JackDaWack 2,894 Posted December 1, 2010 1/2 the Camden Police force was just laid off. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
djg0770 481 Posted December 1, 2010 1/2 the Camden Police force was just laid off. I guess that now they are even more outnumbered by illegal gun toting drug dealers... :thsmiley_deadhorse: Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
deviated rationality 4 Posted December 1, 2010 Exactly what we needed to protect the innocent. There needs to be a freeze on all funding for EVERYTHING thats NOT LE, FD, Emergency Departments, and Education. Not this crap. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
e80hydro 120 Posted December 1, 2010 Fill that place in with cement. Newark too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JonF 79 Posted December 1, 2010 There's talks of Newark PD laying off a substantial portion of its payroll as well. Sounds like its going to be the year of the criminal in those towns. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest megaman Posted December 1, 2010 1/2 the Camden Police force was just laid off. 167 officers in Newark today as well. Time to push CCW Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KpdPipes 388 Posted December 1, 2010 There's talks of Newark PD laying off a substantial portion of its payroll as well. Sounds like its going to be the year of the criminal in those towns. Newark PD is losing 165 confirmed. My Dept of 118 (Current, we're Supposed to have 121 as per the TO) is losing 5 on 1 jan, and another 12 on 1 April, unless we can come to terms with our town. Atlantic City, ater losing 60, emptied it's detective bureau and but them all back in uniform, trurning all active investigations (including 8 open homicides) to the AC County Prosecutor's Office. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
e80hydro 120 Posted December 1, 2010 Most of those cops blew it. While they were busy doing there jobs fighting crime and keeping society as safe as they could, which costs money, the cops out in the suberbs were busy writing tickets generating cashola for their towns, insuring their futures. They only have themselves to blame. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Old School 611 Posted December 1, 2010 Exactly what we needed to protect the innocent. There needs to be a freeze on all funding for EVERYTHING thats NOT LE, FD, Emergency Departments, and Education. Not this crap. You included about everybody... So who are you going to freeze. My wife, a Gov't employee, just took a 2yr pay freeze. She said it's better than layoffs. I agree. Stupid teachers union wouldn't take a pay freeze.... Think we could save our police departments if they took a pay freeze and worked overtime for straight time pay? Just some thoughts... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shawnmoore81 623 Posted December 1, 2010 This is exactly what Camden needed. It's gonna be like escape from new York in there. Deff time to push the ccw or atleast open carry. Problem is camden getting worse is going to trickle out to surrounding towns also. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wolfy 51 Posted December 1, 2010 How about no politician gets paid unless their town/county/state/country has a balanced budget? They piss away trillions and the first thing to get cut is police/EMS/fire? This is all a political ploy. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tony357 386 Posted December 1, 2010 our town laid off 14 officers a month ago, here is the thing though their were way too many and alot of them were part time.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BRN169 6 Posted December 1, 2010 It is about time... State police, County Police, County Sheriffs, Park Police, Transit Police, municipal police, etc., etc., etc. Please tell me how this nation survived 100 years ago before all this bs? Oh yeah, now I remember, we didn't have civilian disarmament laws that stripped people of their ability to protect themselves, their families and their property from the asshats in society... You can't employ someone for 25-30 years, pay them and their families salaries, pensions and benefits for 60 years and expect the system not to crash under its own weight. That is unsustainable and government employees are about to get a very loud wake up call to the reality the private sector has been living in for the last 50 years... The Dems are going to use the increased crime rates in these ****-holes following this to hang Christie. I think he has a good reason for wanting to invest political capital in CCW to stem the impending tide of crime that is coming but unfortunately as I said all along he is too left of center to understand this… 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Babaganoosh 192 Posted December 1, 2010 You can't employ someone for 25-30 years, pay them and their families salaries, pensions and benefits for 60 years and expect the system not to crash under its own weight. That is unsustainable and government employees are about to get a very loud wake up call to the reality the private sector has been living in for the last 50 years... I agree. The whole system is a legal pyramid system. You cant put in say 150k over 20 years and then get back 75k or so a year over the next 45 years. It's not right. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GRIZ 3,365 Posted December 1, 2010 Sounds like its going to be the year of the criminal in those towns Its year of the criminal every year in Newark and Camden. It is about time... State police, County Police, County Sheriffs, Park Police, Transit Police, municipal police, etc., etc., etc. Please tell me how this nation survived 100 years ago before all this bs? Oh yeah, now I remember, we didn't have civilian disarmament laws that stripped people of their ability to protect themselves, their families and their property from the asshats in society... Echelons and jurisdictions in policing are not a bad thing. Each serves a specific function and in many instances saves money. Smaller towns don't have the assets or personnel to investigate many types of crimes. That comes from the county or state. We didn't have all these agencies in the past mostly because of demographics. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shawnmoore81 623 Posted December 1, 2010 No matter how much you want to cut back you can't get rid of cops if you are in a state where you can't carry guns. It's gonna force people to either carry anyway or become victims. I have no reason to go to Camden but if I did I'd really have to way my options on how to protect my family. God forbid I had to go at night forget it. Luckily thats not something I have to deal with Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shawnmoore81 623 Posted December 1, 2010 Btw Camden cops dint make alot of money 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpecialK 193 Posted December 1, 2010 I agree. The whole system is a legal pyramid system. You cant put in say 150k over 20 years and then get back 75k or so a year over the next 45 years. It's not right. it's 25 to retire actually. then the pension is only off of ones base pay which the top officers base pay is around 100. At 25 years this person is entitled to 65% so that would be $65,000. This is only the high up Officers though. The average fireman that does not become an officer base pay is about 60K at 25 year he gets 25% which would be 39K a year. If they want to work longer they can get 1% more each year with a cap of 5% extra meaning at 30 years they can retire with 70%. This is not a lot of money to pay police and FF for their service and the system was fine until the NJ government screwed it up. It doesn't help that Judges are on the same pension, but they do not pay into it and they don't have to serve a min amount of time to collect and they get 100% plus 45 years? The average age of retirement for police and fire personnel is 50, since when is 95 the average life span for the average person let alone for a group of people that statistically die younger from job related conditions and heart problems. Here is a good article to explain what happened to the pension system to those jumping to conclusions that it was just a poor system. http://newjerseyhills.com/mt_olive_chronicle/opinion/columns/article_487cc442-ec43-11df-8ac0-001cc4c002e0.html?mode=print Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpecialK 193 Posted December 1, 2010 Btw Camden cops dint make alot of money especially the ones that just got laid off, since they fire from the lower ranks first obviously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KpdPipes 388 Posted December 1, 2010 I agree. The whole system is a legal pyramid system. You cant put in say 150k over 20 years and then get back 75k or so a year over the next 45 years. It's not right. All im going to say is that you dont know WTF you are talking about. PFRS is actually in decent shape, mainly because WE dont have every scumbag politician raiding it for multiple pensions for themselves and their cronies. Is it in GREAT shape? no it isnt, mainly because a portion of it was invested in Lehmen against Our wishes just in time for that money to be lost. But the fact remains that even with over ten years of NOBODY BUT US making the payments, and the hit from the bad investment, PFRS is still at around 78% fully funded, considering that the Fed gives 80% and above an "Excellent" rating, i'm not overly concerned. What I DO fins sadly amusing is that very few of you seem to mind that YOUR POLITICIANS have been runninf your towns on Borrowed money for the past decade..and now that those loans are due it's everyone else's fault. But then again YOU are the same ones that will tell anyone you see how every NJ politician would as soon Lie as Breathe..until they are telling you something you want to hear..THEN all of a sudden they are telling the truth. 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
djg0770 481 Posted December 1, 2010 It is about time... State police, County Police, County Sheriffs, Park Police, Transit Police, municipal police, etc., etc., etc. Please tell me how this nation survived 100 years ago before all this bs? Oh yeah, now I remember, we didn't have civilian disarmament laws that stripped people of their ability to protect themselves, their families and their property from the asshats in society... This - combined with the societal attitude of "the criminal is the victim" have combined to create a perfect storm of societal mismanagement. All the criminals (released back onto the streets) require that many more police to "react" to them and their actions. The recidivism rate in this country is ridiculous. When we again learn to treat convicted criminals as criminals, when the judicial system imposes real change, when "plea bargaining" is no longer permitted for heinous acts, THEN and only then can this society return to its roots. Meanwhile, Joe Welder who does mostly nothing wrong is not permitted to protect himself at all, and certainly not without fear of civil action by the perp. Just keep chanting to yourself "the perp is the victim" and sing KumByYa and peace and love will keep you safe. :thsmiley_deadhorse: Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Babaganoosh 192 Posted December 1, 2010 All im going to say is that you dont know WTF you are talking about. PFRS is actually in decent shape, mainly because WE dont have every scumbag politician raiding it for multiple pensions for themselves and their cronies. Is it in GREAT shape? no it isnt, mainly because a portion of it was invested in Lehmen against Our wishes just in time for that money to be lost. But the fact remains that even with over ten years of NOBODY BUT US making the payments, and the hit from the bad investment, PFRS is still at around 78% fully funded, considering that the Fed gives 80% and above an "Excellent" rating, i'm not overly concerned. What I DO fins sadly amusing is that very few of you seem to mind that YOUR POLITICIANS have been runninf your towns on Borrowed money for the past decade..and now that those loans are due it's everyone else's fault. But then again YOU are the same ones that will tell anyone you see how every NJ politician would as soon Lie as Breathe..until they are telling you something you want to hear..THEN all of a sudden they are telling the truth. Yeah I dont know what Im talking about. Funny how they just reported that it takes 90 private sector workers to pay for just one public sector worker. One of the HIGHEST in the nation. Fact is when it comes to pensions MOST people take out more than they put in. Thats not counting the possible interest you would make on your money. Most people drawing a pension TAKE for more years then they contributed. Id like to see public workers have to go to a 401k system. You get a percentage match and thats it. When your money runs out its over johnny. You dont get to suckle at the taxpayers teats and longer. Now mind you when I say you I dont mean you in paticular. I mean public workers. Social Security is the same way. Legal pyramid scheme. Final note. If all these systems are so great then why are they running out of money? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Babaganoosh 192 Posted December 1, 2010 Oh and I don't believe ANYTHING a politician says. EVER. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jon 264 Posted December 1, 2010 Yeah I dont know what Im talking about. Funny how they just reported that it takes 90 private sector workers to pay for just one public sector worker. One of the HIGHEST in the nation. Fact is when it comes to pensions MOST people take out more than they put in. Thats not counting the possible interest you would make on your money. Most people drawing a pension TAKE for more years then they contributed. Id like to see public workers have to go to a 401k system. You get a percentage match and thats it. When your money runs out its over johnny. You dont get to suckle at the taxpayers teats and longer. Now mind you when I say you I dont mean you in paticular. I mean public workers. Social Security is the same way. Legal pyramid scheme. Final note. If all these systems are so great then why are they running out of money? Public sector worker does NOT equal Police. PFRS is a completely separate pension system. Please read this: http://newjerseyhills.com/mt_olive_chronicle/opinion/columns/article_487cc442-ec43-11df-8ac0-001cc4c002e0.html?mode=print It explains why the pension systems are running out of money. With that being said, I would be much happier with a 401k or better yet no retirement plan for myself so I can choose where to invest. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CageFighter 236 Posted December 1, 2010 i personally think the LEO are WAY OVERPAID anyway! my bro is a county cop and his salary is REDICULOUS! he knows it and its a game they all play. the end result being a FAT PENSION after 20yrs. they all know how to play, while we all get stuck paying the bill! the teachers are even WORSE! as far as the Fed gov't employees pay freeze, i didint see anything about them freezing BONUSES, etc. (its a scam) now.... who wants to give me a ticket? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CageFighter 236 Posted December 1, 2010 ARM the civilains (legally), we can protect ourselves CHEAPER! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
e80hydro 120 Posted December 1, 2010 With all the layoffs, if you find yourself in trouble and need a police officer go to this mall for help: http://www.nj.com/independentpress/index.ssf/2010/12/sign_of_the_times_troopers_pat/4363/comments-2.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vjf915 456 Posted December 1, 2010 You included about everybody... So who are you going to freeze. My wife, a Gov't employee, just took a 2yr pay freeze. She said it's better than layoffs. I agree. Stupid teachers union wouldn't take a pay freeze.... Think we could save our police departments if they took a pay freeze and worked overtime for straight time pay? Im not sure I would agree that is something a group of workers should agree to. So after the two years is up, whats to stop the government from saying "Welllllll.......we still dont have any money to pay you, can you go another two years?" We all know how the government works, they take a little at a time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CageFighter 236 Posted December 1, 2010 With all the layoffs, if you find yourself in trouble and need a police officer go to this mall for help: http://www.nj.com/independentpress/index.ssf/2010/12/sign_of_the_times_troopers_pat/4363/comments-2.html this is bc u need to rob a bank to shop in that mall! the rich lookin out for the rich. nobody gives a sh*t about the lil people anymore. (im just glad im not one of them) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BobZ 0 Posted December 1, 2010 Fill that place in with cement. Newark too. At least in camden you could turn the BB New Jersey's 16" guns towards the shore and blast away. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites