zoid 24 Posted April 8, 2012 If you have a DA/SA gun is it allowed to thumb the hammer back after you draw for the first shot? Or do you have to take the first shot in double action? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ian S 22 Posted April 8, 2012 You don't think it'd be quicker to take the DA shot? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krdshrk 3,872 Posted April 8, 2012 Yes, it is allowed. The condition of the gun is when it's in the holster. After you draw, you can cock the hammer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BarkNBite 15 Posted April 8, 2012 That's right.............either way.......is OK. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
heaterbob 53 Posted April 8, 2012 DA is the faster first shot Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krdshrk 3,872 Posted April 8, 2012 DA is the faster first shot True, however it depends on the stage. Some you may have time to do it. Others, if it's a close range target, it's faster to shoot the first shot DA. Honestly - it comes down to your choice. For longer range first shots, sometimes I will cock the hammer so it's a SA shot. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zoid 24 Posted April 11, 2012 Yep I was asking for the stages where you may start off with a far steel plate or other target. It may be worth it to thumb the hammer back rather than waste time and ammo missing. I'm pretty good with double action but only up to 15 yd or so. After that I'd feel more confident in single action. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2Alpha 6 Posted April 11, 2012 why not just learn how to shoot instead Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tactical Monkey 51 Posted April 11, 2012 why not just learn how to shoot instead Why not just say nothing if you have nothing nice to say? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ronhonda 86 Posted April 11, 2012 I think what 2alpha is trying to say is, that it probably would be best if you shot the gun after you draw in DA. Cocking the hammer back could waste time and introduce something else that could go wrong. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hiker88 22 Posted April 11, 2012 I don't think there's anything negative to what 2alpha said as well. Ideally, it's faster to shoot DA and then SA. The only issue is the accuracy of the first DA shot. It needs to be learned through plenty of practice. But as already mentioned in the earlier posts, if you wish to cock the hammer back for the first shot, it is allowed and may be done in competition. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2Alpha 6 Posted April 11, 2012 Why not just say nothing if you have nothing nice to say? I didn't know this was kindergarden and grown men would get butt hurt. Zoid is progressing well in competition shooting, there is no need for him to handicap himself by not being able to shoot DA at any distance. Thumbing back the hammer is a crutch that will do nothing by reverse any progress he has made.....ie, he needs to learn how to shoot Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zoid 24 Posted April 11, 2012 I didn't know this was kindergarden and grown men would get butt hurt. Zoid is progressing well in competition shooting, there is no need for him to handicap himself by not being able to shoot DA at any distance. Thumbing back the hammer is a crutch that will do nothing by reverse any progress he has made.....ie, he needs to learn how to shoot My butt is rather hurt. LOL! Nah, it's true, more practice is the key. Did I shoot with you before 2Alpha at Old Bridge or something? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tactical Monkey 51 Posted April 11, 2012 Zoid is progressing well in competition shooting, there is no need for him to handicap himself by not being able to shoot DA at any distance. Thumbing back the hammer is a crutch that will do nothing by reverse any progress he has made.....ie, he needs to learn how to shoot And was that so hard to type? A clear, concise statement expressing your thoughts- in which you even managed to complement him. Had that been your original repose, I would of said nothing. Butt hurt?? ...really Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MrP 81 Posted April 17, 2012 Becoming comfortable with the DA pull is really important. I used to have the same temptation to thumb the hammer back for an initial long shot. I practiced enough with just DA shots that I'm now equally accurate, if not MORE accurate (if I take my time) than in SA. With a DA shot, if you know your gun well enough you can predict just when the shot will break and there will be no resistance like in SA, to throw your sights off. This article was helpful to me: http://www.craigcent...com/fearnot.htm Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vjf915 456 Posted April 18, 2012 No sympathy from me. I've got a DA pull every time from a striker fired gun. Deal with it Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zoid 24 Posted April 20, 2012 No sympathy from me. I've got a DA pull every time from a striker fired gun. Deal with it That's totally different though from a DA on a Sig/Beretta/HK. I usually use a Glock but have been wanting to use my other guns that are DA/SA. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vjf915 456 Posted April 20, 2012 That's totally different though from a DA on a Sig/Beretta/HK. I usually use a Glock but have been wanting to use my other guns that are DA/SA. I can't speak for an HK or Sig, but the DA pull on my Beretta was MUCH smoother. And that's only for the FIRST shot, not every shot. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray Ray 3,566 Posted April 21, 2012 I think what 2alpha is trying to say is, that it probably would be best if you shot the gun after you draw in DA. Cocking the hammer back could waste time and introduce something else that could go wrong. This Learn the DA and SA triggers on your firearm. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zoid 24 Posted May 8, 2012 Finally used my Beretta in a practice USPSA match at Tenafly. I didn't thumb the hammer back cause I wanted to know how well I'd do in DA. Plus the whole process is very unnatural to do. I think I pull the DA shot low. So for 10 - 15 yd it'd be a 'C' hit. For steel plates I had to take a second shot in SA to get the first hit. All-in-all definitely need some more practice, but it's not as bad as I thought. Overall the gun was very accurate and great to use in a match. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
raz-0 1,256 Posted May 9, 2012 True, however it depends on the stage. Some you may have time to do it. Others, if it's a close range target, it's faster to shoot the first shot DA. Honestly - it comes down to your choice. For longer range first shots, sometimes I will cock the hammer so it's a SA shot. Yeah, but are you winning production? Are you above B? DA first shot is a skill you WILL need to progress and to win. If there are situations where the DA pull is that bad, then you probably need to reconsider your gun of choice. Just because it may not be the easiest skill to get down is no excuse for trying to skip an essential skill. Manually cocking the hammer Fs with your grip. F with your grip and you F with EVERYTHING. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Smokin .50 1,907 Posted May 9, 2012 Yeah, but are you winning production? Are you above B? DA first shot is a skill you WILL need to progress and to win. If there are situations where the DA pull is that bad, then you probably need to reconsider your gun of choice. Just because it may not be the easiest skill to get down is no excuse for trying to skip an essential skill. Manually cocking the hammer Fs with your grip. F with your grip and you F with EVERYTHING. There's another +1 I can't give you Matt! Anyway, very well said! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites