Sota 1,191 Posted October 31, 2017 you know, it's halloween, so let's raise the dead. https://fightlite.com/collections/fightlite-raider-pistol/products/fightlite-raider-pistol-m-lok-5-56-nato so where does this run afoul? weight is too high (62.4oz) and it has a hand guard, are two I see immediately. does the mag outside of "pistol grip" apply, since it doesn't even HAVE a pistol grip? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PK90 3,569 Posted October 31, 2017 Well, according to the shockwave letters from ATF, that is a pistol grip. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sota 1,191 Posted November 1, 2017 so a bird's head is a pistol grip now? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ClangClang 14 Posted April 3, 2018 Sorry to raise this from the dead. But what if it has an OAL of greater than 26" (say with an 11.5" barrel and full length buffer tube) v- so it's not actually a "pistol" but instead it's a "firearm" as per ATF classification. What happens then? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PK90 3,569 Posted April 3, 2018 47 minutes ago, ClangClang said: Sorry to raise this from the dead. But what if it has an OAL of greater than 26" (say with an 11.5" barrel and full length buffer tube) v- so it's not actually a "pistol" but instead it's a "firearm" as per ATF classification. What happens then? What do you hope to gain? A rifle with a 14.5" barrel can be <30". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ClangClang 14 Posted April 3, 2018 14 minutes ago, PK90 said: What do you hope to gain? A rifle with a 14.5" barrel can be <30". I'm wondering if a "firearm" would be exempt from all the requirements set forth in the statute which specifically pertain to "semi-automatic pistols." I pulled this from the web. It is equipped with a Tailhook forearm brace. According to the ATF definition, this is a "firearm" and not a "pistol" - therefore, would it be legal in NJ? (Ignore the LAW folder for the purposes of this discussion). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Paulie Buffo 17 Posted April 3, 2018 I hear these are legal in NJ (at least for now) But only if it holds less than 10 ounces Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PK90 3,569 Posted April 4, 2018 So you hope to gain a flash hider or bayonet lug?Sent from an undisclosed location via Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Oakridgefirearms 224 Posted April 4, 2018 There is no "other" under NJ law. All firearms are either a handgun or a long gun and all appropriate AWB rules would apply. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JT Custom Guns 956 Posted April 4, 2018 7 minutes ago, Oakridgefirearms said: There is no "other" under NJ law. All firearms are either a handgun or a long gun and all appropriate AWB rules would apply. That is not 100% true, as the State only has a check point on the On Line NICS check for Hg or LG, but the state does recognise the Tac-14 & Shockwave as a "Firearm" which is checked as 'other" on the 4473 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Oakridgefirearms 224 Posted April 4, 2018 4 minutes ago, JT Custom Guns said: That is not 100% true, as the State only has a check point on the On Line NICS check for Hg or LG, but the state does recognise the Tac-14 & Shockwave as a "Firearm" which is checked as 'other" on the 4473 They go out on a COE, so the state has determined them to be long guns - just not a "shotgun" - what the feds do on a 4473 isn't relative to NJ law Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JT Custom Guns 956 Posted April 4, 2018 14 minutes ago, Oakridgefirearms said: They go out on a COE, so the state has determined them to be long guns - just not a "shotgun" - what the feds do on a 4473 isn't relative to NJ law if they are not rifles or shotguns - they are 'other" The State considers them both Firearms................ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ClangClang 14 Posted April 4, 2018 12 hours ago, PK90 said: So you hope to gain a flash hider or bayonet lug? Sent from an undisclosed location via Tapatalk Huh? No. I hope to ascertain whether an AR-pattern firearm with with a sub 16" barrel and forearm brace is actually legal in NJ (provided it has an OAL of >26") due to the wording of the current statute which specifically restricts pistols. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted April 8, 2018 On 4/3/2018 at 10:38 PM, ClangClang said: Huh? No. I hope to ascertain whether an AR-pattern firearm with with a sub 16" barrel and forearm brace is actually legal in NJ (provided it has an OAL of >26") due to the wording of the current statute which specifically restricts pistols. this. I asked this on another thread earlier today. Also, I wonder if I build a pistol and add this which changes the action from Semi to single action, then I can have a full blown AR pistol with all the evil features I want. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
njJoniGuy 2,129 Posted April 9, 2018 Yes, the BoltCatcher would change the AR (rifle or pistol) to a non-semiauto for a right handed shooter. Better solution for a southpaw is the Tier 5 Solutions MBC (modified bolt catch). It also does not interfere with the use of the Norgon Ambi Mag Release device (that as a southpaw, I have on all my AR-platform weapons) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted April 9, 2018 I spoke to an FFL yesterday who is also a LEO and was told, figuratively yes that will work but could run in to trouble in NJ. So it’s up to me if it’s worth the headache or not. I suppose if I go that route I will have to order both the lever and the lower at the same time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PK90 3,569 Posted April 9, 2018 I spoke to an FFL yesterday who is also a LEO and was told, figuratively yes that will work but could run in to trouble in NJ. So it’s up to me if it’s worth the headache or not. I suppose if I go that route I will have to order both the lever and the lower at the same time. Get yourself an FFL, then you can have what you want.Sent from an undisclosed location via Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted April 9, 2018 Get yourself an FFL, then you can have what you want.Sent from an undisclosed location via TapatalkI was going to because I am a freelance writer for a few different media outlets, it makes getting RMA’s a lot easier. However I live in a condo and my HOA prohibits running a business from the home. One of the outlets I write for has proposed adding me as an RP to his, but I think that requires us to live in the same state? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zthomps 0 Posted August 11, 2018 So what if you turned it into a permanent fixed magizine and use ma loaders there basically stripper clips https://www.meanarms.com/products/detail/ma-loader-for-ar15 Or the bf 10 loaders https://www.bearflagdefense.com/pages/bf-10 And you can always get lightweight carriers and kak just introduced a 4.75" barrel on there Facebook and lightweight skeletonized uppers and lowers you think it could be done Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites