Dayton Ohio shooting

[Malsua 1,422]

This is exactly why we need CCW. Man gets gas, hopped up guy acts like he knows him in store, follows him to his car, asks for a ride...when the driver refuses, a scuffle ensues..two one one...good guy reaches in car, dumps two .45 into the gut of bad guy. Bad guy lives.

 

Good guy not charged although the gun is being held for a bit.

 

This is Ohio.

 

Video at link.

Good guy posted at blog below first story.

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http://fox.daytonsnewssource.com/shared/newsroom/raw_news/videos/vid_47.shtml'>http://fox.daytonsnewssource.com/shared/newsroom/raw_news/videos/vid_47.shtml

 

DAYTON - Dayton Police say a man who was being robbed at a local gas station turned the table on his attackers, shooting one of them.

It happened late Friday, June 17 at the Sunoco station at Wayne Av. and Keowee St. Watch the surveillance video as the victim in the assault defends himself against the two guys who investigators say were attempting to rob him.

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http://www.burtonblog.com/view.cfm?post=4513

 

Blog Readers: A MUST READ! This exchange of blog posts is from the Ohioians For Concealed Carry website and is between some of its members and the Dayton man who was forced to avert a car-jack/kidnap attempt on him this week by shooting assailant twice in the guts. Note at the end he says that he owes his life to the fact that he was carrying his Glock WITH A LIVE ROUND IN THE CHAMBER! Very good advice for those who think they have enough time to operate the slide and feed a live round into the chamber... In this case the citizen was holding onto the steering wheel with his left arm while the assailant was trying to drag him out of the car - other gang bangers were coming to assist when he shot the assailant off of him. With his right hand he was able to reach his loaded and ready to fire handgun from the center console. Note also that he said he wished his GUN WAS HOLSTERED ON HIM when this assault happened. Note also that he is NOW carrying a Kimber holstered on him while his Glock is impounded by law enforcement. Remember: ALWAYS HAVE A BACKUP PIECE HANDY. ALWAYS! Note also that the entire incident was caught on survellience tape and that the perp was the aggressor - the armed citizen was merely filling his car with gas. This exchange is a bit hard to read, but very revealing.

 

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had to shoot someone on friday.

 

by adf8585 » Tue Jun 21, 2011 11:55 pm

Dayton Police say a man who was being robbed at a local gas

station turned the table on his attackers, shooting one of them.

http://fox.daytonsnewssource.com/shared ... d_47.shtml

http://www.whiotv.com/video/28315602/index.html

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by gmhiggins » Wed Jun 22, 2011 12:06 am

Glad you are ok. Please keep us updated with any sort of case brought against you, and details when your lawyer says it is alright to discuss, and when you are OK to talk about it.

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by adf8585 » Wed Jun 22, 2011 12:09 am

talked to detective today no chearges are being filed

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by gmhiggins » Wed Jun 22, 2011 12:11 am

adf8585 wrote:talked to detective today no chearges are being filed

 

 

IMO, still get a legal opinion. You can never be too careful. Again, I hope you are OK mentally and physically.

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by JediSkipdogg » Wed Jun 22, 2011 12:11 am

Looks like a good shoot to me. Good job. 2 shots center mass stopped the threat and then you removed yourself from the location. Nothing excessive there.

 

If you are allowed to talk, can you explain where you went after the shooting and what you did?

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by adf8585 » Wed Jun 22, 2011 12:13 am

JediSkipdogg wrote:Looks like a good shoot to me. Good job. 2 shots center mass stopped the threat and then you removed yourself from the location. Nothing excessive there.

 

If you are allowed to talk, can you explain where you went after the shooting and what you did?

 

when i pulled out i called 911 and explained my situation she said cops had already responded to the scene so i circled back around and pulled back in

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by gmhiggins » Wed Jun 22, 2011 12:18 am

adf8585 wrote:talked to detective today no chearges are being filed

 

 

Did they take your weapon for "investigation" purposes? Do you have a backup? I would be so inclined as to offer a backup if you do not, provided you can return it to me when you receive your weapon.

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by adf8585 » Wed Jun 22, 2011 12:19 am

gmhiggins wrote:

adf8585 wrote:talked to detective today no chearges are being filed

 

 

IMO, still get a legal opinion. You can never be too careful. Again, I hope you are OK mentally and physically.

 

thank you for your concern i greatly appreciate it

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by adf8585 » Wed Jun 22, 2011 12:21 am

gmhiggins wrote:

adf8585 wrote:talked to detective today no chearges are being filed

 

 

Did they take your weapon for "investigation" purposes? Do you have a backup? I would be so inclined as to offer a backup if you do not, provided you can return it to me when you receive your weapon.

 

they did take my weapon but the detective said i would get it back in a few days as for the backup the trusty kimber is on my side i thank u for your offer though brother

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by JediSkipdogg » Wed Jun 22, 2011 12:27 am

adf8585 wrote:

gmhiggins wrote:

adf8585 wrote:talked to detective today no chearges are being filed

 

 

Did they take your weapon for "investigation" purposes? Do you have a backup? I would be so inclined as to offer a backup if you do not, provided you can return it to me when you receive your weapon.

 

they did take my weapon but the detective said i would get it back in a few days as for the backup the trusty kimber is on my side i thank u for your offer though brother

 

 

How long were you at the PD before you could leave?

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by adf8585 » Wed Jun 22, 2011 12:31 am

How long were you at the PD before you could leave?

they escorted me off the scene pretty fast due to some distraught family members that showed up on the scene. the incident happened at 11:45 pm friday and i was released at 3:30 am saturday morning

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by HancockCountyHAl » Wed Jun 22, 2011 12:51 am

WOW!

I'm glad you're OK. I'd hate to think what could have happened.

 

Can you tell us if you experienced tunnel vision, an adrenaline boost, auditory exclusion, etc?

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by Cosmos » Wed Jun 22, 2011 12:53 am

I am glad that you are safe after this incident. You can never tell what someone high on crack is going to do. If the family members had become distraught before this happen, then perhaps they could have saved Montgomery County thousands of dollars treating and prosecuting their family member.

 

Be glad that this was caught on video showing the perp as the aggressor. If not, then things might not have been so cut and dry. I hope that you have your gun returned soon and not until after the trial. I also hope that the perp does not try a civil shakedown either.

 

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by adf8585 » Wed Jun 22, 2011 12:57 am

HancockCountyHAl wrote:WOW!

I'm glad you're OK. I'd hate to think what could have happened.

 

Can you tell us if you experienced tunnel vision, an adrenaline boost, auditory exclusion, etc?

 

supprisingly calm time did seem to slow andrenaline was through the roof as well.definitely need to thank vandalia range and armory for the excellent ccw training i received

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by adf8585 » Wed Jun 22, 2011 1:00 am

the gun was a glock model 36. carrying with one in the chamber probably saved my life because i was holding myself in the car with my left hand as they were trying to pull me out of the car no way i could have racked the slide.

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[Ray Ray 3,566]

Good post Mark, good read

[vjf915 456]

Wow...great ending to the story. Everyone innocent walks away okay, and still maintains a clean record.

[Malsua 1,422]

Wow...great ending to the story. Everyone innocent walks away okay, and still maintains a clean record.

 

Bad guy lived as well.

 

Too bad someone didn't ask him what round was in the Glock 36.

 

Well, they might have...30 pages in the original thread. http://ohioccwforums.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=53502&start=0

 

I'm going to read it now.

[Malsua 1,422]

Here it is:

 

by adf8585 » Wed Jun 22, 2011 10:00 am

 

dan dan the XD40 man wrote:Glad you are OK and thanks for posting.

 

I'm curious to what ammo you were loaded with?

pow r ball

[tuktuk 16]

Wait a sec .... two .45 into the gut????? Point blank ??? How the hell did that tango live???

[Malsua 1,422]

Wait a sec .... two .45 into the gut????? Point blank ??? How the hell did that tango live???

 

Yeah, isn't a .45 supposed to just cut the guy clean in half?

 

 

If you look at the statistics, the best 1 shot, 1 kill is a .357 magnum. There's a few points off that then the .45, .40 and 9mm are all clumped right together. Shot placement is key. Center mass rib cage to get a major organ.

[71ragtopgoat 23]

45 was designed in part to stop drug crazed worriers like the ones we fought in the Philippines. Well it did stop him but I was hoping for it to be a little more effective.

[vjf915 456]

Would have been nice if it was more effective, but that doesn't much matter....what matters is is the innocent man got out of the situation safely.

 

I really hope that Ohio has laws regarding immunity from civil prosecution as well.... This man not only had to deal with being assaulted, but also defending his life. The last thing he needs is a civil case brought up against him.

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I can't believe some people carry with no round in the chamber, and it's surprising how many more people do it than one would think.

[Recon Racoon 49]

I just read through almost the entire thread, subsequent other threads on other forums and can say with 100% certainty the guy isn't going to face criminal or civil action. Ohio Castle Doctrine covers cars (where the shots were fired from) and the house. The fact the bad guy is walking around is a little suprising, but seeing where he got shot, it was a light bulb moment. The rounds went through the abdomen, and out of his back. He survived by pure, dumb, luck. Bad guy was posting junk on his FB. They have screen shots of it. I lol'd at his misuse of the English language.

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I lol'd at his misuse of the English language.

 

Yeah, the use of "Bruh" is so annoying, I'm not sure I could be in this person's presence without retching in disgust.

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Would have been nice if it was more effective

 

???????

 

A double-tap brought the guy to his back, and he was unable to get back up. That's the textbook definition of "effective" in my opinion. Remember, you're not looking to kill... you're looking to stop.

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God forgive me but with this tangos career path and all the money that the taxpayers now will spend fixing him medically, feeding him and other..... Taking a more permanent approach to the solution doesnt sound like a bad idea .... Yee he got really lucky ...

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God forgive me but with this tangos career path and all the money that the taxpayers now will spend fixing him medically, feeding him and other..... Taking a more permanent approach to the solution doesnt sound like a bad idea .... Yee he got really lucky ...

 

I have zero problems with the scumbag dying, but the goal is never to kill... it is to stop the threat.

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I can't believe some people carry with no round in the chamber, and it's surprising how many more people do it than one would think.

 

That to me is unsafe. If there's no round in the chamber you mind as well carry it empty and just wave it around.

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I have zero problems with the scumbag dying

This is what I was getting at. It would have been NICE if the community didn't have to go through the trouble of paying for his court cases, and THEN have to deal with him when he gets out of jail. It would be NICE, that's all. Look at the rest of that post, I said what's important is the innocent man gets to walk away....both because he wasn't injured and because he wasn't arrested.

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Man, that video. Guy was saying he had no idea why he did what he did or even what they were planning to do. That just means his friend joined in for no reason other than to "go with it." Thank God he was on crack or would have died.

 

That is the nightmare as I see it. I had friends I grew up with get addicted to crack and angel dust and when I would meet up with them they would talk about having no idea why they did what they did. My best friend in elementary school got so addicted by high school he dragged his girlfriend to a bridge and tried to throw her off. He had no idea why.

 

This is the same guy that got so upset with signs that said "employees must wash their hands before returning to work" that he would piss in the soap dispensers. His reason, he just didn't like the sign.

 

That's why talking about "what do you need to carry a pistol for," is such a hard sell. The reasons and circumstances can be so random and unbelievable that you end up sounding like a paranoid looney.

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That's why talking about "what do you need to carry a pistol for," is such a hard sell. The reasons and circumstances can be so random and unbelievable that you end up sounding like a paranoid looney.

That's why you don't bring up scenarios that MAY happen, bring up the strange and looney stories that HAVE happened. Bring up this one, "A guy was assaulted by two crackheads at a gas station, he was able to neutralize the threat and get away safely because he was legally carrying a concealed weapon."

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I had a wide eyed nutjob ask me, "Do you have any fears?" in a twisted voice at work. That was his response when I asked him for his train ticket. I took a step back and kept my eyes on him till he got off at the next stop. You never know when stupidity or craziness is going to strike.

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I had a wide eyed nutjob ask me, "Do you have any fears?" in a twisted voice at work. That was his response when I asked him for his train ticket. I took a step back and kept my eyes on him till he got off at the next stop. You never know when stupidity or craziness is going to strike.

 

So did you get the ticket?

[Cylinder Head 22]

???????

 

A double-tap brought the guy to his back, and he was unable to get back up. That's the textbook definition of "effective" in my opinion. Remember, you're not looking to kill... you're looking to stop.

 

This. Two .45 rounds and the perp was on his a**. That's a great outcome for a hairy situation.

[hardline_42 7]

???????

 

A double-tap brought the guy to his back, and he was unable to get back up. That's the textbook definition of "effective" in my opinion. Remember, you're not looking to kill... you're looking to stop.

The video narration also stated that, had the attacker not been high on crack, he would've gone into shock and his chances of making it out alive would've been greatly reduced.

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The video narration also stated that, had the attacker not been high on crack, he would've gone into shock and his chances of making it out alive would've been greatly reduced.

 

The fact that he was THAT hopped up and still got dropped made me want to hug my HK45.

[Old Glock guy 1,127]

???????

 

A double-tap brought the guy to his back, and he was unable to get back up. That's the textbook definition of "effective" in my opinion. Remember, you're not looking to kill... you're looking to stop.

 

Jon, I'm with you on that. If we ever attain the Holy Grail of being allowed to carry in NJ, I would view my firearm as a tool to help defend myself, not as a means to be judge and jury.

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Yeah, the use of "Bruh" is so annoying, I'm not sure I could be in this person's presence without retching in disgust.

 

I'm not sure I could be around the guy without kicking his teeth in. Not for the misuse of English, but for trying to hurt a kill an innocent man.

 

As for the rounds he was carrying, the first was a .45 Pow'r Ball and the second was a normal .45. Not sure if it were FMJ, or JHP though. The photos of the bad guys gut however shows the entry wound before the cavity formed is about the size of my thumb. The second entry wound was from the normal round and slightly smaller.