Bello 9 Posted August 6, 2011 They had told me that in new jersey a semi auto shotgun as the benelli m4 can have a pistol grip stock as long as its not adjustable... i was told this by two people there. they have it hanging up right above a saiga 12 center show rack for 1535.00 was talking to ray ray and we both were wondering the total legality of this as per rules.. if this is true i will buy a non adjustable pistol grip for my m4 asap! Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PK90 3,569 Posted August 6, 2011 Adjustable pistol grip? You dragging into Ray Ray into this thread? :thsmiley_deadhorse: A New Jersey peasant can not possess any semi-auto shotgun that has a pistol grip. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vladtepes 1,060 Posted August 6, 2011 bullethole just confirmed they do in fact have said pistol grip equipped shotgun for sale.. and it is OK because "this particular shotgun the pistol grip is part of the stock.. so it is OK" I do not read the law like that.. but if you wanted to roll the dice.. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vladtepes 1,060 Posted August 6, 2011 I am really shocked they are selling this gun.. "Assault firearms" means:.................................... 3. A semi-automatic shotgun with either a magazine capacity exceeding six rounds, a folding stock or a pistol grip; or a semi-automatic rifle with a fixed magazine capacity exceeding 15 rounds. For purposes of this paragraph, "semi-automatic" means a firearm which fires a single projectile for each pull of the trigger and is self-reloading or automatically chambers a round, cartridge or bullet. For purposes of this paragraph "pistol grip" means a well defined handle, similar to that found on a handgun, that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon, and which permits the shotgun to be held and fired with one hand; I mean it specifically says "held and fired with one hand" which is really a stretch for THAT gun.. but I am pretty confident I could hold that gun and fire it with one hand.. as far as the definition it seems fairly clear.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bello 9 Posted August 6, 2011 Adjustable pistol grip? You dragging into Ray Ray into this thread? :thsmiley_deadhorse: A New Jersey peasant can not possess any semi-auto shotgun that has a pistol grip. i said its not adjustable re read! and ya i was talkin to ray cause he didnt believe me fugg it ima buy a pistol grip non adjustable Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bello 9 Posted August 6, 2011 bullethole just confirmed they do in fact have said pistol grip equipped shotgun for sale.. and it is OK because "this particular shotgun the pistol grip is part of the stock.. so it is OK" I do not read the law like that.. but if you wanted to roll the dice.. Told you RayRay Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PK90 3,569 Posted August 6, 2011 With all do respect, how the hell can a pistol grip be adjustable or non-adjustable. Do you mean the Stock is non-adjustable? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bello 9 Posted August 6, 2011 With all do respect, how the hell can a pistol grip be adjustable or non-adjustable. Do you mean the Stock is non-adjustable? i fixed my post yes pistol grip adjustable stock he said is a no no; give them a call see whats up your a dealer correct? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PK90 3,569 Posted August 6, 2011 i fixed my post yes pistol grip adjustable stock he said is a no no; give them a call see whats up your a dealer correct? No reason to call. I know what the law says. ETA: If that dealer is interpreting the grip as not being under the action, more power to them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vjf915 456 Posted August 6, 2011 ETA: If that dealer is interpreting the grip as not being under the action, more power to them. Until they sell the shotgun to a civilian who doesn't konw any better, and their license gets taken away. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vladtepes 1,060 Posted August 6, 2011 Until they sell the shotgun to a civilian who doesn't konw any better, and their license gets taken away. or worse yet.. until they sell it to a civilian who is arrested for an AW violation.. I do not know that the defense "the shop sold it to me" is relevant... I mean it may ultimately exonerate you of the charges.. but it does not mean that it will happen quickly or smoothly.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray Ray 3,566 Posted August 7, 2011 Can a representative from the Bullet Hole chime in here? Maybe move this thread to their section. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Teufelhunden 6 Posted August 7, 2011 No reason to call. I know what the law says. ETA: If that dealer is interpreting the grip as not being under the action, more power to them. Agreed. I would assume that is how they are interpreting it. The pistol grip is behind the action but it is also lower than the action. "Lower than" and "protrudes conspicuously beneath the action" are not technically the same. I wouldn't advocate volunteering to restrict yourself if it is not illegal, but in this case it is too questionable to take a chance. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MarkWVU02 47 Posted August 7, 2011 I saw the M4 at BH too. I asked and he told me it was legal but I wouldn't personally chance it in this wonderful state Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wangsly 47 Posted August 7, 2011 I remember a retired police chief was telling me he bought an m4 from a police trade in and had to change from the pistol grip stock to a non pistol grip stock to make in NJ legal. This guy was also the head firearms guy for the prosecutors office. His interpretation on the law is the benelli m4 pistol grip stock is a no no. Although what an awesome shotgun. Wish I had $1500. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vladtepes 1,060 Posted August 12, 2011 don't know if ALL of you saw the outcome..but bullethole has since learned the gun is in fact not OK to sell in NJ.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pizza Bob 1,488 Posted August 12, 2011 don't know if ALL of you saw the outcome..but bullethole has since learned the gun is in fact not OK to sell in NJ.... Just wondered, from whom? And do they have it in writing to go with the gun when sold? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Caine 147 Posted August 12, 2011 Just wondered, from whom? And do they have it in writing to go with the gun when sold? http://njgunforums.com/forum/index.php?/topic/26373-benelli-m4-with-fixed-pistol-grip-stock/page__view__findpost__p__347865 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pizza Bob 1,488 Posted August 12, 2011 Sorry, my eyes skipped right over the "not' before the OK in Vlad's response. Sometimes we only see what we want to see Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PK90 3,569 Posted August 12, 2011 nevermind 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray Ray 3,566 Posted August 13, 2011 I wonder if they sold any and had to call the buyers back in. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vladtepes 1,060 Posted August 13, 2011 i give them credit for acknowledging the correct info.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MarkWVU02 47 Posted August 13, 2011 this state sucks...I held that Benelli last time i was at BH...what a sweet piece of shotty goodness. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HINCHMAN 4 Posted August 13, 2011 I brought this up 2 weeks ago about this gun in the BH. jeez this state is screwed when it comes to gun laws. The NJSP saying the law was incorrectly written, the placement of where the grip is...ugh... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PK90 3,569 Posted August 13, 2011 The 1990 law was clear on this. It was 1996 NJAG Verniero that muddied the water by issuing a guideline that contradicted it. Of course, that guideline was recently adapted into the admin code by the current administration. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hd2000fxdl 422 Posted August 13, 2011 don't know if ALL of you saw the outcome..but bullethole has since learned the gun is in fact NOT OK to sell in NJ.... Fixed that for ya. Harry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites