vladtepes 1,060 Posted October 26, 2011 Is *insert any semi automatic pistol" legal in NJ? In NJ you may not own an assault weapon.. (1) NJ bans a specific list of firearms that they consider assault weapons.. if the gun is listed by name.. you can NOT have it.. Quote "Assault firearms" means: 1. Any of the following firearms: Algimec AGM1 type Any shotgun with a revolving cylinder such as the "Street Sweeper" or "Striker 12" Armalite AR-180 type Australian Automatic Arms SAR Avtomat Kalashnikov type semi-automatic firearms Beretta AR-70 and BM59 semi-automatic firearms Bushmaster Assault Rifle Calico M-900 Assault carbine and M-900 CETME G3 Chartered Industries of Singapore SR-88 type Colt AR-15 and CAR-15 series Daewoo K-1, K-2, Max 1 and Max 2, AR 100 types Demro TAC-1 carbine type Encom MP-9 and MP-45 carbine types FAMAS MAS223 types FN-FAL, FN-LAR, or FN-FNC type semi-automatic firearms Franchi SPAS 12 and LAW 12 shotguns G3SA type Galil type Heckler and Koch HK91, HK93, HK94, MP5, PSG-1 Intratec TEC 9 and 22 semi-automatic firearms M1 carbine type M14S type MAC 10, MAC 11, MAC 11-9 mm carbine type firearms PJK M-68 carbine type Plainfield Machine Company Carbine Ruger K-Mini-14/5 F and Mini-14/5 RF SIG AMT, SIG 550SP, SIG 551SP, SIG PE-57 types SKS with detachable magazine type Spectre Auto carbine type Springfield Armory BM59 and SAR-48 type Sterling MK-6, MK-7 and SAR types Steyr A.U.G. semi-automatic firearms USAS 12 semi-automatic type shotgun Uzi type semi-automatic firearms Valmet M62, M71S, M76, or M78 type semi-automatic firearms Weaver Arm Nighthawk; If the pistol is not listed.. proceed to (2) (2) you may also not own a pistol that is "substantially identical" to those banned by name.. NJ defines substantially identical in the following way.. Quote A semi-automatic pistol that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least TWO of the following: (1) An ammunition magazine that attaches to the pistol outside of the pistol grip; (2) A threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel extender, flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer; (3) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles the barrel and that permits the shooter to hold the firearm with the non-trigger hand without being burned; (4) Manufactured weight of 50 ounces or more when the pistol is unloaded; and/or (5) A semi-automatic version of an automatic firearm all magazines must be 10 rounds or less If the gun is listed OR substantially identical as defined by NJ law you may not have the gun.. if not.. then you may own it.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maksim 1,504 Posted October 26, 2011 Made a sticky for the new people. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vladtepes 1,060 Posted October 26, 2011 Made a sticky for the new people. good deal.. I know it has been asked and answered a million times.. but having it in a simple to access obvious spot might help people unfamiliar with the laws.. obviously feel free to edit if I missed anything.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
le_boudin 2 Posted December 15, 2011 BTW recently I saw a Colt made AR-15 at Cheyenne Mountain Outfitters for $1300… I was surprised when they told me it’s perfectly legal… of course the stock was fixed, no bayo lug and no suppressor or compensator... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PK90 3,569 Posted December 15, 2011 A Colt Match Target is legal to own in NJ. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
le_boudin 2 Posted December 15, 2011 thank you... that was an eye opener... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IS45 1 Posted December 19, 2011 BTW recently I saw a Colt made AR-15 at Cheyenne Mountain Outfitters for $1300… I was surprised when they told me it’s perfectly legal… of course the stock was fixed, no bayo lug and no suppressor or compensator... I advised my friend to buy stag m3 over that colt,extra $400 for horse make no sense to me. + stag had MB & better handguard. He is very happy,with stag m3. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ymg200 1 Posted April 5, 2012 Regarding pistol evil features in NJ, See NJ AWB here: http://www.state.nj....title13ch54.pdf Below are exact words that preced the list of pistol evil features (50 oz, threaded barrel, etc). Capitalization in mine. "A semi-automatic firearm should be considered to be "substantially identical," that is, identical in all material respects, to a NAMED assault weapon if it meets the below listed criteria:" It clearly says "identical to a NAMED weapon". If it is not named, the whole "substantially identical" clause is irrelevant, along with the list of evil features the purpose of which is to identify whether the weapon is "substantially identical". Based on this, PLR-16 pistol should be legal in NJ. Same applies to VZ-61 pistol. Draco pistol, however, has AK action (which IS named in the AW list), so it can be argued that it is "substantially identical" because of the weight and barrel shroud. I know that this is an old topic, but I want to have clarity about PLR-16 in NJ. Any arguments are appreciated. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Qel Hoth 33 Posted April 5, 2012 While logically you are correct, that is not the way the AG or any prosecutor would interpret it, nor is it how it is written. A semi-automatic firearm should be considered to be "substantially identical," that is, identical in all material respects, to a named assault weapon if it meets the below listed criteria: B. a semi-automatic pistol that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least 2 of the following: an ammunition magazine that attaches to the pistol outside of the pistol grip; a threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel extender, flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer; a shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel and that permits the shooter to hold the firearm with the nontrigger hand without being burned; manufactured weight of 50 ounces or more when the pistol is unloaded; and a semi-automatic version of an automatic firearm; The type of action is never mentioned in the criteria for what constitutes an assault firearm. If the handgun (rifle, shotgun) has any two of the listed criteria, it is "materially identical" to any of the weapons banned by name, and is therefore also banned. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maksim 1,504 Posted April 5, 2012 Regarding pistol evil features in NJ, See NJ AWB here: http://www.state.nj....title13ch54.pdf Below are exact words that preced the list of pistol evil features (50 oz, threaded barrel, etc). Capitalization in mine. "A semi-automatic firearm should be considered to be "substantially identical," that is, identical in all material respects, to a NAMED assault weapon if it meets the below listed criteria:" It clearly says "identical to a NAMED weapon". If it is not named, the whole "substantially identical" clause is irrelevant, along with the list of evil features the purpose of which is to identify whether the weapon is "substantially identical". Based on this, PLR-16 pistol should be legal in NJ. Same applies to VZ-61 pistol. Draco pistol, however, has AK action (which IS named in the AW list), so it can be argued that it is "substantially identical" because of the weight and barrel shroud. I know that this is an old topic, but I want to have clarity about PLR-16 in NJ. Any arguments are appreciated. Except NJ also has limits for pistols, including weight. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ymg200 1 Posted April 5, 2012 David, <quote> If the handgun (rifle, shotgun) has any two of the listed criteria, it is "materially identical" to any of the weapons banned by name </quote> It does not say ANY, it says NAMED. It says Identical " to a named assault weapon". The word Weapon is in the singular form, not plural, so you have to name a weapon from the list. This is according to the letter of the law. I've heard reports of PLR-16 seen in NJ gun shops, and I believe that owners just read the law as is. If you say that this law is being applied differently from the way that it was written, do you know of any precedent that this has happened? Regards, ymg200 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PK90 3,569 Posted April 5, 2012 David, If the handgun (rifle, shotgun) has any two of the listed criteria, it is "materially identical" to any of the weapons banned by name It does not say ANY, it says NAMED. It says Identical " to a named assault weapon". The word Weapon is in the singular form, not plural, so you have to name a weapon from the list. This is according to the letter of the law. I've heard reports of PLR-16 seen in NJ gun shops, and I believe that owners just read the law as is. If you say that this law is being applied differently from the way that it was written, do you know of any precedent that this has happened? You are 100% correct. That is what the previous AG's opinion said and what the Administration Code says. BUT, the current administration says "ALL" firearms must meet the same criteria as stated above, i.e. only one evil feature. This was right from the horses NJSP's mouth. I was told that, as were many NJ dealers across the state. Some choose to ignore this, but some don't want to end up in court. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlueLineFish 615 Posted June 2, 2012 I am assuming the pps-43c is not legal. Was looking at one on classic arms website. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Black Ops 1 Posted December 14, 2012 I just ordered a Sig P226 X-Five 40 L1. When I asked about the P226 X-Five 9mm, I was told that it was illegal in NJ because it had a 19 round mag capacity. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blizzzarddemon 0 Posted January 6, 2013 Kriss vector sdp 45acp comes with glock 13 round mag http://www.kriss-usa.com/pistols/vector-sdp-45-acp Sent from my DROID RAZR using Tapatalk 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sw41 0 Posted March 30, 2013 I hate to ask this question but are .22 competition pistols such as the Hammerli SP20, Benelli MP95 and Pardini SP1 legal in NJ? They all have magazines outside the pistol grip but I am not sure whether they would be considered to have a barrel shroud for purposes of NJ law. The barrel is covered but they are not designed to be held by the front and in fact not designed to be used 2 handed at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlueLineFish 615 Posted March 30, 2013 Kriss vector sdp 45acp comes with glock 13 round mag http://www.kriss-usa.com/pistols/vector-sdp-45-acp Sent from my DROID RAZR using Tapatalk 2 If over 50 oz not legal Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gunguy1960 2 Posted March 31, 2013 When logic and common sense collide with laws written by emotional people who know nothing about the items they are writing about, and who also know nothing about the constitution, when it suits their political needs. Welcome to nj gun laws. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blizzzarddemon 0 Posted December 3, 2013 http://www.edgearms.com/reliant/ i wonder if this will be legal once it come out Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blizzzarddemon 0 Posted December 6, 2013 Any idea Sent from my SM-N900V using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PK90 3,569 Posted December 6, 2013 It is not even a semi-auto, so why post it in this thread? Anyway, yes, it would be legal, just like a revolver. But, why not buy a COP, instead of that mouse gun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blizzzarddemon 0 Posted December 6, 2013 Aren't the cop 357 magnum rare and hard to find I do not have a lot of money and will have apartment fees as in rent and food and what not soon and I'm hoping to be in pa so no permit but might end up in jersey still not sure Sent from my SM-N900V using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blizzzarddemon 0 Posted December 10, 2013 I would like a cop if I can find one for a good price and I will file for a permit when I change my address Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blizzzarddemon 0 Posted March 28, 2015 are any of the masterpiece arms pistols jersey legal http://masterpiecearms.com/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krdshrk 3,871 Posted March 28, 2015 I believe the MPA930 is... yeah... or at least, specific models with specific "accessories" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Avalanche 42 Posted July 5, 2018 "Bushmaster Assault Rifle" What exactly does this mean? Bushmaster AR variants are indeed legal. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GunsnFreedom 245 Posted July 5, 2018 2 hours ago, Avalanche said: "Bushmaster Assault Rifle" What exactly does this mean? Bushmaster AR variants are indeed legal. That's pretty funny. I never noticed that. Does that mean we can "technically" own one due to a flaw in the law? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nondisclosure 55 Posted July 7, 2018 Probably could own it under a pistol permit. Lol Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nondisclosure 55 Posted July 7, 2018 So if I'm reading the semi automatic pistol laws correctly (I'm not a lawyer but I can read) , I could technically; use an "ar15" lower receiver transferred as a pistol, Then make it a single shot, thus not creating a semi auto-automatic ar15 pistol- via http://originalbobsled.com/ARSleds.aspx This single shot sled in conjunction with a "fixed mag" kit would seem to make the ar15 pistol legal as the fixed mag bullet button requires tools and disassembly. how feasible is this? Because it's not a "semi auto assault pistol" (God these laws are stupid), this seems to be legal no? Would any FFL and or smith be willing to verify this and or attempt this? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites