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It matters a whole lot less than you all think it does.

 

 

no.. I agree with that... as long as it is not some junk AK with canted sights and an action that cycles like there are rocks in it.. you are probably right... because they will all work decently well..

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I'd beg to differ, on the cars analogy. Perhaps that would be relevant if we lived elsewhere, and we could debate the usefulness of under-folding stocks vs. regular stocksvs. ACE, or various muzzle devices, or whether you're better of as a tacticool commando with your US-PALMs or sticking to old soviet steel mags.

 

Imagine debating cars in a state where, let's say, you couldn't own anything with more than X horsepower, or if you had a K&N air intake then you couldn't have an aftermarket exhaust. Now let's say a bunch of people who lived in that state were sitting around debating if the Hyundai Sonata was faster than the Nissan Sentra and we're more in line with the type of pointless discussion I see here.

 

I used to be new to guns too, and I used to come on forums and read big posts by guys who typed big, long debates about milled vs. stamped or the proper way to clean corrosive ammo, yada yada.

 

Then one day I was converting a Saiga and not paying attention when pounding out the rivets with a sledge hammer. I whacked my stamped receiver so fugging hard with a 3lb sledge that I warped the whole damn thing into a trapezoid shape. Literally. Then I took a wood block, pounded it in and straightened the abomination out, and proceeded to run a couple thousand rounds through it over the next few years. And from then on I never gave two shits about a milled vs. stamped debate again.

 

Or when I was new to corrosive ammo and got all sorts of advice about how I had to clean it instantly, special procedures with brushes and there I was bringing all kinds of shit to range and cleaning my rifle at the firing line. Til one day I realized all I have to do is take the damn thing home, open the action, pump a generous douche of WD40 down the bore and gas tube, and I haven't seen a speck of rust in it to this day. Then I see massive debates about how to "properly" clean corrosive ammo still rage on.

 

I guess this too is getting a bit long winded but I hope you guys see where I'm coming from.

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Raj, I see where you are coming from but I do not agree.

 

AKs are not always an off the shelf blaster. There are rare builds out there, with all original parts sans receiever. For a collector, or someone who cares about more about just sending bullets downrange, "stupid" things like the proper gas block make a massive difference.

 

If they are all the same, you should log in here and tell Matt he is wasting his time building the only type 1s in the USA, because he can just go buy a Saiga and get the same result.

http://www.theakforu...php?f=7&t=70667

 

No, not everybody needs to care about these things. But when somebody says they want traditional, these things matter.

 

The OP can take it for what its worth, but IMHO slapping a wood stock on saiga is not traditional. Its a wood stocked Saiga.

 

Heres some T1 porn, the ultimate in traditional. Kinda fugly, but gorgeous in its own right :)

 

t12kb.jpg

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For a collector? Of course I understand.

 

But it's when guys who just want a bullet blaster sit and debate gas blocks for a month is when my blood starts to boil.

 

Yes, exactly. But he said he wanted a "traditional" rifle. That conveys to me he wants more than just a bullet blaster. How deep he wants to go is up to him, but I was merely pointing out things that are usually considered traditional and not, like the damn gas block. It was advice that could be taken or not taken. I provided info on what gas block is and is not traditional. I get attacked for providing said info.

 

Shame on me for providing info on what the OP was looking for!

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Raj, I see where you are coming from but I do not agree.

 

AKs are not always an off the shelf blaster. There are rare builds out there, with all original parts sans receiever. For a collector, or someone who cares about more about just sending bullets downrange, "stupid" things like the proper gas block make a massive difference.

 

If they are all the same, you should log in here and tell Matt he is wasting his time building the only type 1s in the USA, because he can just go buy a Saiga and get the same result.

http://www.theakforu...php?f=7&t=70667

 

No, not everybody needs to care about these things. But when somebody says they want traditional, these things matter.

 

The OP can take it for what its worth, but IMHO slapping a wood stock on saiga is not traditional. Its a wood stocked Saiga.

 

Heres some T1 porn, the ultimate in traditional. Kinda fugly, but gorgeous in its own right :)

 

t12kb.jpg

 

Fuggin Sexy

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People, people!

This thread was supposed to be a simple "Hi, here's a link to an AK, enjoy" type thread.

Not a place for everyone to argue and puke-out their individual opinions.

 

Let's please stop arguing, and start posting links to High-quality, "traditional-ish", 7.62x39 AK's.

 

I'd love to find a Yugo AK for sale locally, within my price range.

However, I'm also willing to consider an Arsenal SLR-107.

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Ask and you shall receive!

 

M70, they have non standard furniture so be aware.

 

http://www.jgsales.c...ck.-p-6775.html

 

Here's a milled rifle but unsure the reviews...

 

http://www.atlanticf...d=23&Itemid=762

 

 

A great option would be to find a used SAR-1 on gunbroker. They come nj legal and are of outstanding quality and are around $500. FYI, I am JET Agent LLC and can do legalizing for you. We're in Mendham.

 

I'm at work so I cant really dig too much around but thats what I got for now

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Yes, exactly. But he said he wanted a "traditional" rifle. That conveys to me he wants more than just a bullet blaster. How deep he wants to go is up to him, but I was merely pointing out things that are usually considered traditional and not, like the damn gas block. It was advice that could be taken or not taken. I provided info on what gas block is and is not traditional. I get attacked for providing said info.

 

Shame on me for providing info on what the OP was looking for!

 

Okay, I'm not attacking you.

 

Let me try and explain this, since we used a car analogy first.

 

Ever hear someone say, for example, they like "sports cars"? In general, everyday conversation amongst people who aren't gearheads. Would it be socially acceptable to burst into a long winded diatribe and lecture about the exact definition of what "sports car' means? Or do you just roll with it and assume when people say "sports car" they're typically referring to fast, cool looking cars in a laymens terms sort of way because they aren't big time car guys?

 

When someone says "traditional AK" on a forum like this - in a place where most people know very little of guns in general, much less scary looking Soviet ones, and are often newbies - "Traditional AK" should be taken to mean an AK variant with a wood stock and typical configuration, like the bad guys in an action movie.

 

If they're high end collectors looking for specific gas blocks or obscure receiver types that only 17 of which were imported to the USA, they'll ask about it specifically.

 

Or, you and Vlad can just write a friggin Dissertation every time someone goes fishing for links to MAK-90s and Yugos.

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Raj,

 

I wasnt refering to you. I was refering to Vlad. I say the 90 degree block is not traditional, he says im stupid.

 

I agree with your car analogy, but I simply provided information as to what is actually traditional and what isnt and why a particular platform does not lend itself well to that application.

 

Its not opinion, its fact. the 90 degree is not "traditional" no matter how its cut.

 

Wether that is important or not in the purchase is up to the OP. I am simply helping the OP make a more educated choice. No harm!

 

If the OP doesnt give a flying f#ck about gas blocks, then he can buy a saiga for all I care!

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Raj,

 

I wasnt refering to you. I was refering to Vlad. I say the 90 degree block is not traditional, he says im stupid.

 

I agree with your car analogy, but I simply provided information as to what is actually traditional and what isnt and why a particular platform does not lend itself well to that application.

 

Its not opinion, its fact. the 90 degree is not "traditional" no matter how its cut.

 

Wether that is important or not in the purchase is up to the OP. I am simply helping the OP make a more educated choice. No harm!

 

If the OP doesnt give a flying f#ck about gas blocks, then he can buy a saiga for all I care!

 

OK one last time...

 

first of all when you say "building a traditional AK" it could mean anything..

 

it could mean I want an AK pattern gun with wood furniture.. similar to that on an original AK

it could mean I want an AK with parts that most closely resemble the original AK

or it could even just mean that they want a "non tacticool" AK variant without a bunch of nonsense bolted to it..

 

at the end of the day.. NONE of those are an actual REAL AK... they are all varying degrees of a clone or replica...

 

Glenn I get it.. you want a gun as similar to the original as you can get.. and I get it.. some collectors are into replicas.. and trying to be as authentic as they can be.. and while not my thing... I have NOTHING against it...

 

when someone would say "I want an AK".. I would always assume that meant "I want a durable battle gun with a red dot and flashlight.. to make fast man sized hits.. setup to function in any environment... (like a Saiga I would build)

 

when you hear someone say "I want an AK".. you assume they want a period specific unit with the same gun oil that would have been used at the exact time in an oil can from that period... with the original crate it would have come in..

 

in MOST instances... WE ARE BOTH WRONG..

the average user does not want to build some one off AK that takes AR mags and shoots 556 with a $500 red dot on top of a $100 gas tube... just like the average user does not give a fugg about what angle the gas block is at

 

most people want

a good AK with wood furniture to look somewhat traditional

OR

a modernized version with some low cost additional features...

 

this is why I now ask people what they want..and if they state they are leaning towards a simple wood stocked AK that they can buy a decent quality one off the shelf.. OR build a Saiga.. obviously the saiga will have a 90 degree block.. but honestly.. MOST people care about as much as the fact that I have a saiga running on AR15 mags.. and that is ZERO..

 

thats all I am trying to get you to understand..

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when someone would say "I want an AK".. I would always assume that meant "I want a durable battle gun with a red dot and flashlight..

 

I'm sorry but this is way off base. Just about every standard configuration AK has nowhere to mount a flashlight and side rail red dot options are crappy at best. When people think AK lights and red dot typically aren't part of the package. Sure you can get aftermarket accessories and sure that's what you have, but most people say:

 

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I'm sorry but this is way off base.

 

Just about every standard configuration AK has nowhere to mount a flashlight and side rail red dot options are crappy at best.

 

 

When people think AK lights and red dot typically aren't part of the package. Sure you can get aftermarket accessories and sure that's what you have, but most people say:

 

 

 

really?

my gun is the furthest from traditional.. but my light and red dot could EASILY mount on an otherwise "traditional" AK... it is a ONE PART SWAP..

 

 

hate all you want.. gun functions great.. have put a shit ton of ammo through it.. ran it through dirt and abuse... NO issues..

 

 

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I'm sorry but this is way off base. Just about every standard configuration AK has nowhere to mount a flashlight and side rail red dot options are crappy at best. When people think AK lights and red dot typically aren't part of the package. Sure you can get aftermarket accessories and sure that's what you have, but most people say:

 

30475d1310077370-noob-need-help-ak-overhaul-keep_that_crap_off_my_ak-.jpg

 

 

No one ever cares about a red dot on a custom 1911 that costs the price of 5 Saigas. Its actually accepted on a bullseye gun. Seriously why should you care about what the majority of people have on any gun? Oh BTW that pic shows a pair of Chinese communists that probably can't have sisters let alone a red dot on top of anything besides a blu ray player. Also Vlad is using an ultimak gas tube rail not a side mount receiver rail. Just saying.

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When I hear "I want an ak" I think of anything off the shelf. Not super tacticool saigas pimped

 

 

When I hear "I want a tactical ak" I defer to vlad

 

When I hear "I want a traditional ak" ...all bets are off. Hide yo kids, hide yo gas blocks!

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OK the OP specifies he prefers a traditional Yugo AK. The traditional VS. tactical AK war is based on preference and if the OP gets either I'd be more than glad to have him join the the conglomerate AK club. I have a yugo "tactical" AK. Is my AK less preferable because I have a red dot? I'll let him shoot my AK all day. Heck I'll drive to his location to let him shoot his best group all day. Let the OP choose. If he still wants a traditional Yugo AK more power to him. It's his choice not ours. Any standard Warsaw LOP AK starts off traditional and as Vlad said I can use 1 hex and a ratchet to switch it back in a minute.

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When I hear "I want an ak" I think of anything off the shelf. Not super tacticool saigas pimped

 

 

When I hear "I want a tactical ak" I defer to vlad

 

When I hear "I want a traditional ak" ...all bets are off. Hide yo kids, hide yo gas blocks!

 

if we ever get to shoot together.. I am taking pictures of you shooting my Saiga.. LOL

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To be completely honest and fair to both sides of the arguement, I don't really know WTF I want.

The traditional AK looks appealling to me, as well as the fact that a good example can be had for a few hundred dollars.

At the same time I do see the advantage of "modernizing" the AK with a Red dot, weaver rails, etc.

 

I've only shot one AK-style rifle in my life, and wasn't all that impressed at the time.

No idea what model, version it was.

However I have always been impressed with the reliability of the platform.

Reliability is, imo, the most important aspect of any firearm.

 

Also I was recently made aware of the fact that the AK is practically designed for a left-handed shooter (which I am).

 

We should get together, shoot, and talk all day about the AK.

It would be awesome to meet you all, and do a little show-n-tell with some quality AKs.

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come out to PA and you can shoot my 12 gauge AK that is fed by a 12 round drum... you can shoot my mutt 556 AK with drop free 30 round AR mags... both with collapsible stocks.. you bring some ammo ill bring some guns.. we can shoot till you want to go home.. bring some friends.. lol

 

only warning is you might want one after shooting it..

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