And so it begins ... the 2012 legislative session in Trenton

[njJoniGuy 2,131]

The following bill(s) have been scheduled for a committee or a legislative session.

A588:

1/30/2012 2:00:00 PM Law and Public Safety

The Chairman will hear testimony from representatives of invited organizations and agencies to address the committee on their policy concerns for the current session.

Committee Room 16, 4th Floor, State House Annex, Trenton, NJ

 

http://www.njleg.sta...BillNumber=A588

 

This bill would make the possession of a new generation of handgun ammunition which poses a special threat to the law enforcement community because it has a capacity to breach or penetrate body armor a crime of the fourth degree.

Under current federal and State law, hollow nose or dum-dum bullets are prohibited, as are bullets which are Teflon-coated or which have specially hardened metal jackets or cores.

Police officers recently encountered a new and highly destructive bullet. The SS190AP ammunition for the Five-seveN Tactical handgun is uniquely designed. It is a full metal jacketed bullet, but utilizes two metal inserts. The tip of the bullet has a steel penetrator which is followed by an aluminum core. The weight relationship between the two metals causes the bullet to tumble in soft body tissue, resulting in massive and, in many instances, deadly wounds.

But it is not just the substantial body trauma these bullets can cause that makes them a special threat to the law enforcement community. When fired from the Five-seveN handgun, the SS190AP bullet can penetrate 48 layers of Kevlar (the protective material used to make many types of body armor). SO SAYETH THE BILL'S LIBTARD SPONSORS

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Mainor, Charles - Chair

Wilson, Gilbert L. - Vice-Chair

Albano, Nelson T.

Benson, Daniel R.

Connors, Sean

Cryan, Joseph

Kean, Sean T.

McGuckin, Gregory P.

Peterson, Erik

Rible, David P.

Watson Coleman, Bonnie View Votes

[Vlad G 345]

Hmm you mean the ammo you can't import, and which FN will only rarely sell to military and leo only and when you find it on the open market it costs about $200+ per box of 50?

 

Sure, its a stupid law but in the great scheme of things if this is how they want to spend their time I say go for it, they could be doing a lot more damage if they actually knew what the hell they were talking about.

[Cemeterys Gun Blob 165]

Can this bill be applied towards current ammo used and sold in NJ?

 

I wouldn't doubt that they would try to use it as such.

[Vlad G 345]

So here is the wording it adds

 

or (3) any person, other than a law enforcement officer, who

knowingly has in his possession handgun ammunition which (a) has

a full metal jacket and an ogive with a steel penetrator tip followed

by an aluminum core and is 1 therefore capable of breaching or

penetrating body armor, or (b) after testing, the Attorney General

determines poses a threat to the safety and well being of law

enforcement officers because of the materials, be they metallic or

nonmetallic, used in its composition or because its ogive, core or

jacket are of a design, construction or formulation which makes it

capable of breaching or penetrating body armor,

 

The first part doesn't worry me as armor piercing handgun ammo is already not really an issue, it isn't something you can really buy. The part b) is a bit more dangerous because it basically says that the AG can pick ANY ammo and determining it is a thread to well being of law enforcement, hell maybe even airsoft pellets would be a threat to their well being.

 

The real trick is the wording earlier though .. "handgun ammo" .. what is handgun ammo? As you can buy a .223 AR type handgun, now .223 ammo is handgun ammo and pretty much any of it will penetrate body armor. Bolt action .308 handgun? Well then .. all .308 ammo is now armor piercing.

 

Also .. what is body armor? SAPI plates? A wool shirt? There is no definition of penetration level we are talking about here.

 

So I take it back, yes this is stupid and dangerous.

[hd2000fxdl 422]

Hmm you mean the ammo you can't import, and which FN will only rarely sell to military and leo only and when you find it on the open market it costs about $200+ per box of 50?

 

Sure, its a stupid law but in the great scheme of things if this is how they want to spend their time I say go for it, they could be doing a lot more damage if they actually knew what the hell they were talking about.

 

It's a step in the wrong direction no matter if it in it's current forum doesn't impact anything currently available to the general public, it's what happens next, you know, the next "Common Sense" addition to it.

[Cemeterys Gun Blob 165]

Thanks for the heads up.

 

Anybody hear anything about this from any of the gun rights groups here in NJ?

[njJoniGuy 2,131]

It only got sent to my email overnight

But no word about it (other than my own post on arfcom) from any of the 2A groups

[Wildbob 14]

Curious as to how police "encountered" this round. Did they see it in action or just read about it somewhere?

 

BTW, both of my Assembly reps are on this list.

[njJoniGuy 2,131]

...BTW, both of my Assembly reps are on this list.

Please contact both of them and urge them to keep this bill tabled.

 

These rounds are already illegal

This bill will give the Atty General discretionary powers to make ANY round he/she chooses illegal

 

Is this the Soviet Union or the United States of America??

[Cemeterys Gun Blob 165]

Curious as to how police "encountered" this round. Did they see it in action or just read about it somewhere?

 

They read about it from a list of brady **** talking points. Being able to, like, actually 'think' is not required to be part of government.

[Cemeterys Gun Blob 165]

Is this the Soviet Union or the United States of America??

 

Neither. This is NJ.

 

I wish it was the Soviet Union.........

 

:girlwacko:

[mikelets456 78]

Hmm you mean the ammo you can't import, and which FN will only rarely sell to military and leo only and when you find it on the open market it costs about $200+ per box of 50?

 

Sure, its a stupid law but in the great scheme of things if this is how they want to spend their time I say go for it, they could be doing a lot more damage if they actually knew what the hell they were talking about.

 

These laws are awesome as it will stop criminals from buying these items and protect innocent tax paying citizens...keep the laws coming, for our protection, of course.

 

I swear, these freaking politicians have no clue!

[BOOMSTICK 6]

These laws are awesome as it will stop criminals from buying these items and protect innocent tax paying citizens...keep the laws coming, for our protection, of course.

 

I swear, these freaking politicians have no clue!

 

No... They have a clue. They just go wherever gets money handed to them.

[GiantsFan 22]

No... They have a clue. They just go wherever gets money handed to them.

Exactly, they're ALL scum-bums...

[hd2000fxdl 422]

Neither. This is the PR of NJ.

 

 

 

Fixed that for ya..

[avc8130 4]

Neither. This is NJ.

 

I wish it was the Soviet Union.........

 

:girlwacko:

 

Awesome.