9mm 95grn JSP??? (PIC)

[jermz1987 243]

(NOOB QUESTION)

I went to Cheyenne mtn outfitters today to look at some shotguns. Before I left I saw that they had Federal Ammo for sale for 15.00 a box. So I got one box, but when I looked at it closely it says 95 grain JSP. till now Ive only bought ammo from Brick Armory and its been American eagle 115grn FMJ for 23.00 a box. So is there anything I should know about this ammo? Is it ok for target practice? The 95grn JSP. :?:

 

[mikeyboyeee 66]

$23 a box?

 

OUCH!

[tony357 386]

It is a little light more like a .380 round, may just shoot a little high..

[Malsua 1,422]

You may have cycling issues on guns with heavier springs.

[jermz1987 243]

yeah it will only be used on the cz75b SA. its the only gun I have.

[Malsua 1,422]

I'm not saying it won't work in your gun, but if I recall, that's a new one, right? You may get jams until you've got 500+ down the pipe and everything is loosened up and broken in a bit.

 

edit: It may work just fine too! Just saying, new guns aren't the best place to use light loads.

[Pizza Bob 1,488]

It is a little light more like a .380 round, may just shoot a little high..

Bullets lighter than the standard offerings per caliber, tend to shoot lower, not higher. It has to do with dwell time in the barrel during recoil. Heavier bullets tend to have lower velocities and a higher recoil impulse. Being in the barrel longer results in them exiting the barrel at some point during the arc of recoil, ergo, a higher POI.

 

It may work just fine too! Just saying, new guns aren't the best place to use light loads.

What you said, may not be what you meant. These are most likely not "light loads", these are light bullets. Being hollowpoints and being light in weight per caliber, usually means the maker was going for a small (light) projectile moving at a high velocity, so chances are this particular loading may be pretty intense. Normal bullet weights for 9mm Para range from 115 gr to 124 grs to 147 grs max. If you have a fixed-sight gun it will depend on what bullet weight the manufacturer used to regulate the sights relative to your POI with whatever load you are using.

 

HTH

 

Adios,

 

Pizza Bob

[Pizza Bob 1,488]

Sorry, misread the OP - not JHP's....JSP's. Doesn't change anything, just noted for accuracy's sake.

 

Adios,

 

Pizza Bob

[mikeyboyeee 66]

What's JSP?

[Pizza Bob 1,488]

JSP = Jacketed Soft Point. A copper jacketed bullet with an exposed lead tip.

 

One last point to the OP. Make sure that you have 9x19mm ammo (also known as Luger or Parabellum) and that is what your gun is chambered for. Make sure the box does not say: 9mm Kurz, or 9mm MAK. Those are not the same and should not be used in a 9x19 chambered firearm. 95 gr JSP's are odd for a 9x19 round.

 

9mm Kurz = 9mm short = 9x17 = .380 ACP

9mm MAK = 9mm Makarov = 9x18

 

Are NOT interchangeable with each other or 9x19.

 

Adios,

 

Pizza Bob

[jermz1987 243]

Yeah the box says 9mm Luger. So I guess its ok. I was just a little thrown off because I have never seen a 9mm bullet that's 95grn JSP.

[Maksim 1,504]

95gr sounds about right for a Makarov.

 

I am surprised to see such a light bullet for 9mm Luger.

 

oh well, try it. =)

[mikeyboyeee 66]

Tiny must be busy today or he would be belittling that little old 95g more then he already does 9mm rounds.

[rscalzo 3]

I am surprised to see such a light bullet for 9mm Luger

 

Probably because all you will see on the shop shelves are the 115 to 149 grain. but in the specialty lines such as frangible , light bullets in that area are common.

[coldsolderjoint 84]

I was thinking about buying some so I could load up 9mm for me and .380's for my dad.

[Pizza Bob 1,488]

Did some research. This is an older Federal Hy-Shok round. High velocity, light weight. Just a regular JSP with a skived jacket.

 

The Brits also used 95 gr 9mm for their machine gun fodder, but it was loaded to +P+ velocities.

 

Adios,

 

Pizza Bob

[jermz1987 243]

Did some research. This is an older Federal Hy-Shok round. High velocity, light weight. Just a regular JSP with a skived jacket.

 

The Brits also used 95 gr 9mm for their machine gun fodder, but it was loaded to +P+ velocities.

 

Adios,

 

Pizza Bob

 

interesting. I saw a video on youtube of someone using this round in there sigma, and besides it having a bright flash he seems to like it.

 

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[Chad 3]

Would anyone consider this to be a "dum-dum" round?

[NJ609 22]

I was thinking about buying some so I could load up 9mm for me and .380's for my dad.

 

.380 is the only round I wish I could reload myself. Still way hard to find and $$$$$!

[tbtrout 141]

Would anyone consider this to be a "dum-dum" round?

 

no,the only dum dum will be on the recieving end.

[jermz1987 243]

whats a dum dum round?

[Chad 3]

whats a dum dum round?

 

2C:39-3. Prohibited Weapons and Devices.

 

 

a. Destructive devices. Any person who knowingly has in his possession any destructive device is guilty of a crime of the third degree.

b. Sawed-off shotguns. Any person who knowingly has in his possession any sawed-off shotgun is guilty of a crime of the third degree.

c. Silencers. Any person who knowingly has in his possession any firearm silencer is guilty of a crime of the fourth degree.

d. Defaced firearms. Any person who knowingly has in his possession any firearm which has been defaced, except an antique firearm or an antique handgun, is guilty of a crime of the fourth degree.

e. Certain weapons. Any person who knowingly has in his possession any gravity knife, switchblade knife, dagger, dirk, stiletto, billy, blackjack, metal knuckle, sandclub, slingshot, cestus or similar leather band studded with metal filings or razor blades imbedded in wood, ballistic knife, without any explainable lawful purpose, is guilty of a crime of the fourth degree.

f. Dum-dum or body armor penetrating bullets. (1) Any person, other than a law enforcement officer or persons engaged in activities pursuant to subsection f. of N.J.S.2C:39-6, who knowingly has in his possession any hollow nose or dum-dum bullet, or (2) any person, other than a collector of firearms or ammunition as curios or relics as defined in Title 18, United States Code, section 921 (a) (13) and has in his possession a valid Collector of Curios and Relics License issued by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, who knowingly has in his possession any body armor breaching or penetrating ammunition, which means: (a) ammunition primarily designed for use in a handgun, and (b) which is comprised of a bullet whose core or jacket, if the jacket is thicker than.025 of an inch, is made of tungsten carbide, or hard bronze, or other material which is harder than a rating of 72 or greater on the Rockwell B. Hardness Scale, and © is therefore capable of breaching or penetrating body armor, is guilty of a crime of the fourth degree. For purposes of this section, a collector may possess not more than three examples of each distinctive variation of the ammunition described above. A distinctive variation includes a different head stamp, composition, design, or color.

g. Exceptions. (1) Nothing in subsection a., b., c., d., e., f., j. or k. of this section shall apply to any member of the Armed Forces of the United States or the National Guard, or except as otherwise provided, to any law enforcement officer while actually on duty or traveling to or from an authorized place of duty, provided that his possession of the prohibited weapon or device has been duly authorized under the applicable laws, regulations or military or law enforcement orders. Nothing in subsection h. of this section shall apply to any law enforcement officer who is exempted from the provisions of that subsection by the Attorney General. Nothing in this section shall apply to the possession of any weapon or device by a law enforcement officer who has confiscated, seized or otherwise taken possession of said weapon or device as evidence of the commission of a crime or because he believed it to be possessed illegally by the person from whom it was taken, provided that said law enforcement officer promptly notifies his superiors of his possession of such prohibited weapon or device.

(2) a. Nothing in subsection f. (1) shall be construed to prevent a person from keeping such ammunition at his dwelling, premises or other land owned or possessed by him, or from carrying such ammunition from the place of purchase to said dwelling or land, nor shall subsection f. (1) be construed to prevent any licensed retail or wholesale firearms dealer from possessing such ammunition at its licensed premises, provided that the seller of any such ammunition shall maintain a record of the name, age and place of residence of any purchaser who is not a licensed dealer, together with the date of sale and quantity of ammunition sold.

b. Nothing in subsection f.(1) shall be construed to prevent a designated employee or designated licensed agent for a nuclear power plant under the license of the Nuclear Regulatory Commission from possessing hollow nose ammunition while in the actual performance of his official duties, if the federal licensee certifies that the designated employee or designated licensed agent is assigned to perform site protection, guard, armed response or armed escort duties and is appropriately trained and qualified, as prescribed by federal regulation, to perform those duties.

(3) Nothing in paragraph (2) of subsection f. or in subsection j. shall be construed to prevent any licensed retail or wholesale firearms dealer from possessing that ammunition or large capacity ammunition magazine at its licensed premises for sale or disposition to another licensed dealer, the Armed Forces of the United States or the National Guard, or to a law enforcement agency, provided that the seller maintains a record of any sale or disposition to a law enforcement agency. The record shall include the name of the purchasing agency, together with written authorization of the chief of police or highest ranking official of the agency, the name and rank of the purchasing law enforcement officer, if applicable, and the date, time and amount of ammunition sold or otherwise disposed. A copy of this record shall be forwarded by the seller to the Superintendent of the Division of State Police within 48 hours of the sale or disposition.

(4) Nothing in subsection a. of this section shall be construed to apply to antique cannons as exempted in subsection d. of N.J.S.2C:39-6.

(5) Nothing in subsection c. of this section shall be construed to apply to any person who is specifically identified in a special deer management permit issued by the Division of Fish and Wildlife to utilize a firearm silencer as part of an alternative deer control method implemented in accordance with a special deer management permit issued pursuant to section 4 of P.L.2000, c.46 (C.23:4-42.6), while the person is in the actual performance of the permitted alternative deer control method and while going to and from the place where the permitted alternative deer control method is being utilized. This exception shall not, however, otherwise apply to any person to authorize the purchase or possession of a firearm silencer.

h. Stun guns. Any person who knowingly has in his possession any stun gun is guilty of a crime of the fourth degree.

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j. Any person who knowingly has in his possession a large capacity ammunition magazine is guilty of a crime of the fourth degree unless the person has registered an assault firearm pursuant to section 11 of P.L.1990, c.32 (C.2C:58-12) and the magazine is maintained and used in connection with participation in competitive shooting matches sanctioned by the Director of Civilian Marksmanship of the United States Department of the Army.

k. Handcuffs. Any person who knowingly has in his possession handcuffs as defined in P.L.1991, c.437 (C.2C:39-9.2), under circumstances not manifestly appropriate for such lawful uses as handcuffs may have, is guilty of a disorderly persons offense. A law enforcement officer shall confiscate handcuffs possessed in violation of the law.

Amended 1979, c.179, s.2; 1983, c.58, s.1; 1983, c.479, s.2; 1985, c.360, s.2; 1987, c.228, s.2; 1989, c.11; 1990, c.32, s.10; 1991, c.437, s.1; 1999, c.233, s.2; 2000, c.46, s.5; 2003, c.168, s.1.

 

As I understand the law, dum dum ammo is hollow point ammunition OR any frangible ammunition, OR ANY ammunition designed to expand upon impact.

 

Oh, and for the skeptics who believe no one is ever charged with this...(please excuse my airbrushing techniques, they are not up to par with others on here)...

[Wolfy 51]

dum dum was a fabricated word made up by the media.

[Chad 3]

But the word was printed and specifically named in a NJ statute.

[rscalzo 3]

Oh, and for the skeptics who believe no one is ever charged with this...(

 

What gave you the impression that no one was ever charged with that statute? It is commonly used in conjunction with other charges. In this case the possession of the weapon. In reality, the charges were merged so he served no time for the offense.

 

1. An expanding bullet design originally developed by the British military units stationed at the Dum Dum Arsenal in India. In order to compensate for the issuance of smaller caliber, jacketed ammunition, the soldiers began cutting the jackets off at the nose in order to assist in terminal expansion; 2. A slang term used to refer to any type of soft-nose or hollow point bullet.

 

Frangible does not fit this definition as it doesn't expand but simply disintegrates for the most part with very little penetration.

[Chad 3]

I don't remember where it was or who on this forum was negating the fact that people actually do get charged with that. I'll try and find it...it was quite a while ago.

[GRIZ 3,369]

dum dum was a fabricated word made up by the media.

 

Not so. The term comes fron the Dum Dum Arsenal in India near calcutta where the British did research on expanding bullets (hollow points and soft points) in the late 1800s. Dum dum became a term applied to any expanding bullet.

 

The 95 jsp in 9mm parabellum is not a new idea. In the 70s several manufacturers put out lightweight bullets when the big manufacturers starting making hollow point handgun ammo after seeing the success of Super Vel in the 60s. There seemed a race to see who could develop the most expanding bullet. I remember trying RP 95 gr JHP 38 special. IIRC this load became the #1 stopper in the FBI "computer man" ammo tests beating 357s and 45s. Super Vel made a 90 JHP I recall. Super Vel was getting all the big LE contracts and RP, WW, Federal, and others all wanted a piece of the action. Super Vel couldn't compete with the big boys and went out of business.

 

The lightweight (90-100 grain) expanding bullets expanded well but lack penetration. It took a few more years for some to realize you needed a balance of penetration and expansion to get a reliable SD round.

 

The possession of hollow points in NJ is an add on charge. I can remember when police would arrest some drug dealer who had ditched his gun and dope and only had the ammo in his possession. Arrests for "hollow points" only were stopped.

[rscalzo 3]

Super Vel

 

Not you are really dating yourself... I bet few remember those rounds. i actually used them for a while.

[Wolfy 51]

GRIZ sorry. Thanks for enlightening me thats why I love this place.

[GRIZ 3,369]

Not you are really dating yourself... I bet few remember those rounds. i actually used them for a while.

 

I used them too. The first time I ever saw Super Vel was at LZ Dottie in Vietnam (that's where LT Calley operated from). A new lieutenant had a S&W Model 19 and a few boxes of Super Vel.