Citizens Approaching AZ (Mexican) Border

[GoNRA 12]

A Group of citizens dressed in camo, with tac gear, and AR style weapons are approaching the AZ Mexican border according to Fox News.

[Ray Ray 3,566]

I just saw this on O'Reilly, I'm booking my flight now!

[tony357 386]

cool, citizens need to stand up..

[Guest]

http://azstarnet.com/news/local/border/ ... 88ade.html

 

:shock:

[Caine 147]

Wait.. so the choice is illegals or neo-nazis? :roll:

[GoNRA 12]

http://azstarnet.com/news/local/border/article_71c24269-b1cb-547b-b8f3-03ef26a88ade.html

 

:shock:

 

If this breaks out into an all out war, we should get together and head down there.

 

Obama is a fool for holding boarder security hostage and this will blow up in his face, especially when U.S. citizens start turning up shot on the boarder. This just goes to show you his arrogance and his lack of safety, and respect, for the American people in general. When a government lets things get to the extreme to where the people must defend themselves from an invasion, I think it's time for this paticular government to hit the road and for a new freedom loving government to take control.

 

This government is a disgrace to this country and should not be allowed to operate in this country. How things will work out, we'll see, but this could blow up into something big.

 

Once the people see that nothing was done, when something could have been done, all hell is going to break out, especially with U.S. citizens coming back from the boarder in body bags. Big mistake on their part.

 

Remember your 3 b's as Trout would say.

[GoNRA 12]

Wait.. so the choice is illegals or neo-nazis? :roll:

 

 

you mean undocumented hard working citizens OR white supremicist neo-nazi racist tea baggers

[GoNRA 12]

Ready specifically invites militias, motorcycle clubs, National Guard, constitutional groups and the National Socialist Movement. The NSM is one of the largest neo-Nazi hate groups in the country with 61 chapters in 35 states, according to the Southern Poverty Law Center.

 

Reached by phone, Ready said he's a member of the group but said it's not a neo-Nazi hate group. Asked to describe it, he said it's a national socialism group. He said the Southern Poverty Law Center is among a group of organizations that is out to destroy America.

[Caine 147]

Wait.. so the choice is illegals or neo-nazis? :roll:

 

you mean undocumented hard working citizens OR white supremicist neo-nazi racist tea baggers

I'm guessing you're trying to be cute.. but the humor is escaping me. Maybe I'll get it in the morning after a good night's sleep.

[GoNRA 12]

Wait.. so the choice is illegals or neo-nazis? :roll:

 

you mean undocumented hard working citizens OR white supremicist neo-nazi racist tea baggers

I'm guessing you're trying to be cute.. but the humor is escaping me. Maybe I'll get it in the morning after a good night's sleep.

 

All that was meant to say is that, the writer of the article could be siding with the southern poverty law center, therefore insinuating they are neo-nazi's. Just like tea party people are racists.

[GoNRA 12]

n/m didn't realize your rolling eyes at the end :oops:

[Caine 147]

I should really know better than to even take part in this "conversation"... but, there is no insinuating. J.T. Ready and NSM are neo-nazis. I don't need SPLC to tell me that. A 30 second google search can tell me that.

 

I was rolling my eyes at the idea that suddenly it's ok to support neo-nazis simply because they found a way to make themselves newsworthy. It's as$holes like them that give people the impression that the tea party movement is racist. I'm all for securing the borders, but the enemy of my enemy is NOT my friend in this case.

 

Anyway, I'm done. I'm going back to my policy of not posting in threads like this.

[Guest]

Wait.. so the choice is illegals or neo-nazis? :roll:

 

 

while you may strongly disagree with the message.. I would assume you believe in the rights of Americans to believe freely in things even if they are non mainstream.. you may disagree.. and i get that..but at the end of the day people.. citizens.. who are legally here.. have every right to THINK and TALK about what they think.. no.. they do not have the right to attack people.. or cause damage.. but they should be free to think what they think.. just as i should be free to own firearms.. with all that said.. at least they are getting involved and defending the nation when the corrupt fed won't.....

[sirsloop 1]

I can't say I blame them for taking up arms. We have forgotten, but it wasn't too long ago this was par for the course! :roll:

[tbtrout 141]

I have such mixed feelings on this. I agree with the right to self protection/preservation especially because the Feds will not do it, and are more worried about being PC. Having a group of Neo Nazis ( their website is NSM88, that is Nazi if I ever saw it.), I worry about having a hate group being the face against illegal immigration. And if they do engage in a firefight and people die it will open up a shitstorm.

 

As much as I hate PC bullshit, it is a reality in the media and this situation will only get Spun for the worse I fear.

[Malsua 1,422]

Eff the Neo-National Socialists.

 

We need US troops on the border too bad Chairman Maobama is such a political POS.

 

The fire is in the wrong area...you should see this thing...30+ mile long smoke plume North and East of Flagstaff. Can't post images till I'm back, no card reader.

[Ray Ray 3,566]

Eff the Neo-National Socialists.

 

We need US troops on the border too bad Chairman Maobama is such a political POS.

 

The fire is in the wrong area...you should see this thing...30+ mile long smoke plume North and East of Flagstaff. Can't post images till I'm back, no card reader.

 

What fire? And I was in support of this until I found out who was going down there, NOT tea party supporters but da nazis?

[Spartacus99 0]

I posted this in another thread, but it is also be relevant here. My sentiments might not find popular support on this board, but I believe it has some merit.

 

""Ready is a member of the Nationalist Socialist Movement"

 

At least he is being honest. You can't blame the media for reporting something had these undertones from the start. The whole illegal alien hysteria is nothing more than an attempt to deflect people's attention away from the dismal state of affairs that this country finds itself in. If a true solution was being sought to illegal immigration then someone would point out that corporate America welcomes Mexican immigrants for their cheap labor and lobbies the government for it to continue. It is a common ploy to create a scapegoat to give people a reason for their dissatisfaction, as the National Socialist Movement has done before.

http://www.wehirealiens.com/results/index.asp "

[Joeybones 1]

Well, It could be A win win situation. Maybe they will kill each other off. No more illegals and no more Nazis.

[Malsua 1,422]

Eff the Neo-National Socialists.

 

We need US troops on the border too bad Chairman Maobama is such a political POS.

 

The fire is in the wrong area...you should see this thing...30+ mile long smoke plume North and East of Flagstaff. Can't post images till I'm back, no card reader.

 

What fire? And I was in support of this until I found out who was going down there, NOT tea party supporters but da nazis?

 

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/art ... wD9GGA4FO0

 

it's huge...saw it from 50 miles away.

[GoNRA 12]

Well, It could be A win win situation. Maybe they will kill each other off. No more illegals and no more Nazis.

 

 

wow, I didn't know they were really neo-nazi's, I just assumed the reporter was lying... im so used to them lying I guess it just comes natural to me.

 

Amen to that joey

[Guest]

as much as you hate neo-nazis..

as much as you dislike the message...

 

at least THEY are stepping up to PROTECT the country when NO ONE else (the federal government included) would..

 

if a Mexican American fireman that also happens to be a member of "La Raza" rushes into a burning building and saves a child does his pro-Latino stance make him any less a hero?

 

if a black soldier that also happens to have ties with some pro-black group like the panthers saves his fellow soldier in a bad fire fight does that make HIM any less a hero?

 

if the Aryan Nation goes to our borders.. and DEFENDS them when the fed fails.. does their narrow minded view on race change the fact that they are protecting us where the fed wont?

 

I am sorry.. but i give these guys a TON of credit.. they are out there doing what everyone else WON'T.. so I think they deserve respect in THAT regard.. I tend to judge a man on his actions.. not his beliefs..

[bbk 188]

And Hitler stepped up for Germany in a time of bread rationing and other extremes... the same could be associated with many other terrible, terrible people/groups. I'm not saying that the neo-nazi's would step up to gain some more power or whatnot... but these types of groups are not heroes. Sure, they might be taking action in a time of in-action, but that doesn't make them good men.

 

Further, as its been said, the media will use this to associate those crazies with the greater whole, and that would be a shame.

[Spartacus99 0]

What exactly are the Nazis protecting? Has there been that much violence or has it been blown out of proportion? There is gang violence in many parts of the US, but we do not see the need for militia's everywhere. Is there any reason why the State can not enforce its own laws without relying on the Federal government? When you ask the Federal government for help then you must accept their dominance and legislation.

 

When you support the actions of a group of people, what is to stop you from joining them?

[Guest]

And Hitler stepped up for Germany in a time of bread rationing and other extremes... the same could be associated with many other terrible, terrible people/groups. I'm not saying that the neo-nazi's would step up to gain some more power or whatnot... but these types of groups are not heroes. Sure, they might be taking action in a time of in-action, but that doesn't make them good men.

 

Further, as its been said, the media will use this to associate those crazies with the greater whole, and that would be a shame.

 

 

these people are not making an attempt to rule the country.. they are simply stepping up and being active when it comes to persevering our borders.. if they made a play for power.. i would disagree.. but as so far as just stepping up and securing our borders.. when the military wont.. when the police wont.. when the president wont.. to me the actions they are committing are noble.. what they are doing.. right now.. is not about "white power" or any other petty BS... it is about keeping people OUT of this country who are violent trouble makers.. so liking them to Hitler is IMO out of context.. would you say the same about a member of "la-raza" who came to your aid.. or the aid of your family? I would not discount a courageous act based on some narrow minded view the individual possessed.. if not for the media you would not even know his political and social beliefs.. the media is attempting to use these beliefs to minimize the positive impact they are attempting to have.. It is not about race.. this time at least.. it is about preserving this country.. and standing up to a threat when no one else would..

 

my opinion of course.. agree to disagree if you will.. but I am just saying..

[Guest]

What exactly are the Nazis protecting? Has there been that much violence or has it been blown out of proportion? There is gang violence in many parts of the US, but we do not see the need for militia's everywhere. Is there any reason why the State can not enforce its own laws without relying on the Federal government? When you ask the Federal government for help then you must accept their dominance and legislation.

 

When you support the actions of a group of people, what is to stop you from joining them?

 

 

because I am supporting the action of protecting the border.. NOT the action of burning a cross on someones lawn.. its funny how we are SO PRO-2a.. but when it comes to freedom of speech we are getting a little soft here.. I fail to see what these "people" think or say has to do with the job they are doing.. i fail to see how social or political views minimizes the stand they are taking..

 

is it worth fighting to keep people who are here illegally OUT of the country.. I say absolutely..

 

in a time of chaos.. or disaster.. I would stand next to a liberal gun hating citizen and help save his ass.. why? because he is a fellow American, a person... his political views do not change that.. I see no difference in what is going on in America, on the border..... and it is NOT like everyone down there is some radical skinhead.. there was another news article late yesterday that stated that they were working with MANY different types of people..

[bullpin 0]

as much as you hate neo-nazis..

as much as you dislike the message...

 

at least THEY are stepping up to PROTECT the country when NO ONE else (the federal government included) would..

 

if a Mexican American fireman that also happens to be a member of "La Raza" rushes into a burning building and saves a child does his pro-Latino stance make him any less a hero?

 

if a black soldier that also happens to have ties with some pro-black group like the panthers saves his fellow soldier in a bad fire fight does that make HIM any less a hero?

 

if the Aryan Nation goes to our borders.. and DEFENDS them when the fed fails.. does their narrow minded view on race change the fact that they are protecting us where the fed wont?

 

I am sorry.. but i give these guys a TON of credit.. they are out there doing what everyone else WON'T.. so I think they deserve respect in THAT regard.. I tend to judge a man on his actions.. not his beliefs..

 

 

 

+1 well said!!

[jeff47 30]

I am a bit torn on the whole thing as well. I'm not a huge fan of the National Socialists and believe that this will be spun against them no matter what happens, but I can't argue with them attempting to do SOMETHING. I have to say that having seen some of the people from the 'Southern Poverty Law Center' speak, there isn't a single member of this board they wouldn't consider to be an enemy of the state. They're as radical as the Neo Nazis.

 

Except for the fact that I'd be dismissed as a right wing, neo nazis fruit cake who eats children and beats nuns, I'd consider a road trip.

[Guest]

I am a bit torn on the whole thing as well. I'm not a huge fan of the National Socialists and believe that this will be spun against them no matter what happens, but I can't argue with them attempting to do SOMETHING. I have to say that having seen some of the people from the 'Southern Poverty Law Center' speak, there isn't a single member of this board they wouldn't consider to be an enemy of the state. They're as radical as the Neo Nazis.

 

Except for the fact that I'd be dismissed as a right wing, neo nazis fruit cake who eats children and beats nuns, I'd consider a road trip.

 

If I am being completely honest I would sooner surround myself with those people at the border than those assholes at the SPLC.. lesser of two evils..

[tony357 386]

I am not too happy about the whole natzi thing, could be they just want to get their hands on some mexicans.. trouts link opened up some eyes.. on who these people really are.. i guess if they detain them it will be ok, if they just gun them down their will be a problem..