A Glock in Haiti

[bulpup 98]

I am on a long list to help out in small aircraft transporting goods to Haiti.

 

'tween you, me and the lamp... I'd consider packing. Any advice?

[Chad 3]

I'd consider not. It can surely turn your good samaritan trip into a Hatian prison trip. Just my .02

[coldsolderjoint 84]

I'd bring it if I could legally. Otherwise.. I agree with Chad.

[Chad 3]

Oh by all means, if its legal I would absolutely carry a firearm. I guess you'll need to do some research to figure out if it is or not.

[jermz1987 243]

Do the research, I think the last place you want to end up is in a jail in Haiti. :romance-ballandchain:

[Chad 3]

Ya, I've seen photos of the devastation in Haiti, from what I understand it was not much better before the quake. I can't begin to fathom what their prison system is like.

[mikeyboyeee 66]

I don't think they have any prisons left in Haiti.

[tony357 386]

the prisons ca lapsed and the prisoners were turned free. It was a get out of jail free quake..

[PK90 3,570]

Buy one on the "Black Market" there. That way you never break any US or Customs Laws. Just get rid of it before you return.

[NJ609 22]

With how much of a disaster it is there I can't say I would feel safe without my XD40 and two extra magazines strapped to my hip. So sad for those people, it's like the world ended.

[djg0770 481]

Did you watch the season of Prison Break when they were in the Mexican 'Prison'?? Yeah - like that.

[Dewhitewolf 8]

Let's say you bring it and carry it there, but you don't get caught. But, what if you face a situation where you have to defend yourself (the whole point of carrying). Are you willing to face consequences of defending yourself for shooting, while simultaneously facing whatever violations for carrying a weapon in the first place?

[Malsua 1,422]

Let's say you bring it and carry it there, but you don't get caught. But, what if you face a situation where you have to defend yourself (the whole point of carrying). Are you willing to face consequences of defending yourself for shooting, while simultaneously facing whatever violations for carrying a weapon in the first place?

 

Echo that.

 

I would only carry under the auspices of the agency that had me there in the first place. If it's dangerous, bail. Delivering aid isn't worth dying for.

[mikeyboyeee 66]

Buddy from work's brother just went over there as he is a pilot for a BIG firm.

 

I saw the pics and the airport certainly likes fine and you will have no trouble just flying in and out of airport.

 

beyond the airport, I would want to carry.

[coldsolderjoint 84]

Buddy from work's brother just went over there as he is a pilot for a BIG firm.

 

I saw the pics and the airport certainly likes fine and you will have no trouble just flying in and out of airport.

 

beyond the airport, I would want to carry.

 

When the Marines are armed with locked and loaded M4's and are driving really fast like they do in Iraq.. it's long past time to get out of dodge.

[DevsAdvocate 112]

Let's say you bring it and carry it there, but you don't get caught. But, what if you face a situation where you have to defend yourself (the whole point of carrying). Are you willing to face consequences of defending yourself for shooting, while simultaneously facing whatever violations for carrying a weapon in the first place?

 

Don't we say that thing here... "better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6"?

[PK90 3,570]

Are you willing to face consequences of defending yourself for shooting, while simultaneously facing whatever violations for carrying a weapon in the first place?

Yes, because it would have saved my life.

[mikeyboyeee 66]

Let's say you bring it and carry it there, but you don't get caught. But, what if you face a situation where you have to defend yourself (the whole point of carrying). Are you willing to face consequences of defending yourself for shooting, while simultaneously facing whatever violations for carrying a weapon in the first place?

 

Don't we say that thing here... "better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6"?

 

I hear ya, but I would rather be judged by 6 here, then the animals over there.

[axeman_g 128]

I am going next week also. I work for DHS, FEMA. This is what I was told.

 

Do NOT carry there. Do NOT bring it there. You will not need it. What you would need to worry about is not if a Haitian sees it, they wont even think twice because they will just think you USAF, USN etc etc. They wil not know any better. You should be worried if US Stater or USAID rep sees it. You will then do some fed time somewhere unpleasant, cold and rainy.

 

There are 3K Marines + 10K other US Forces there, most of which are based or working in an around the airport. It is pretty safe there. Even PAP is safe now, although some of the outer PAP and the port areas where assistance has been bogged down are still "unruly" at times.

 

If you are flying into the smaller airports outside PAP, there are no worries at all, devastation did not reach outside PAP proper. I know some relief agencies are flying into and out of Cap Haitien and Port-de-Paix and trucking goods south. Or Jacmel to the south... that is where I will be flying into and convoying up to PAP. Only large AID shipments and equipment are getting into PAP now.

 

If you have google earth there are some great aerial shots you can get of Haiti showing the devastation.

[bulpup 98]

I am going next week also. I work for DHS, FEMA. This is what I was told.

 

Do NOT carry there. Do NOT bring it there. You will not need it. What you would need to worry about is not if a Haitian sees it, they wont even think twice because they will just think you USAF, USN etc etc. They wil not know any better. You should be worried if US Stater or USAID rep sees it. You will then do some fed time somewhere unpleasant, cold and rainy.

 

There are 3K Marines + 10K other US Forces there, most of which are based or working in an around the airport. It is pretty safe there. Even PAP is safe now, although some of the outer PAP and the port areas where assistance has been bogged down are still "unruly" at times.

 

If you are flying into the smaller airports outside PAP, there are no worries at all, devastation did not reach outside PAP proper. I know some relief agencies are flying into and out of Cap Haitien and Port-de-Paix and trucking goods south. Or Jacmel to the south... that is where I will be flying into and convoying up to PAP. Only large AID shipments and equipment are getting into PAP now.

 

 

That's great info. It seemed I might be going with an organization that is using small single engine planes to Port-de-Paix but it might not happen. Those people are too busy doing the job than to answer an email. Sometimes all we can do is send money, even if we are willing to run out and dig.

[Springfield1911 22]

From what I understand and heard on the news, those M4 the marines are carrying arent loaded. They were told to carry their guns but don't bring any bullets.

[coldsolderjoint 84]

From what I understand and heard on the news, those M4 the marines are carrying arent loaded. They were told to carry their guns but don't bring any bullets.

 

What the hell good is that? might as well just carry baseball bats

[Chad 3]

From what I understand and heard on the news, those M4 the marines are carrying arent loaded. They were told to carry their guns but don't bring any bullets.

 

What the hell good is that? might as well just carry baseball bats

 

IF there is any truth to that, it sure sounds like it has Obama's name all over it. :roll:

[mikeyboyeee 66]

From what I understand and heard on the news, those M4 the marines are carrying arent loaded. They were told to carry their guns but don't bring any bullets.

 

I HIGHLY doubt that!

[axeman_g 128]

"From what I understand and heard on the news, those M4 the marines are carrying arent loaded. They were told to carry their guns but don't bring any bullets."

 

Totally False. Not even worth commenting on.

[GRIZ 3,369]

I know some Federal LEOs who went to Haiti after Hurricane Andrew. They took whatever gun they were qualified with and can see no reason why the Marines would be walking around there now with no ammo.

 

If you take the gun with you, you stand to take a chance of a variety of charges for exporting it and bringing it back. Haiti has been used as a transhipment point for drugs for some time and I guarantee you and the aircraft will be subjected to a thorough Customs exam when you return.

 

Don't take a gun there are too many ways you can get caught and get in trobule even if you don't use it.

[coldsolderjoint 84]

"From what I understand and heard on the news, those M4 the marines are carrying arent loaded. They were told to carry their guns but don't bring any bullets."

 

Totally False. Not even worth commenting on.

 

I know my father said in the 70's while he was in the service, depending on the position, at guard duty, they were told to have their 1911's without a round in the chamber.

 

But I'm sure things have changed drastically.

[mikeyboyeee 66]

"From what I understand and heard on the news, those M4 the marines are carrying arent loaded. They were told to carry their guns but don't bring any bullets."

 

Totally False. Not even worth commenting on.

 

I know my father said in the 70's while he was in the service, depending on the position, at guard duty, they were told to have their 1911's without a round in the chamber.

 

But I'm sure things have changed drastically.

 

Big difference between no ammo and no round in chamber

[Caine 147]

From some of the news videos i've seen, it looks like they're walking around with no mags in the guns. I would like to assume that they at least have full magazines in the pouches tho...

 

If it was going down there I'd at the very minimum bring a couple knives assuming you're checking in luggage or something.

[bulpup 98]

In Iraq we walked with a mag on the buttstock on the FOB. I think they gave us a Spec-Ops brand sling with it built in but very similar to this

 

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