What are the NJSP using for radar?

[Guest megaman]

I drive alot each day for work.

I have a high end radar detector that usually picks up radar over a mile out.

Lately I have seen the NJSP 'clocking' people with a handheld optical gun looking thing.

Why does this not pick up on my radar?

It picks up laser, so it cant be laser.

Are they just screwing with people to make them slow down and just eyeing people?

What is it?

[FFDP82 4]

Aren't radar detectors illegal in NJ?

[GoNRA 12]

I know some of them flick it on at the last minute.

[robot_hell 72]

Aren't radar detectors illegal in NJ?

 

No, they are not.

 

Megaman, that handheld device is laser. Your radar detector needs to catch a glint of the laser, so even if the LEO is aiming at your license plate (a nice, convenient reflective surface) or some other car, there's no guarantee it will go off. Even if your detector can pick up laser 100% reliably, it's usually too late by the time it alerts.

[Jon 264]

No, they are not.

 

Megaman, that handheld device is laser. Your radar detector needs to catch a glint of the laser, so even if the LEO is aiming at your license plate (a nice, convenient reflective surface) or some other car, there's no guarantee it will go off. Even if your detector can pick up laser 100% reliably, it's usually too late by the time it alerts.

 

This. LIDAR, as it's commonly referred to, only has a beam width of 30cm at a range of 100 yards. It's not surprising that your detector hasn't picked it up. BTW which detector do you use? I'm a V1 fanboi myself.

[Maksim 1,504]

This. LIDAR, as it's commonly referred to, only has a beam width of 30cm at a range of 100 yards. It's not surprising that your detector hasn't picked it up. BTW which detector do you use? I'm a V1 fanboi myself.

 

Or just slow the hell down.

[bry@n 195]

This. LIDAR, as it's commonly referred to, only has a beam width of 30cm at a range of 100 yards. It's not surprising that your detector hasn't picked it up. BTW which detector do you use? I'm a V1 fanboi myself.

 

 

Good advice. I think we should also point him to radar roys site. Lots of info to check into. You can also get a jammer for the laser.

[bry@n 195]

BAD idea.... passive detection isnt a problem..HOWEVER, once you start Active jamming though, now you are looking into legal problems.

 

I know of no law that says it's illegal to jam a laser. If you can find one, then we can move further. This is being done in at least 40+ states.

[Krdshrk 3,877]

Yeah it's definitely laser. My Escort Passport X50 8500 detects it but then again my radar detector is mounted low on my windshield. You can get detectors that mount on your license plate for the Escort high end ones... you can even get a laser "shifter"

[Jon 264]

BAD idea.... passive detection isnt a problem..HOWEVER, once you start Active jamming though, now you are looking into legal problems.

 

Kpd - you're thinking an active RADAR jamer, not laser. There are no restrictions in NJ against laser jammers. Active radar jammers violate Federal Law, though.

[Jon 264]

Or just slow the hell down.

 

No thank you.

[Malsua 1,422]

Back when I lived in Ohio, I was a bit more lead footed than today and there were more cops or they were bigger jerks. I only ever got 1 speeding ticket, that was with LIDAR. I owned a Valentine one(still do, don't know where it's at), and it barked but he still got me.

 

Being that I was a bit of the gadget guy, I did some research on LIDAR and determined the wavelength they were using. I ordered an infrared filter about 6 inches in diameter Edmund Scientific and mounted it on the front of a spotlight. I mounted the light on the bumper of my beater. I had rigged up a toggle switch on the dash and whenever I was speeding, I turned it on. During the day, with the filter mounted, no visible light was produced. At night it leaked a bunch of light. I couldn't run it a long time because it would get very hot after about 10 minutes.

 

Anyway, I got into the habit of turning it on before going into the area of the speed trap where the cop had pimped me before.

 

I was speeding, I saw him outside of the patrol car, he aimed, squeeze...looked, aimed again, several times. By the time I got slowed down he got into the cruiser and pulled me over.

 

He was very angry with me. He wanted to know where my laser jammer was. . He was looking all around inside of the car...ordered me out, dug under the seats...nothing. This took about 10 minutes and the light in front cooled off. By the time he walked in front, he asked me what it was...I said "spotlight". He said "turn it on". "Yes sir, I have to remove the lens cap first". I pulled the IR filter off, and flashed the light for him.

 

He let me go with a warning.

 

I moved out of OHIO 3 weeks later. I still smile when I think of that .

[Jon 264]

Loving the creativity Malsua!

[tsafa 2]

I have been to NJ traffic court a few times an beat them every time.

 

First- Do not just mail in payment. You lose money and get points this way. No chance of winning anything.

 

Second- Do not accept a plea bargain from the prosecutor. Demand a trail.

The prosecutor will tell you he has never lost a trial. Lie. The prosecutor is allowed to lie to you and so are cops. They can not lie in court under oath. Do not pay a lawyer for anything less then a serous offense that could put you in jail or lose you license. The lawyer will only get you the same plea bargain that the prosecutor would have automatically offered you anyway.

 

Third- The prosecutor will drag this out and find way to postpone a few times. The first time cop will not be available, second time cop won't have notice. You have to be willing to make at least three or four trips to court to win the case. Each time the prosecutor tries to delay you will ask to speak to the judge so you can ask for a dismissal. Judge may grant it. It also puts the prosecutor on notice that you are not a stupid person. Prosecutors and cops prefer not to put themselves at risk in a trial if they can avoid it. Each time prosecutor will offer you a deal with no points hoping you will take it.

 

Understand that the state is running a business. It is more profitable for them to make quick plea bargains. You pay a higher fine for no points. Trails take time and cost lots of money. Not profitable for them. Be willing to sit in court the whole day and let the judge see you waiting for trail. That tells him you are a fighter and you will likely appeal an unfavorable dicision. This is headache he would rather not have over a $100 ticket.

 

 

Fifth- If this does go to trial. The cop will first offer himself to make a deal before hand. The case has already been delayed a few times and he can not remember anything. When he stopped you you should have done or said anything to make yourself stand out more. You want the stop to be as routine as possible for him. For a speeding violation, just ask him how he assessed your speed. If he asks you how fast you were going say 65, NOT 66.

 

Six- Fat chance the case goes to trial. Chances are that it is not 4pm and prosecutor, cop and judge want to go home. If they attempt to delay it, demand a dismissal. No excuse if the cop is there too.

 

Seven- It goes to trial. You only need One Witness... The COP. Do not bring other people to assert that the cop is a lier... that will not work. Do not offer any testimony of your own... just question the cop. Make a list of question before hand. The answers to those questions should be YES or No only. Do not give the cop a chance to speak freely. You will only ask questions that have yes or no answers. Any you will ask them in a loaded manor so that he says what you want him to say. Do not ask any questions you do not already know the answer too. This is Rule ONE for lawyers in court.

 

 

In most cases the speed is assessed by radar or laser from the side of the road with the patrol car facing the on coming traffic. These are the questions to ask.

 

Questions:

 

Is it true that you issued to me a ticket to me based on a radar reading you took?

 

Is it true that you followed me for a distance of about a mile before you pulled me over?

 

Was I speeding at the time that you where following behind me?

 

Is it true that I was in the middle lane while you were following me?

 

Is it true that the car you took a reading from was in the left lane?

 

Was there more then one car on the road?

 

Isn't it true that there were several cars on the road at the time?

 

How wide is the beam spread of the radar at about 150 feet?

 

Isn't there SOME possibility that when you have a tight group of cars moving together... to confuse

which car you are getting a reading from?

 

After you took your reading is it true that you had to turn your car around 180 degrees in order to begin pursuit?

 

Before you entered the road did you look up the road to check for on coming traffic?

 

Is it true that in doing so you lost eye contact with the car that you just took a radar reading from?

 

Was you radar device mounted to the car? Or hand held?

 

Can a radar gun EVER give an false reading?

 

In relation to spead radar devices, Have you ever hear of a Scanning Error, Panning Error,

Ghosting Error or an Averaging Error?

 

Is it true that these are various forms of radar errors that have been known to occur.

 

 

Does the radar device show you a plate number with each reading?

 

Is it up to you to use your human judgment as to which car you are getting a reading from?

 

Have you ever made a human mistake in judgment?

 

When you took your radar reading, did you see the FRONT PLATE of the car you just took a reading from,

as it approached you?

 

Did you see the PLATE NUMBER on the Front Plate? (Don't ask this if you think he really had a chance to see it. Very rare.)

 

Did you see the Make, Model or VIN number of the car as it went by?

 

Isn't it true that Plate Number, Make, Model and Vin Number are primary means by which a car is identified?

 

If you did not see the Pate Number, Make, model or Vin number isn't it true that you

were really NOT ABLE to identify the car you just took a radar reading from?

 

Summery:

 

It has been your testimony that …

 

You said I was not speeding the whole time you followed me in the Middle Lane

 

You said you took a reading from a car in the LEFT lane.

 

You said that you lost eye contact with the car that you took a reading from while you turned you car around to enter the road.

 

You were unable to see the Plate Number, make, model or vin number… and really identify the car you took a reading from.

 

You said Radar has be known to give errors.

 

If Judge insists you give testimony:

 

First I would like to mention that I have had a clean license without any points for over 10 years.

 

I was approaching a curve in the road in the middle lane when my radar detector sounding off.

 

I became very aware of my surroundings

 

I slowed from 65 to 60 and so did most of the cars ahead of me as they came around the curve

 

As I went around the curve I saw a patrol car on the left side of the road and a white car speeding past me on the left.

 

I was sure he would get a ticket

 

Monitoring the situation out of curiosity I watch the patrol car slowly begin to make a turn and stop to wait for the traffic to pass.

 

I also saw the car the passed me cut from the left lane clear across to the right lane and slow down there.

 

By this time the patrol car that was stalled in entering the traffic had dropped completely out of my rear view mirror.

 

About 30 seconds later I saw him behind me following at a distance.

 

He followed me for about a mile before signaling me to pull over.

 

Obviously you may have to adjust some of the questions to suite you particular situation. In my situations I have not front plate on my PA car so it helps if I can get the cop to say that he did see the front plate as I drove by. Now I have him on perjury. This is the reason cops do not go to court for minor cases. They don' want to risk their credibility on a sly of hand maneuver from a guy like me.

 

If he says he did not see the front plate as you went by, it is impossible he say the vin, model, make of the car. The only ID he has is color. Do not mention color at all! And don't ask a question that allows him to mention it. If it does slip in, ask him if he has any idea of how many thousands of cars drove past him on the road that day with that same color.

 

I always change lanes after I pass a cop on the side of the road. That way I am setting up a future lane position question.

 

The cop always looses eye contact with the car he clocked in order to enter the road. This is a guaranteed win case. It has Reasonable Doubt. Reasonable doubt is all you need.

 

The questions about the various types of radar errors are only misdirection. Do not try to win the case on this. The cops are already prepared to deal with this and I want them to think that its "that type of defense". Then I attack from another direction.

 

I'm an accountant, not a lawyer... but I still make my living tearing apart the systems that politicians create to control us.

 

 

IMPORTANT: When the prosecutor asks you what happened do not say anything other then "you where not speeding". Do not even hint the nature of your defense. Never tell the enemy your war plans. The reason I posted this here is because people can not view this forum unless they are members. If more people demanded expensive trials the system would stop being profitable for the state and they would not hire cops for the sole purpose of giving tickets. These are not really cops, they are TAX COLLECTORS.

 

Note: NJ unmarked patrol cars are Dodge Chargers. They have a very distinctive front grill with a cross. I always keep one in my rear view mirror for this. If you see one coming up behind you downshift to slow you car down without activating you breaklights if he is closing in. They usually use radar as well as pace, so your radar detector should tip you off too. Only fools drive without radar/laser detectors because the state is obviously out to get you. If one of these guys gets you, the defense takes on a different tone. You should see them pacing you if you look for that grill-face. In that case they will only be able to pace you for a short distance and you can create reasonable doubt on that basis.

 

History: Most interstate highways are designed with curves wide enough to accommodate speeds approaching 100 mph. Certainly 80 mph. The interstate system is based on the German Autoban that the Americans where very impressed with when they occupied Germany after WWII. The Autoban has no speed limit on 50% of it. They did scale it down a bit to save money. I believe that the concrete is only 4 inches thick rather then 6 inches in US interstate highways. The reason why everyone cruises comfortably at 80-85 mph is because that is what the interstates were designed for. It is far more reasonable to have two speed limits posted. 85 mph for daytime dry conditions and 65 mph for night and wet conditions.

[nott 0]

Yes, most likely LIDAR.

http://www.guysoflidar.com/usa-laser-jammer-laws.html

 

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[Guest megaman]

This. LIDAR, as it's commonly referred to, only has a beam width of 30cm at a range of 100 yards. It's not surprising that your detector hasn't picked it up. BTW which detector do you use? I'm a V1 fanboi myself.

 

I have a Passport Escort 8500...the V1 works nice as well..

[Krdshrk 3,877]

I have a Passport Escort 8500...the V1 works nice as well..

 

Get the Escort Shifter ZR4

[tommy3rd 132]

What's this "radar detector" you guys are talking about? Lol.

[tsafa 2]

What's this "radar detector" you guys are talking about? Lol.

 

It is an Evil Law Evading Device

[crazyboy 13]

By the time you react to the detector going off hes probably going to have you. Good luck, my lead footed friend.

[tommy3rd 132]

A lot of troopers ignore you if you're going 75 or so on the parkway or turnpike. The issue is when you hit 80+.

[tsafa 2]

By the time you react to the detector going off hes probably going to have you. Good luck, my lead footed friend.

 

 

The detector usually goes off way before I see them. Cops have to get a visual on you too in order to give a ticket. In most cases it goes off in advance from other cars ahead of me that he is aiming it at. Even in cases where I am the only car, I am able to slow down enough to get by. Cop has to get a steady reading so it is credible. The only problem with Radar Detectors is that a lot of Work Signs have them too, so you get a lot of false readings that way. This becomes a problem if you start to anticipate false readings. That is how they got me a few times... but I still beat them in court (see earlier post).

[bry@n 195]

The 9500 ix or xi is not bad also. Cuts down on the bs alerts.

[KpdPipes 388]

Kpd - you're thinking an active RADAR jamer, not laser. There are no restrictions in NJ against laser jammers. Active radar jammers violate Federal Law, though.

I was under the impression that the Laser Jammers fell under the same federal statutes as the Radar Jammers

[KpdPipes 388]

The detector usually goes off way before I see them. Cops have to get a visual on you too in order to give a ticket. In most cases it goes off in advance from other cars ahead of me that he is aiming it at. Even in cases where I am the only car, I am able to slow down enough to get by. Cop has to get a steady reading so it is credible. The only problem with Radar Detectors is that a lot of Work Signs have them too, so you get a lot of false readings that way. This becomes a problem if you start to anticipate false readings. That is how they got me a few times... but I still beat them in court (see earlier post).

 

I found that rather amusing in fact..you made a LOT of Assumptions...Who knows, maybe one day before I retire we'll see if you can beat me in court..not that I do much radar anymore. When i Do do radar, unless it's on a residential street, during the day, I almost always give a 15 MPH cushion, I dont even LOOK at a car unless it is more than 15 over. I only go after single vehicles, and when i set up, I NEVER park 180 degrees to the flow of traffic........Oh and I ALWAYS go to court. My PERSONAL favorite are the guys who give the "Adjourn as many times as you can until the cop gets tired of going" Advice.. Court Time goes direct into the New Gun Fund.

[Maksim 1,504]

I look at it this way.... if you are speeding... dont bitch if you get caught.

 

If you are fined... yes, you can go to court 5 times, for at least 3 hours... that is 15 hours....

 

You might save yourself $100, but is your time worth $6 an hour, not including time spent driving, tolls, and gas.

[Jon 264]

I have a Passport Escort 8500...the V1 works nice as well..

 

Good detector. I like the V1 due to the fact that I will always be able to upgrade it to the current model's specs.

 

By the time you react to the detector going off hes probably going to have you. Good luck, my lead footed friend.

 

Wrong. I have been saved by my V1 several times. Laser is the only method that has successfully nabbed me since I bought my V1.

 

I was under the impression that the Laser Jammers fell under the same federal statutes as the Radar Jammers

 

Nah, laser jammers essentially shoot a beam of laser light, not any sort of radio wave, making them perfectly legal. There have been IIRC 11 states that have passed laws making laser jammers illegal, however.(NJ is not one of them)

 

I look at it this way.... if you are speeding... dont **** if you get caught.

 

Exactly. I have been pulled over twice in the last 5 years, and was WAY over the limit both times. I took my ticket the first time and mailed payment, the second time I got a warning. If I get hit and I was speeding, I'll pay it.

[Bob2222 317]

I was under the impression that the Laser Jammers fell under the same federal statutes as the Radar Jammers

 

Laser jammers are covered under the CFR and fall under the jurisdiction of the Food and Drug Administration, just like laser sights and laser bore sighters. http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh/cfdocs/cfcfr/cfrsearch.cfm?fr=1040.10

 

They are not illegal in NJ, but please don't tell your state representative about them, because the next time we have a Bolshevik governor, they might be! Most Lidar guns give specific error codes when they're jammed now, so the LEO is aware of what's happening.

[bry@n 195]

I usually am driving in the 75-80 mph range. I am usually 10 miles over the posted speed limit and that's fast enough for me. I have no need to really do more than 80 or 85.

 

I've tried the v1 and escort detectors and each time I sell them because I have no real need for them. The red light camera feature is awesome on the escort though. If you live in nyc, that would pay for itself alone.

[Wolfy 51]

How long has NJ been using laser guns?