2nd Purchase by mistake within 30 days?

[reloaderguy 30]

You will most likely get a friendly reminder call from the State Police for your first and last warning to not do this again. Happened to a friend of mine!

[PeteF 1,044]

So how can a check be denied for OGAM by NICS?

 

Example, I walk in an see a gun I like. Do the paperwork and NICS check is submitted on 5/1.

15 days later, Nics clears. I can't make it to the shop because I'm on a trip for 2 weeks.

When I return, I pick it up. 6/1. 2 weeks later I see another gun I like at another store. Nics check started.

They have no idea when previous gun was picked or if it was even picked up.

 

How can they deny or approve? Until permits have been mailed in sorted and entered into the system, they have nothing to go on.

Edited May 7, 2013 by PeteF

[intercooler 41]

well with the nics the way it is..OGAM is a moving target...

[PK90 3,570]

So how can a check be denied for OGAM by NICS?

 

Example, I walk in an see a gun I like. Do the paperwork and NICS check is submitted on 5/1.

15 days later, Nics clears. I can't make it to the shop because I'm on a trip for 2 weeks.

When I return, I pick it up. 6/1. 2 weeks later I see another gun I like at another store. Nics check started.

They have no idea when previous gun was picked or if it was even picked up.

 

How can they deny or approve? Until permits have been mailed in sorted and entered into the system, they have nothing to go on.

 

AFAIK, the NICS Unit keeps track of handgun purchases when the dealer submits the request. Also, when the executed permits get returned to the NJSP, they are entered into the system. If the two dates on the permits are not 30 days apart, you will have to explain it to them. Good luck.

[njgunrunner 0]

pk90- i appreciate reading your answers to ogam questions. it can get confusing...

[N2BRK 0]

sorry to hijack, but just to clarify a situation that I'm in right now...

 

NICS all clear was faxed yesterday according to my FFL's secretary.  However, my FFL is on vacation until Monday!  When I pick up my pistol, will he date my permit for Monday and not the day of the all clear fax?

 

I think ^ is correct from what I'm reading?  If the date is Wednesday, I have 30+ days left on my last permit... if it's Monday, then i have less than 30 days until it expires.  NICS delays (and his vacation) then made it impossible for me to use 3 permits within 90 days, even though I've used the prior two on the very first available dates! haha.  Oh boy.  Sounds like I need to call the local PO-PO for a permit app extension.

 

Wally... following the law: one gun a year or longer.  lol

[N2BRK 0]

wait a tick... even if I present my last permit just in the nick of time, with NICS taking so long... it will expire waiting for approval.  I'd better get my butt down to the PD and get it extended.

[PK90 3,570]

The date on the permit SHOULD be the date you take possession. 

[N2BRK 0]

thanks.  I think that given the NICS delay anyway, it's a no-brainer to just get it extended since it's likely to die waiting for the all clear, even under the best of circumstances.  

[1967 Tempest 0]

Good information here.  I am glad that NICS is picking up the pace.  The last HG I purchased was sometime in October this year.  I didn't remember seeing the 30 day thing on my HG purchase last year.  I asked about it and they pretty much told me the same thing as you guys.

 

The cool thing now, (positive out of a negative) is that NICS is not a 15 minute thing. I think total time for last purchase was less than 30 minutes. Which also helps out the local business, cause I poked around for 30 minutes and bought a bunch of stuff I could have done without.

 

I guess coming late to the show has helped for me with speed. Always been a shooter, just really starting to get into it. 

[remixer 1,645]

You can expect to get a call from the NJSP..

 

we had a few people over the years mistakenly try to get another Handgun and within a week or so of the denial got a call from the NJSP asking if we knew the circumstances.

 

I asked the Detective what happens to the customer... He said that he will call them and give them a talking to..... If this continues the state can charge him..

[remixer 1,645]

how about this situation?

 

NICS approved on Day #24

Gun picked up on Day #30

 

Does OGAM start on Day 24 or Day 30?

It starts on the day you pick up not the day nics is ran..

 

In the case you just listed... If you ran nics on the 24th and picked up on the 30th.... you would be approved by nics on the 30th day form the 24th..... This would be bad for the customer as they would most likely take the gun while still within the 30 day mark...   Nics does not know when you pickup just when nics is ran...

[remixer 1,645]

BTW its one thing to run nics within 30 and get a phone call from the NJSP... its another to have actually picked up the pistol within the 30 days based on Permit dates...

 

 

That would be Bad... i have a feeling you would get more then a phone call from the NJSP.

[Redlines 202]

Ah to live in free America one can only dream.

[PK90 3,570]

"only dream" ? Just do it.

 

Sent from an undisclosed location.

 

 

[njpilot 671]

Ah to live in free America one can only dream.

 

"only dream" ? Just do it.

 

Sent from an undisclosed location.

here, here.

[Rob0115 1,105]

My last trip to my home in FL I bought a gun a Friday and another on Saturday.  In he ensuing months I committed no crimes.  What exactly is OGAM for other than to delay your rights?

 

If there was one issue I wish the gun rights groups would focus on in NJ it's OGAM.  Talk about a law that does nothing for public safety?  This may be the worst example of bad legislation.  I also think it could be beaten.  

[remixer 1,645]

My last trip to my home in FL I bought a gun a Friday and another on Saturday.  In he ensuing months I committed no crimes.  What exactly is OGAM for other than to delay your rights?

 

If there was one issue I wish the gun rights groups would focus on in NJ it's OGAM.  Talk about a law that does nothing for public safety?  This may be the worst example of bad legislation.  I also think it could be beaten.  

 

It is a stupid law..

[remixer 1,645]

We'll it does stop me from taking peoples money twice a month

[mipafox 438]

Just wait for O-GAY.

 

And every time you run a pistol NICS within 30 days Sweeney eats a kitten. Ten people did it in a single day a couple years ago and Christie ate Steve Lonagan.

[jackandjill 683]

My last trip to my home in FL I bought a gun a Friday and another on Saturday.  In he ensuing months I committed no crimes.  What exactly is OGAM for other than to delay your rights?

 

If there was one issue I wish the gun rights groups would focus on in NJ it's OGAM.  Talk about a law that does nothing for public safety?  This may be the worst example of bad legislation.  I also think it could be beaten.  

With the OGAM exemption process in place, even US Supreme Court will not take up the case (assuming it will make that far).  Remember, SC didnt even want to take up a much more basic issue of 2A outside home and unattainable Justifiable Need that NJ requires for such. 

[Rob0115 1,105]

I've filed the exemption twice last year.  Other than being a pain in the butt it was approved before my p2p's.  The only risk is you need serial numbers for the purchase which means if you get denied you're going to either wait of you don't get P2P's be selling some guns still sitting at the dealer.  

[Golf battery 1,223]

I had an oops once. About a year ago. I havent heard anything yet.

[deerpark 83]

Holy Jesus.

The system tracks the time frames?

[Sota 1,191]

Holy Jesus

This thread is so old Obama was still president when it was last posted in.

[Zeke 5,504]

Holy necropolis 

[45Doll 5,877]

And now Obama's hair is totally gray.

And not Sniper Gray.

[RustyShackleford 12]

So to simplify things, when purchasing a firearm from a dealer, do you get a printed receipt from a register with a sale date on it? If so, are the receipts for both purchases 31 days apart?

[Sota 1,191]

16 hours ago, 45Doll said:

And now Obama's hair is totally gray.

And not Sniper Gray.

mofo looks like he's aging daily.  good.  I have a bottle waiting to celebrate his death.

[JackDaWack 2,895]

19 hours ago, deerpark said:

Holy Jesus.

The system tracks the time frames?

You know your local PD gets ALL copies of your handgun purchases... So no, the "system" doesn't track them, but the person putting them in a file will most likely.