

 

just got ammo tonight...

 

FID required for handgun ammo.. AND 22 OR 223.. the reasoning being that there is some "handgun" that takes that ammo..

 

i don't know if they knew what they were talking about.. but that was in fact the situation..

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The difference between the law and the AG's guidelines are????

The Law:

2C:39-1w(3) "Assault firearm" means: A semi-automatic shotgun with either a magazine capacity exceeding six rounds, a pistol grip, or a folding stock.

ONE EVIL FEATURE

The NJAG Guideline:

A semi-automatic shotgun that has at least 2 of the following:

1. a folding or telescoping stock;

2. a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;

3. a fixed magazine capacity in excess of 5 rounds; and

4. an ability to accept a detachable magazine.

TWO EVIL FEATURES

 

 

if you recall correctly.. that was actually my FIRST encounter with you.. we actually argued.. as i quoted the TWO evil feature part.. and you introduced me to the ONE evil feature part...

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if you recall correctly.. that was actually my FIRST encounter with you.. we actually argued.. as i quoted the TWO evil feature part.. and you introduced me to the ONE evil feature part...

:oops:

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if you recall correctly.. that was actually my FIRST encounter with you.. we actually argued.. as i quoted the TWO evil feature part.. and you introduced me to the ONE evil feature part...

:oops:

 

 

that STILL confuses me as to how they contradict one another..

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Well, I know the theoretical situation here is that you're in a position where you have to discharge the gun. Though, honestly, if there was any chance for collateral damage (IE bystanders, crowd), I would not even consider drawing.

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So if this "Concealed Carry Reciprocity" rider is passed, and those with Florida Carry licenses can carry here in NJ, we need to pack bullets that will go through our targets and whatever's behind them?? Thanks.... :?
If this DOES look like it's going to pass, i'm buying all of the Federal stock i can, their EFMJ wuill have Booming sales LOL

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those with Florida Carry licenses can carry here in NJ

 

I don't believe that is the case unless you have a FL resident permit and are a FL resident.

 

 

There is only one kind of Florida permit. They do not issue non resident. All of them are just regular plain ol FLorida Permits.

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those with Florida Carry licenses can carry here in NJ

 

I don't believe that is the case unless you have a FL resident permit and are a FL resident.

 

 

There is only one kind of Florida permit. They do not issue non resident. All of them are just regular plain ol FLorida Permits.

 

 

while you are correct.. some states do NOT honor FL permits held by nonresidents....

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The difference between the law and the AG's guidelines are????

 

My point was AG guidelines are not the law, but when the prosecutor is the AG, then how do you fight against it effectively?

 

The AG guidelines are supposed to be the Attorney General's simple interpretation of the law - I see anything but simple interpretations when it comes to firearms.

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