jgofnj 5 Posted July 4, 2012 I want to sell a gun to an out of state resident (Kansas). I know I have to deal through the person's home state dealer, and he has an FFL. Can I ship directly to the FFL? or do I need to go through my FFL in NJ to ship to the buyer's FFL in Kansas? 1. Handgun purchases by ....A. NJ resident from ........(1) NJ dealer = NICS check with a P2P and Photo ID ........(2) NJ resident = face to face with a P2P with Photo ID suggested ........(3) Out-of-state dealer = must be transferred through NJ dealer - Refer 1A(1) ........(4) Out-of-state resident = must be transferred through NJ dealer - Refer 1A(1) ....B. Out-of-state resident from ........(1) NJ dealer = must be transferred through buyer's home state dealer ........(2) NJ resident = must be transferred through buyer's home state dealer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MattH 0 Posted July 4, 2012 That would depend on if his FFL will accept a non-FFL transfer. Some dealers will only accept from other dealers. As fr the legailty of it, you can ship it yourself just has to be through a carrier other than USPS, only a licensed FFL can ship firearms through the United States Postal Service. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GRIZ 3,365 Posted July 4, 2012 As Matt said it depends if the out of state FFL will accept a shipment from a non-ffl. The other issue would be if you bought this handgun while a NJ resident on a P2P. If you ship it directly to an out of state FFL the gun will still be registered to you with NJSP. The only sure way I know the gun will be "unregistered" to you is if you have a NJ FFL ship the gun for you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jgofnj 5 Posted July 4, 2012 And what do I need to verify from the buyer? I understand in NJ I would need to see his P2P and verify that his DL match. But Kansas doesn't have the P2P requirement like NJ does and I have no idea how to find out what the laws are there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GRIZ 3,365 Posted July 4, 2012 If the guy were in NJ, NJSP would transfer it when they got their copy of the P2P. I would call NJSP firearms to find out what they would need if you transferred a handgun to an out of state FFL. KS laws are not material here, registration with NJ is. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PK90 3,569 Posted July 4, 2012 Not your concern if the buyer is not elligible to purchase. You get the money and ship the gun to the dealer. Unless it is falsely advertised, your part is done. Sent from my DROID4. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anselmo 87 Posted July 4, 2012 And what do I need to verify from the buyer? I understand in NJ I would need to see his P2P and verify that his DL match. But Kansas doesn't have the P2P requirement like NJ does and I have no idea how to find out what the laws are there. Exactly what PK90 said, You're responsibility is to get to the FFL. After that, it's up to the out of state FFL to verify whatever needs to be verified. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jgofnj 5 Posted July 4, 2012 Thank you all. I verified that the FFL will take a direct transfer from me. The buyer sent me the FFL papers and it looks just like what my FFL has me send out when I bought a gun from out of state. So I am good to go. Thanks again. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GRIZ 3,365 Posted July 5, 2012 I was not trying to imply there was anything wrong with shipping the gun to the out of state FFL only addressing the NJ registration. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pizza Bob 1,488 Posted July 5, 2012 It's a good idea to verify the FFL. Simple to do; go here... https://www.atfonline.gov/fflezcheck/fflSearchDisplay.do ...and plug in the numbers. Adios, Pizza Bob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jgofnj 5 Posted July 5, 2012 It's a good idea to verify the FFL. Simple to do; go here... https://www.atfonlin...earchDisplay.do ...and plug in the numbers. Adios, Pizza Bob Thanks. I was able to verify the FFL. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
halbautomatisch 60 Posted July 5, 2012 Thanks. I was able to verify the FFL. Keep his FFL license copy for your records, should something ever happen with that HG after you sell it, you will have proof you sold it legitimately. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
louu 399 Posted June 6, 2016 Waking this thread back up instead of starting a new one... If I ship it to an out of state FFL will they mail me something that says they sold it for me so I can mail it to the gestapo to prove I sold the pistol? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PK90 3,569 Posted June 6, 2016 I assume you will have signed a consignment contract. They should give you a receipt or a check when it sells. No need to notify the Popo. They don't care about dispositions, only acquisitions. ETA: louu, I may have gotten your post mixed up with another. I assumed you had not yet gotten money for your gun, as you inferred the dealer will sell it. Sent from an undisclosed location via Tapatalk. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
louu 399 Posted June 6, 2016 Sorry Paul I'm clueless here, whats a consignment contract and how do I go about getting that? Iv'e never done this before. What if they pay me with paypal gift and you cant use any gun words on paypal? Nothing is sold yet, I haven't even posted an ad yet I'm just thinking about selling a pistol I'll never use again. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PK90 3,569 Posted June 6, 2016 I thought you were sending a gun to a dealer to sell on consignment. Disregard. When you sell it and ship it, just keep records of where it went. You won't get a receipt from the dealer. And shame on you for supporting an anti-gun organization. LOL. Sent from an undisclosed location via Tapatalk. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
louu 399 Posted June 6, 2016 Okay thanks man. Witch one is anti gun? I'm gonna post it here (when my membership starts) and Enos. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikeyjones 88 Posted June 6, 2016 Okay thanks man. Witch one is anti gun? I'm gonna post it here (when my membership starts) and Enos.PayPal Sent from my Z812 using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
louu 399 Posted June 6, 2016 Oh yeah, makes sense, I never thought about that. I wouldn't say I support them much I almost always use the friends and family transfer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DargZ 5 Posted July 27, 2016 When you sell it and ship it, just keep records of where it went. You won't get a receipt from the dealer. What record do I keep? Is a receipt between me and the buyer sufficient with the shipping record? How does NJSP know I sold it if there's no receipt? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lambo2936 297 Posted July 27, 2016 Be sure to get as much stuff on paper as possible. If it is one day found at a crime scene, your information will still be linked to the Serial # assuming that state doesnt require registration. Personally, i think the only way id sell out of state is FFL to FFL.... Not worth the chance that some asshole will do something stupid. At least with a rifle i sell (or handgun with face to face sales), i have the COE with the guys information and signature on paper to point the LEO in the right direction. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DargZ 5 Posted July 27, 2016 I don't think a FFL gives you much other than a receipt. I suppose the FFL will need to log the firearm in their book but that does not help me much if the local PD is knocking on my door. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slab Sides 20 Posted July 27, 2016 You can ask to receive a postal money order and reference the serial number on it. Also, save any shipping info and proof of delivery and make up a Bill of Sale for the FFL to have completed and mailed back to you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
345Sire 158 Posted July 30, 2016 You can ask to receive a postal money order and reference the serial number on it. Also, save any shipping info and proof of delivery and make up a Bill of Sale for the FFL to have completed and mailed back to you. A lot of people don't like money orders when they don't know the seller, too easy to be on the losing end of fraud. Not always, but it happens enough that I prefer not to use them, especially out of state. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob0115 1,105 Posted August 2, 2016 Just note down where you shipped it to (FFL). I keep their licenses in PDF files along with the gun that I sent them. I also go to the FFL EZ Check site and key in their license numbers to make sure it's still valid. When they receive the gun they need to book it into their inventory. At that point the gun is no longer yours. When the gun is delivered to the ultimate purchaser it is booked out. It is job of the FFL to make sure all appropriate state and federal laws are followed when transferring the gun from their inventory to the new owner. It is the job of the FFL to make sure they have a corresponding record in their inventory book that the gun went out and to whom (purchaser or other FFL). When the ATF comes in the look at everything that is booked and match it against what's booked out and what's inventory. Guns booked in = Guns booked out + current inventory. If it's gun smithing it's in a separate book. If there are any unaccounted for guns you have a lot of explaining to do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJM981 924 Posted August 13, 2016 I know that selling to an out of state resident requires a handgun to go to a FFL in the purchaser's home state. Can I drive the firearm to the FFL in another state (example PA)? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ogfarmer 138 Posted August 13, 2016 I know that selling to an out of state resident requires a handgun to go to a FFL in the purchaser's home state. Can I drive the firearm to the FFL in another state (example PA)?YES to PA, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ben Lau 2 Posted December 29, 2020 Reading this thread, there is no legal need according to NJ Firearm Laws to ship a firearm through a local NJ FFL other than if you want to remove the record of the firearm ownership from your name? Thanks for verifying this for me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites