80% lowers?

[pjd832 146]

i read through...but not line for line the monsterous posting of statues...and got what i figured was an answer..but figured id ask anyway to be 100% sure...80% ar/ak lowers are not legal to purchase/own/build from in nj are they?

[Daedalus 19]

If I can buy a stripped AR lower or a complete AR lower, why not an 80% finished one?

[Johnny 0]

If I can buy a stripped AR lower or a complete AR lower, why not an 80% finished one?

The 80%'s sold on gunbroker don't require an FFL. I am curious about the legality of this in NJ as well.

[Daedalus 19]

The 80%'s sold on gunbroker don't require an FFL. I am curious about the legality of this in NJ as well.

 

Now, that is interesting. I was under the impression that any lower, even stripped, required an FFL (if shipped from out of state). I just learned something else new!

[Johnny 0]

Now, that is interesting. I was under the impression that any lower, even stripped, required an FFL (if shipped from out of state). I just learned something else new!

Me too. From what I can gather they have no serial # and thats how you get around using an FFL. This one also comes with a BATF approval letter. Whatever that means. http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=298348683

[halbautomatisch 60]

Now, that is interesting. I was under the impression that any lower, even stripped, required an FFL (if shipped from out of state). I just learned something else new!

 

I think you're confusing a stripped lower with an 80% lower. An 80% receiver need further machining to be an actual firearm, a stripped lower is already a firearm under the law.

 

OP - I don't think buying or owning an 80% receiver is regulated in NJ. Turning an 80% receiver into an working receiver would absolutely require a manufacturing license in NJ.

[Daedalus 19]

I think you're confusing a stripped lower with an 80% lower. An 80% receiver need further machining to be an actual firearm, a stripped lower is already a firearm under the law.

 

OP - I don't think buying or owning an 80% receiver is regulated in NJ. Turning an 80% receiver into an working receiver would absolutely require a manufacturing license in NJ.

 

Bingo! I took it to mean 80% of the components were installed into a fully machined lower. Sorry for the confusion and thanks for the clarification.

[pjd832 146]

i saw the statues about manufacturing ....but the guy that i work with that got me thinking about it lives in md....and he said that for them as long as it was for personal use and not made to be sold...that it was legal...only if youre making to sell them that you need a licence to build there

[halbautomatisch 60]

i saw the statues about manufacturing ....but the guy that i work with that got me thinking about it lives in md....and he said that for them as long as it was for personal use and not made to be sold...that it was legal...only if youre making to sell them that you need a licence to build there

This^^^^ is the case in many states........ but not NJ, you need a manufacturing license in NJ to make guns and parts, even if it's for personal use. I know guys in PA that build their own guns from 80% receivers, it's legal there.

[pjd832 146]

thanks for the confirmation!....i kinda figured beforehand that as with everything else nj would have a law against the frredoms other states residents can partake...lol

[PK90 3,570]

Buy the 80%, take it into PA to finish it, then bring it back into NJ.

[halbautomatisch 60]

thanks for the confirmation!....i kinda figured beforehand that as with everything else nj would have a law against the frredoms other states residents can partake...lol

 

You can always go to your coworkers house in MD and build one there, just not sure about the legality of bringing it back to NJ.......it might be legal, but to be on the safe side you be best to keep it over there.

[SMT85 4]

i know this thread is a month old and the topic has been covered before. but after looking through wondering about completing 80% lowers, the law on what defines a "manufacturer" in section j. is all plural. almost as if they know they cant legally say raw material, instead of material's, a part instead of part's, firearm instead of firearm's. though this is how i translate it and thats half the issue with how its written, but seems as if they refer to production of firearms,parts etc not producing a firearm or part for personal use. just curious on what others take on how its translated and if im way out in left field and just perceiving it how i wish it was.

 

New Jersey Statute 2C:39

 

2C:39-1. Definitions. The following definitions apply to this chapter and to chapter 58:

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j. "Manufacturer" means any person who receives or obtains raw materials or parts and processes them into firearms or finished parts of firearms, except a person who exclusively processes grips, stocks and other nonmetal parts of firearms. The term does not include a person who repairs existing firearms or receives new and used raw materials or parts solely for the repair of existing firearms.

 

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2C:39-9. Manufacture, Transport, Disposition and Defacement of Weapons and Dangerous Instruments and Appliances. a. Machine guns. Any person who manufactures, causes to be manufactured, transports, ships, sells or disposes of any machine gun without being registered or licensed to do so as provided in chapter 58 is guilty of a crime of the third degree.

 

b.Sawed-off shotguns. Any person who manufactures, causes to be manufactured, transports, ships, sells or disposes of any sawed-off shotgun is guilty of a crime of the third degree.

 

c.Firearm silencers. Any person who manufactures, causes to be manufactured, transports, ships, sells or disposes of any firearm silencer is guilty of a crime of the fourth degree.

 

d.Weapons. Any person who manufactures, causes to be manufactured, transports, ships, sells or disposes of any weapon, including gravity knives, switchblade knives, ballistic knives, daggers, dirks, stilettos, billies, blackjacks, metal knuckles, sandclubs, slingshots, cesti or similar leather bands studded with metal filings, or in the case of firearms if he is not licensed or registered to do so as provided in chapter 58, is guilty of a crime of the fourth degree. Any person who manufactures, causes to be manufactured, transports, ships, sells or disposes of any weapon or other device which projects, releases or emits tear gas or other substances intended to produce temporary physical discomfort or permanent injury through being vaporized or otherwise dispensed in the air, which is intended to be used for any purpose other than for authorized military or law enforcement purposes by duly authorized military or law enforcement personnel or the device is for the purpose of personal self-defense, is pocket-sized and contains not more than three-quarters of an ounce of chemical substance not ordinarily capable of lethal use or of inflicting serious bodily injury, or other than to be used by any person permitted to possess such weapon or device under the provisions of subsection d. of N.J.S.2C:39-5, which is intended for use by financial and other business institutions as part of an integrated security system, placed at fixed locations, for the protection of money and property, by the duly authorized personnel of those institutions, is guilty of a crime of the fourth degree.

 

e.Defaced firearms. Any person who defaces any firearm is guilty of a crime of the third degree. Any person who knowingly buys, receives, disposes of or conceals a defaced firearm, except an antique firearm or an antique handgun, is guilty of a crime of the fourth degree.

 

f. (1) Any person who manufactures, causes to be manufactured, transports, ships, sells, or disposes of any bullet, which is primarily designed for use in a handgun, and which is comprised of a bullet whose core or jacket, if the jacket is thicker than .025 of an inch, is made of tungsten carbide, or hard bronze, or other material which is harder than a rating of 72 or greater on the Rockwell B. Hardness Scale, and is therefore capable of breaching or penetrating body armor and which is intended to be used for any purpose other than for authorized military or law enforcement purposes by duly authorized military or law enforcement personnel, is guilty of a crime of the fourth degree.

 

(2) Nothing in this subsection shall be construed to prevent a licensed collector of ammunition as defined in paragraph (2) of subsection f. of N.J.S.2C:39-3 from transporting the bullets defined in paragraph (1) of this subsection from (a) any licensed retail or wholesale firearms dealer's place of business to the collector's dwelling, premises, or other land owned or possessed by him, or (b) to or from the collector's dwelling, premises or other land owned or possessed by him to any gun show for the purposes of display, sale, trade, or transfer between collectors, or © to or from the collector's dwelling, premises or other land owned or possessed by him to any rifle or pistol club organized in accordance with the rules prescribed by the National Board for the Promotion of Rifle Practice; provided that the club has filed a copy of its charter with the superintendent of the State Police and annually submits a list of its members to the superintendent, and provided further that the ammunition being transported shall be carried not loaded in any firearm and contained in a closed and fastened case, gun box, or locked in the trunk of the automobile in which it is being transported, and the course of travel shall include only such deviations as are reasonably necessary under the circumstances.

 

g.Assault firearms. Any person who manufactures, causes to be manufactured, transports, ships, sells or disposes of an assault firearm without being registered or licensed to do so pursuant to N.J.S.2C:58-1 et seq. is guilty of a crime of the third degree.

 

h.Large capacity ammunition magazines. Any person who manufactures, causes to be manufactured, transports, ships, sells or disposes of a large capacity ammunition magazine which is intended to be used for any purpose other than for authorized military or law enforcement purposes by duly authorized military or law enforcement personnel is guilty of a crime of the fourth degree.

 

Amended 1979, c.179, s.7; 1980, c.108; 1981, c.480, s.2; 1983, c.58, s.2; 1987, c.228, s.3; 1990, c.32, s.3; 1999, c.233, s.3.