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I didn't get in.

 

Seriously? Dude, you are there all the time shooting with us, that's a bummer. Heck, I thought you were a member.

 

Wait until the spring, I'll guest you in and we'll bust some clays!

 

You get to show me your sporting clays skillz at Lehigh next month.

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I gave you a -1 because there's no reason to close the thread just because a few people have complaints about how things were handled today. Let it play out however it's going to play out.

 

Don't take it personally.

 

Pete, I am not taking anything personally, actually I was more worried about some people making decisions or comments while things were still hot off the stove so to speak.

 

Also to show what I was thinking about and was trying to avoid, well Ray is the first who is making a decision to not continue with the club. I enjoy shooting with him and so do a lot of others who we all have been squadding together with. I saw this coming and didn't want to see things like that happen.

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I was ray's ride so when I got shitcanned he had to leave too. I felt bad because he is pretty much a member and had to leave. It's hard to shoot clays from a moving truck on the turnpike.

 

No, either you are a member or you or not. I love shooting with Ray and some of the other forum members here. I had no idea he was not a member. I would like to see him become one, but that is up to him. It is a long ride for you guys though unlike me of Harry that live right around the corner. If I could have rescheduled my meeting I could have guested both of you in, sorry you didn't get to see the place and shoot with other forum members.

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Ray is a probationary member.

 

Uggg. That is why he couldn't Guest someone in and that someone was his ride and didn't have a member to Guest him in.

 

I have a friend that wanted to come to the outdoor range when I was a Proby and told him I couldn't bring him in so he came during a Shotgun day to check the place out with me.

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Wow, sounds like so much drama! Kind of glad I didn't drive almost 2 hours just to get booted out, or to be involved in the drama. Although it would have been fun to get most of my arsenal out and shoot with everyone.

 

Whoever made it in, sounds like you guys had fun...glad to hear that! For the ones that didn't have fun, sorry...sounds like an uncomfortable situation.

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I just wish to post that the day went quite well from my perspective. My function yesterday was Range Safety Officer. In first reading this thread, I felt that there was a need for a RO to help things run smoothly so I stepped-up to help. I brought my clay thrower to make things easier & safer at the shotgun range, and it did it's job. I met some really nice folks that are quite a decent shot (as well as being SAFE) and hope that they become members. I helped one guest fix a feeding problem with his shotgun. The highlight of my day was coaching a member's son in shooting my Garrand and seeing a big smile across his kisser! And his Dad's too! This is what our club is all about.

 

Our members made sure that their guests did the right thing. ALL club Range Rules were adhered to. Kudos to Harry for running the mini safety meeting prior to using the ranges. Everyone was SAFE, eagerly obeyed all Range Commands, had a great time and policed all of their brass & hulls as well as rusted steel cases left by others. In addition, the garbage barrels from shotgun range, ranges 4,5,6 and 7 were dumped into the dumpster, leaving the place cleaner than you found it. Kudos on the clean-up!

 

In reality there really wasn't a lot of you new folks there. I recognized several probationary members that just shot the PPC league last Friday evening. Pits 1,2,3,4 and 7 went unused by your group, and Pit 5 was being used by other members & 1 guest. The shotgun range was used until about 11:00 or so, then cleaned-up. Other members & their guests came, shot & left without incident, as it should be.

 

In closing, I feel that the Board acted wisely in protecting the interests of the Old Bridge Rifle & Pistol Club. Four of us donated our time yesterday to allow this event to happen. NONE of us are Range Nazis! We're just volunteers trying to see that our single page of Range Rules are adhered to. May I suggest that any future "Meet-Ups" be proposed by a group of our members, to the Board, for Board approval, as Jim Norman said in a previous post. Our Board is very willing to listen to its' members. The diversity of shooting opportunities exhibited in our leagues and other shooting events is proof of that.

 

Dave Rosenthal, Member-at-Large

Board of Trustees

Old Bridge Rifle & Pistol Club

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Warning: WALL OF TEXT :p

 

Even though I'm a new member to OBPRC and I did not participate in this "meet up," I feel somewhat compelled to reply as well.

 

Rules are rules, gentlemen, and none of us should exploit them. Will it hurt "the club" if an extra guest walk onto the property? Probably not, but you joined this place for a reason, and are bout by its rules and regulations. Sure. we can all "let one slip by" here and there, but I think the club, much like most of its members, operate on certain principles. By all means do your friend(s) a favor and take them out for a day of shooting. And when you do, remember what you have to go though to be at this place and remember that everyone should be treated equally. Therefore, no one should feel offended when you tell them that you may only bring them out twice, and then they CAN join the club themselves. I hate to make military/etc comparisons here, but if we all start braking the "chain of command" (rules, in this case) then the whole thing may very well come apart.

I don't blame Dave/stakeholders for taking certain measures upon learning of "the gathering" which was to take place-judging from what challenges they have and do see. I think it would have been much more "professional" to state his/their indented action in this thread for everyone's viewing, and then I think no one should have had a single reason to question what the "club" is doing. Perhaps in the future such matters will be addressed in a better fashion.

 

As for everyone else....

One of my best friends lives a block away from the club, and is a member. I could easily pass (and pretend to be) for his brother/etc and get in for free every single time. I don't. I signed up and pay(d) just like everyone else to be one of the guys. I call it integrity - you call it what you wish.

From what I read in this thread (and i read every single reply) not everyone got it and some people may feel they have been treated unjustly...consider yourselves guests @ the statehouse. Whoever invited you IS responsible for you. And even though all the members who organized this meet and had the very best intentions, may have not realized certain "traps" they fell into. What I really want to say is this-no one should feel guilty about someone being left out, or unable to get in. No one should make anyone else feel guilty because they were not able to get in. This ain't "Obamacare" here guys (and I only use the term here very loosely, to highlight my premise, so please don't get hung up on a single word). No hand outs, no charity. All of us are trusted enough by our ************* (fill in the blanks as you wish) government to posses and use firearms in this ************ (again, fill them in, heheh) state. We are if anythign that one notch above many others; OBPRC (or any other club for that matter) raises that bareven higher; you-as an individual , should bring it even higher.

Where does it get you?

Some people may not agree with you; some may not like you. Some may think it should not be a big deal that you bring them in every weekend-after all, who's gonna know...............right? Maybe no one-we certainly don't want/need security gourds 24/7 to monitor who going in and out.

It is my personal opinion that certain honor code is followed in many circles...and this one is no exception.

So, in summary, members-don't feel bad if you didn't get someone in, just because you think you're doing the right thing - you ARE doing the right thing.

Guests, take the opportunities given to you by the club and/or its members but please, do not hold a grudge against anyone (or any event) when you/they couldn't do as you please.

 

As for the conduct of certain people @ the outdoor range........I hate to say it (because I truly am a new member as well), but even I have noticed a "couple of people" of seem to think they own the place. At this point am I not willing to identify myself just yet, but make no mistake, it should not matter. On two separate occasions I was a witness to certain comments towards myself or others, from some individuals (2, to be precise) who felt compelled top "school" other on what to do. This wasn't about safety, or questionable use of ranger and/or firearms, but general behavior. As some one (or more) have noticed, I also noted that condescending tone of voice and elitist "do what I say" attitude.

I had my badge clearly displayed, and wasn't doing anything to warrant reprimand or even a comment - yet felt I was treated as a "no0b." I must repeat what someone else who wrote in this thread before-just b/c you don't know me doesn't mean you're an ounce better than me. Respect, and you will be respected-otherwise this whole thing doesn't make sense.

So, Dave (in case you didn't notice I was writing this whole paragraph for you), I hope you not only watch out for what the rank and file members are up to, but also keep an eye on those who think they have the right to push others around, only because they have been there for who knows how long (or participate how much). I think everyone who holds that badge is equal, and deserves the same amount of respect.

The next time someone tell me that "the dumpster is over there" and I SHOULD clean up when I'm done (pointing to a full barrel, which was full before I got there) I won't feel compelled to "keep it down" and comply, just because "someone" said to. As I stated above-respect and be respected-it goes both ways.

 

It sounds that everyone who was @ the range that day had a good and safe time, and no one seems to dispute that. Great.

My wall of text, even if too long and perhaps confusing art times, has only a single purpose: newcomers -please respect the VERY rules you one day may uphold; members - don't feel obligated to "bend" any rules you agreed to uphold, and to the "club" - respect and you shall be respected in return.

-99

 

PS:

You may commence you bashing/flamig/etc now............ :)

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There's only one of me, and when you figure out who I am-you'll know. But for now (and as stated above) it doesn't matter.

Consider my words "reflections of an outsider-looking from within." :p

 

We're all in this together-no matte how close we are.

Times are only getting tougher, and a little but of cooperation, understanding, respect and civility truly go a long way....be it at a gun club, traffic stop, post office, supermarket or playground.

 

Do not be afraid to go back to the basics,and perhaps we all will find ourselves in between.

-99

 

PS:

Geez-do I sound MLK-ish today or what?!

;)

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PPS:

I was't going to say anything before-because you all should know better, but consider this: if all of you (members or not) were to meet anywhere outside of the range itself to the sole purpose of gathering together..to ride in together, and were stopped/questioned by [call it]overzealous LEO - you all may very well end up behind bars.

I don't want o sound like a hard-a**/etc, but laws are laws, and you/we all choose to follow or break them at our choice.

.,..and when group mentality takes over-who knows what may happen (yes, I'm talking to you whoever suggested you all meet up @ a coffee/whatever shop before you all drive into the range. Legally..........well, you all whoudl know the laws by now, so I don't need to repeat them.

;)

-99

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This issue is basically dead.

 

this

 

So you are saying it is "unreasonable" to stop for a coffee on the way to the range when it is freezing out? I have no horse in this race, just seeking clarification. Heck, I don't even drink coffee.

 

according to the law, yes.... or maybe no? nobody knows.

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So you are saying it is "unreasonable" to stop for a coffee on the way to the range when it is freezing out? I have no horse in this race, just seeking clarification. Heck, I don't even drink coffee.

John,

I believe so. Your intend (as a group) may not be malicious, etc and I do realized there is no harm in it....but I don't think the law sees this in the same light.

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong here.

 

Here's a quote from "NJ Law Summary" thread in the other section:

"g. All weapons being transported under paragraph (2) of subsection b.,

subsection e., or paragraph (1) or (3) of subsection f. of this section shall be carried

unloaded and contained in a closed and fastened case, gunbox, securely tied package,

or locked in the trunk of the automobile in which it is being transported, and in the

course of travel shall include only such deviations as are reasonably necessary under

the circumstances."

Now, in the eyes of the law - do you/anyone honestly believe that such a meet up/waiting at a coffee shop is legal?

I don't.

 

 

Imagine a cop pull up and just casually strike up a conversation, b/c there's 15 guys sitting around (half probably dressed in camo/etc)... nothing wrong with either side's actions. Imagine some one mentions guns/shooting/range/etc, then the cop asks any one of you a couple of questions.

Then imagine he asks if anyone gathered here has any firearms, either on their persons or in their vehicles.

Now-would you be really surprised if he called in for backup, and escalated that situation, learning that he just discovered 15 people with a "ton" of firepower in their cars/trucks, just sitting around a coffee shop?

See where I'm going with this?

 

Perhaps in another state/life/time we wouldn't have to even say or consider sh** like this at all; unfortunately times are what they are, and we live where we live - play by the rules or get burned...and as everyone knows firearms are not toys, and punishment for illegal use/transport/etc can really impact my/your life in a VERY profound way.

I'm not trying to be a wise-a** here, nor do I want to sound like anyone's father/etc - just a friendly reminder.

For what it's worth....

-99

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99, I wasn't so much asking it in this group meetup scenario as much as a general "I am going to the range to shoot and want to stop and pick up some food for lunch or a hot coffee" scenario?

 

I went to a range in PA last weekend and people were pulling into the parking lot, opening their trunks, pulling their carry weapon out of their holsters, unloading them and putting them in a case to go in and shoot. And I was thinking "Sh!t, I can't even stop at Wawa on the way to Ft Dix!" :( Aah! to live in a free state!

 

As far as these group meets, we have been spanked at CJ and OB so I hope any organizers have learned that you have to go and ask "pretty please" before putting on these events. rofl.gif

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Hey guys - As the unofficial "organizer" of this, I have to apologize to Ray and BlueLineFish, as well as to the OBRPC Board and anyone else who had issues from this. I originally had thought that since Harry wanted to try his hand at clay busting, that we could go and use my thrower and have a little fun.

 

I've been trying to organize people and get people together at meets and everything and I guess I completely glossed over the fact that it's a private club and there are rules that I don't know about. The interest got so big that this whole thing rather snowballed, as well. I didn't know that there were issues recently at the club where people weren't following the rules and therefore they were requiring some stricter enforcement.

 

I had originally thought we would have enough members to cover all of the guests that wanted to go, but unfortunately I didn't take into consideration that some members were still probationary and could only get themselves in. We did have some people who had not been to the club before who enjoyed what they saw, which was an upside that day.

 

Again, I apologize to Ray, BLF, and OBRPC for causing so much confusion and bad blood. I would like to say that I have been considering joining the club as well, but unfortunately monetary concerns at this time are preventing me (damned shiny rocks costing way too much money than they should). Hopefully I should be able to scrape enough together to join later this year, as I do like the club and the facilities and events available.

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Changes in my work schedule have made getting to Range 14 problamatic and I want to join either CJ or OB in the spring. I almost took Monday off to go with the group to check out OB. Glad I didn't now. I will wait for the mood to cool down a bit and then go and check it out. I will make sure not to wear my NJGF shirt so they let me in. ;)

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I'm a little afraid to reply to this topic! understandably it is a heated discussion at times. But, since i was one of the fortunate ones who made it in on Monday (thank you Alec) I just wanted to let everyone know that I had a very nice day and learned a lot from many of you. It is nice to have people take the time to explain things to me even if they are the smallest of questions. You guys are a great bunch and I am really thinking about joining. If I did not get the opportunity to come out and shoot with ya's I would not feel as I do. Atmosphere is everything and you guys made me feel right at home, thank you!! Looking forward to shooting with you all soon, you too Ray, missed ya hun!!

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It's a good club and like all clubs it has it's rules. Ray couldn't guest anyone in that was not a spouse or child since he is a Proby, we members were in all in that same situation at one time. I could have guested two in, but couldn't make it, that would have covered Rays buddy. Kinda stinks with what happened since Ray and Harry are good RO's, so is Rosey. Anyone that gets a chance to shoot with any of those guys can certainly learn a lot.

 

Next time we try to do something like this we approach the board first with our intentions and any member that wants to participate will bring in a guset or two and be responsible for their guests the entire time they are there (which is how the rules are written). Each member can bring the same guest twice, that is it. But, those guests can also come during ANY open shooting event there on their own, no member needed as an escort. There are PLENTY of shooting events, indoor and outdoor which are open to the public.

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I'm a little afraid to reply to this topic! understandably it is a heated discussion at times. But, since i was one of the fortunate ones who made it in on Monday (thank you Alec) I just wanted to let everyone know that I had a very nice day and learned a lot from many of you. It is nice to have people take the time to explain things to me even if they are the smallest of questions. You guys are a great bunch and I am really thinking about joining. If I did not get the opportunity to come out and shoot with ya's I would not feel as I do. Atmosphere is everything and you guys made me feel right at home, thank you!! Looking forward to shooting with you all soon, you too Ray, missed ya hun!!

Thanks for the compliments. YOU are the reason I donated my day. I'm glad that you picked-up on all of the comaraderie in just your first visit. As a good friend of mine (a fellow Board Member) has been often quoted, "Old Bridge is a group of Shooters that have a Club, NOT just a Club that has members". The difference is the difference!

 

Our Membership Committee runs it's monthly Sign-Up & Safety Check on the second Sunday of each month, starting PROMPTLY at 9:00 am at the Indoor Range. Best to plan on being there at 8:45 or before, so you get a good place to park and arrive on time. Bring your checkbook, a handgun (NO magnum loads) & ammo in a separate container, along with your NJ FID. The orientation lasts about 2 hours, with the Membership Committee doing a great job explaining the Range Rules and making sure that you're SAFE with the gun you've brought. You can give us a deposit and walk out with your credentials on the same day, all in one shot, as it's run very efficiently by dedicated volunteers.

 

Hoping that you strongly consider membership. Nice shooting with you.

 

Dave Rosenthal

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