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To the OP - You should NEVER touch a firearm again.

 

What exactly can we do? There were live rounds in each chamber on a Sunday night. No qualified gunsmith or range officer available. There was multiple people at the range with noone even trying to give us options. If we had any way to transport these weapons safely we would've done so. We didn't have the tools to pry out the extractor. We are not trying to be irresponsible. We needed to make a decision. We've decided it is unsafe to drive w/ gun loaded while in this condition. We did not want any negligent discharge in the vehicle that could take anyone's life anywhere around us. Yes i know the option we've chose was not smart. Even if the gun didn't discharge during the initial impact there was a chance one of us would get hit while picking up the weapon. We feared and respected each and every firearm with the greatest amount of concern.

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We've marked the boxes and are sending them back to Walmart. A reaction to a problem doesn't solve the issue. There's still a lot of WWB out there that is seemingly out of spec. This type of malfunction wasn't user error. It's manufacture defect. Why flame me when we were the ones who were at stake? Did i make the brass? Like I said out of all 3 guns I wasn't the involved in getting any one of them to jam.

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Has anyone ever experience this? If so what was i supposed to do?

 

After the first occurence case the pistol and transport it to a qualified gunsmith.

 

If you screwed up the second time by using suspected bad ammo do the same thing.

 

You just don't throw pistols, PERIOD!

 

BTW I've had this happen, Notified the RO what I was doing(because he couldn't help me).

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After the first occurence case the pistol and transport it to a qualified gunsmith.

 

If you screwed up the second time by using suspected bad ammo do the same thing.

 

You just don't throw pistols, PERIOD!

 

BTW I've had this happen, Notified the RO what I was doing(because he couldn't help me).

 

There was a class going another range. We notified all of them and noone was qualified. Being 7PM on a Sunday Night in the middle of PA where can you find a qualified gunsmith? Yes we wanted to go get someone, but there was noone available that time of night. We did not feel comfortable driving w/ a loaded firearm even pointed to the sky safe in a case. No RO or officials around. We did not want to deal w/ the legal ramifications of transporting w/ a loaded firearm. We did not want to cause any harm to anyone outside the range. Once again the slide was completely shut. Round was stuck on the extractor and no amount of force can rack it loose. The striker was engaged & our fear was it would go off at anytime. I never said what we did was right. I never once felt comfortable being around any weapon in that state. We reacted to a manufacture defect. I agree our reaction wasn't the best decision. It was wrong, but no one got hurt. The least I can do is make this right and make sure this doesn't happen to any of you. Don't you think we all felt our lives were in danger? We respect and fear our firearms even more now that this happened.

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Dammit I missed the first post!? Shucks

 

Here it is ,

He can t delete this one......By the way , i hope you realize that because of you 3 , someone might have been killed. And please learn how to handle such emergencies better.....

There is already an animosity towards NJ people at EFGA from some PA shooters there and this type of behaviour only adds to that sentiment.

Nevermind the incident that happenned a month and a half ago where a guy almost bled to death because of someone`s double charge in a revolver.

 

Obviously you were upset and in the heat of the moment you did what you did and things seemed an if there was no way out but do use better judgement next time and use the advice above and case the pistol.

 

I know you feel bad (this thing has happenned to many of us) and i do give you courage for posting fully knowing that you ll come under fire , but better go through this on the web than on the news................

 

 

 

Posted Today, 08:14 PM

Im saddened to report my most recent WWB failures. This ones a doozy. Actually it's a doozy X 3. Before i start i know there is no way anyone can approve of the way we've handled this, but it ended in good light no one got hurt and all firearms are now safe and back in working order.

 

To start we purchased approximately 900 or so rounds of WWB from 1 day at Walmart Easton PA. We headed off to EFGA in Easton to start our pistol shoot.

 

Pistol # 1 Smith & Wesson M&P 9mm fullsize. The last WWB was shot and another was cycled through the chamber. The shooter struck the primer and the round was still in the chamber. The slide seized. We could not rack the slide no matter what amount of force. We used the side of the range port to rack the slide using the sights. Nothing, not a budge. We used a small cleaning rod that was very solid as a dowel to remove the stuck round, but still nothing. Finally one of my very experienced friends came to the suggestion of throwing the pistol from the pistol range to the 22 range immediately adjacent to us.

 

*****YES THAT'S RIGHT. THROW A PISTOL W/ A LIVE ROUND IN THE CHAMBER OVER TO THE NEXT 22 RANGE NEXT TO US.****

 

I know, i know... I was thinking the same thing... CRAZY...I mean it's not my pistol, but still. Every second someone held that gun we felt it was going to blow up in our hands. The problem was the fact that the slide was closed shut. The rim of the round was wedged right on the thickest part of the extractor. The tension between the round pushing up on the extractor was too powerful for anyone to tap rack and cough no bang. We feared the worst. The round might still go off w/ the stuck casing leaving no recoil management and the gun would either point in the opposite direction or simply explode. Every action has a reaction and without a functioning slide that reaction was our greatest fear. Not to mention the striker was very much pushing up on the primer. So back to the throwing pistol deal.

 

We first had a 2 man team scout the next range over. We signaled clear for one of us to lob the pistol over in a convenient bubble wrap bag over to the next range. This was in hopes that the impact would somehow loosen the tension between the extractor and the rim of the casing. There was a foot thick concrete barrier between our range and the next range over. If this thing were to go off we'd prefer it to be elsewhere. We repeated 2 or 3 times till succession.

 

 

Woohoo! Day saved. Thanks to my genius friend w/ an amazing tact for solving life's greatest puzzles.

 

WRONG...To make my friend happy because he felt his M&P had somehow malfunctioned and was not up to par i let him shoot my Brand new 1st day out Walther PPQ 9MM

 

Pistol #2 Walther PPQ 9mm second edition..1st day of shooting it. Less than 50 rounds through the pipe. Same as M&P except i was crying cause it was mine and i managed to take down the slide for a closer evaluation. Genius Walther design BTW. The take down tabs allow us to remove the slide safely while the slide was seized. We proceeded to throw the slide w/ the live round at the next range. No luck. Decided to put the pistol back together to add extra heft and after 3 or 4 chucks that Gun is saved.

 

Phew that was close. We should leave now right? LOL...WRONG!

 

 

Pistol #3 Springfield XD not M, but 5 inch tactical length XD9. After nearly an hour of dealing w/ 2 pistols having similar issues we assumed it was secluded to only 1 of the boxes of WWB because both the M&P and PPQ were shot at the same port using the same box of WWB.

 

The last shooter started laughing 3 ports over and said "I was such a douche that still kept shooting despite seeing this happen on 2 other pistols.". We knew what to do already. Time to chuck it. With the internal extractor the XD was actually the hardest to fix. We must've thrown that gun maybe 15 times to get that slide loose.

 

I know what you are all thinking. WTF? 3 TIMES! Yes i know. I'm thinking that too. I'd honestly start a flame right now if someone else posted this, but seriously. This was a very serious situation. Each pistol had a live round w/ the striker still pressing on that primmer. At any given time we held this gun it was 1 stroke away from having a negligent discharge. We refused to drive knowing this isn't a safe transport. We asked multiple EFGA member for assistance, but none of them were qualified for this. I'm not justifying us throwing 3 guns around like this, but i just wanted everyone to be aware of the Winchester QA,QC. I know. Yes i agree. I too have shot thousands of WWB so have all of us, but if you are deciding to take a drive down to Easton PA and considering getting it from the same lot I'd advise you not to. Hopefully if this happens to you it wouldn't take you 3 pistols to realize it's time to call it quits. We ended the day shooting a 100 yard gong w/ my cousins DPMS recon. Love that rifle sweet heavy bull barrel and shoots accurately while hot. Oh the 5.56 was federal champion BTW =)

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All jokes aside, there should have been a little more forethought in resolving the issue. Lobbing three handguns over into a range really shouldnt have been an option. The fact that no other shooting vet at the range would lend their 2 cents is pretty shitty on their part. You cant change what has been done, just know that it was REALLY dangerous route to troubleshoot not only for your safety, but those around you. I think the OP knows what the repercussions were now after the fact and there is no need for everyone to <insert OMG what an asshat comment here> This is a great community with a lot of great information. Please don't soil it by tearing apart someone over their mistake.

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