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Hey guys,

 

I'm from PA and have my concealed carry license in PA. I travel into NJ often for work so I am usually unable to carry my weapon as NJ does not recognize the PA license to carry concealed. I spoke with several officers in NJ and no one seems to know for sure if I can successfully obtain a concealed carry license in NJ.

 

For those wondering why I may want it, I inspect vacant homes (typically foreclosed homes) for banks almost every day and have been in several dangerous situations. I find I feel 1000x more comfortable and secure when I'm in PA and can carry the weapon on me when in these vacant homes in bad neighborhoods.

 

Does anyone know if I can ACTUALLY obtain the concealed carry license in NJ? I have heard NJ is a "may issue" state and PA is a "will issue" state. I've also heard its near impossible to get a concealed carry license in NJ unless you are a police officer or retired officer...

 

Any help offered is appreciated.

 

 

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I really wouldn't count on it. First off, you're thinking like a Pennsylvanian, whereas things do not make sense in NJ.

 

Secondly, there is a lawsuit being brought against the state at the moment which emphasizes how stupid the CCW laws are here. If I remember correctly, one of the people affiliated was denied a NJ CCW because of the justifiable need clause. I believe he was picked up by a biker gang, beaten near death, and was threatened several times thereafter.

 

So unless you piss off the Chinese.... good luck.

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Unless you have a business in NJ that requires you to carry, like a PI, Security, etc., etc... Like they said above, it's almost impossible. If you do have justifiable need, you will need to present your proof in front of a judge. He still may or may not grant you one. Then, if he does, it will not be a 24/7 carry. It will only be a carry during "Scope of Duties".... In other words... while you are working. That's it.

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Unless you have a business in NJ that requires you to carry, like a PI, Security, etc., etc... Like they said above, it's almost impossible. If you do have justifiable need, you will need to present your proof in front of a judge. He still may or may not grant you one. Then, if he does, it will not be a 24/7 carry. It will only be a carry during "Scope of Duties".... In other words... while you are working. That's it.

 

The ones that I saw that were approved when I was working cases back in the early 70's involved NJ residents who had businesses in NYC and had NYC pistol licenses.

 

AFAIR, the restriction placed on the permit was to carry UNLOADED until crossing the NYS line going east, and after crossing it on return.

 

Things changed markedly in about 71 or 72 as a result of the arrest of a carrier who was carrying beyond the circumstances stated in his permit application, AFAIR.

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Yep... My first ccw was back around 1978 and was restricted to NJ biz only... That was and basically still is the only way they issue them. Back then, they stamped right across the card. SCOPE OF DUTIES Only or something like that. Then through the years I've had them, most had that on there in smaller print somewhere. I've had at least 7 ccws and let them expire because I just didn't want to carry any more. Wish I kept my last one, but it was always a mission. Just to renew, you had to go to court again... They literally keep you under a microscope during issuing a card.

 

The ones that I saw that were approved when I was working cases back in the early 70's involved NJ residents who had businesses in NYC and had NYC pistol licenses.

 

AFAIR, the restriction placed on the permit was to carry UNLOADED until crossing the NYS line going east, and after crossing it on return.

 

Things changed markedly in about 71 or 72 as a result of the arrest of a carrier who was carrying beyond the circumstances stated in his permit application, AFAIR.

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If you are rich, powerful, famous, and those qualities correspond with being politically connected in NJ at high levels (as in donate lots of $$ to the right people) you might have a chance. This is what NJ defines as "justifiable need". Forget about all that stuff about you feeling your life is in danger, or that you have a right to defend yourself.

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If you are rich, powerful, famous, and those qualities correspond with being politically connected in NJ at high levels (as in donate lots of $$ to the right people) you might have a chance. This is what NJ defines as "justifiable need". Forget about all that stuff about you feeling your life is in danger, or that you have a right to defend yourself.

 

Criminals carry concealed as well with little concern. The NJ laws do a great job keeping criminals from carrying especially in Camden, Newark, Pasaic and Atlantic city...It's a good thing they have these strict laws because it frustrates criminals and causes them to not apply for their carry and FID. Criminals never get guns with strict laws like NJ and DC.

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Criminals carry concealed as well with little concern. The NJ laws do a great job keeping criminals from carrying especially in Camden, Newark, Pasaic and Atlantic city...It's a good thing they have these strict laws because it frustrates criminals and causes them to not apply for their carry and FID. Criminals never get guns with strict laws like NJ and DC.

 

This is why criminals will always have the upper hand here in NJ

 

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Not even Jesus himself could get a CCW license in NJ.

 

Jesus actually tried to get a CCW, but the NJ courts felt that the Roman crucifixion was an isolated incident and did not demonstrate a justifiable need.

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Jesus actually tried to get a CCW, but the NJ courts felt that the Roman crucifixion was an isolated incident and did not demonstrate a justifiable need.

 

And after all, after the crucifixion, what were the chances he would be attacked again and actually need a CCW.

 

Even the guy who was attacked and kidnapped twice in NJ was initially denied and only approved AFTER he filed suit with the state. Their intent was clear IMO to take him off the lawsuit so that they would not have to answer for denying someone who had what even an ultra anti gun nut would have agreed was justifiable need.

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Getting a CCW permit in NJ is a Catch-22. You can't get one unless you can prove that your life is in grave danger. The only way NJ will believe you're in grave danger is if you're actually murdered. Once you are murdered, they will grant you the permit.

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Reading some of the comments here and another thread regarding LEOs, it's no wonder they won't show up here. You know, there are bad eggs in every industry and all the vague comments here shows how ignorant some look like to each other.

 

It scares me that we are pretty much all gun owners here. Some of the responsibilities of owning weapons is showing how you can conduct yourselves in a public. Now I can be goofy too and bust ballz with the best of them, but this is just plain wrong. LEOs are human too and quite frankly, I'd be very happy if they remained on our side.

 

You want to prove that we are worthy of owning weapons, keep up the 'tudes... You'll diminish what we still have as rights. Remember, let's not feed the anti gunner world that can view all these threads.

 

This thread has strayed waaaay off topic!

 

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Reading some of the comments here and another thread regarding LEOs, it's no wonder they won't show up here. You know, there are bad eggs in every industry and all the vague comments here shows how ignorant some look like to each other.

 

It scares me that we are pretty much all gun owners here. Some of the responsibilities of owning weapons is showing how you can conduct yourselves in a public. Now I can be goofy too and bust ballz with the best of them, but this is just plain wrong. LEOs are human too and quite frankly, I'd be very happy if they remained on our side.

 

You want to prove that we are worthy of owning weapons, keep up the 'tudes... You'll diminish what we still have as rights. Remember, let's not feed the anti gunner world that can view all these threads.

 

This thread has strayed waaaay off topic!

 

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And who should decide if we are worthy or not? Last I checked, the only qualifier for owning weapons was being a lawful, non-crazy US citizen. Besides, I didn't really notice anyone bashing cops in this thread, unless you meant the comments about the state police, which last I checked were pretty truthful.

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There are bad eggs in every industry. That is true. The issue with the State Police and their escort of rich people with fancy cars is that they knew about and didn't do anything about it until the media raised the issue. It's always the cover up that causes more problems, not the actual infraction.

 

A big issue with NJ being a may issue state vs shall issue is not the law that governs this but the implementation of the law. The law states you must show "need" to CCW. The problem, to me, is that people have shown need and still get denied. That there is not the laws' fault but the people charged with upholding the law. That is why you see the 'tudes.

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The state police comment was pointless and generalizing. Yes state troopers write speeding tickets. All cops do. Not all state troopers were involved in that escort. Would you want everybody to generalize all gun owners as one specific thing. No so dont generalize all troopers or all police for that matter

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And who should decide if we are worthy or not? Last I checked, the only qualifier for owning weapons was being a lawful, non-crazy US citizen. Besides, I didn't really notice anyone bashing cops in this thread, unless you meant the comments about the state police, which last I checked were pretty truthful.

+1000%

 

 

LEOs are human too and quite frankly, I'd be very happy if they remained on our side.

 

The problems is the ones who are on our side are very much the minority.

 

 

I think the point that most people who complain about an anti-leo vibe are missing is (that guys who come on here and b1tch about a cop giving them a ticket on their way to work, or about the hassle of trying to get permits) they are just looking for like minded individuals to release their frustrations.

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I knew I'd get some heat for this.... So, yes, example of the State Police.... We should individualize our comments instead of bashing situations as a whole. Hence, the bad egg statement. Punish the individuals, not the whole.

The worthy part is not meant to say we are not worthy. It's meant to mean how others would perceive us by our comments. It may not matter to you or anyone how you feel and I'm pretty I'm much the same way, but some of these posts do not give us ammo. They hurt us. It's not helping our strengths acting that way. Difference is I won't bash a whole group.

 

I didn't steer this thread away from the CCW subject. Someone else did. And bottom line, this is what stimulated my response. Some here are always looking for reasons to bad mouth someone. In this case, the LEOs.

You think this makes us look good? I don't think so. This isn't the only thread this has happened either. There has been a lot of threads with negative injections out of subject.

You want to bash, keep it individualize like Lautenmummy or something of that nature. You're picking one person, not all of his kind. Same with LEO or anyone for that matter.

 

 

And who should decide if we are worthy or not? Last I checked, the only qualifier for owning weapons was being a lawful, non-crazy US citizen. Besides, I didn't really notice anyone bashing cops in this thread, unless you meant the comments about the state police, which last I checked were pretty truthful.

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I don't think they are the minority. I know/known a lot of LEO over the years and more seem to be just like us.

I haven't met too many cops that won't sit down and talk turkey with you like a good old Joe and they seem sincere enough to me, that they all feel the way we do.

 

About the venting part.. Prob true, but I've actually made friends with cops that gave me tickets years ago. Hey, they are just trying to do their jobs. When they don't, we bash them - when they do, we bash them.

You did the crime? Suck it up and get over it.

 

 

+1000%

 

 

 

 

The problems is the ones who are on our side are very much the minority.

 

 

I think the point that most people who complain about an anti-leo vibe are missing is (that guys who come on here and b1tch about a cop giving them a ticket on their way to work, or about the hassle of trying to get permits) they are just looking for like minded individuals to release their frustrations.

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