Jp10127 0 Posted October 17, 2012 Basically my question is as stated above. I have been looking at an 80% lower that will need the trigger group and hammer and sear pin holes machined out still. Being that this is not technically a firearm it can be bought and built without having been serialized and registered. Now I could care less about the registering part just seems like a fun way to do a build. My question is..... Is that even possible to do in New Jersey? And has anyone tried it? According to the stipulations I saw, as long as this is purchased and built for yourself and never transfered to another owner it is technically legal, but does new Jersey still follow that rule of thumb. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krdshrk 3,872 Posted October 17, 2012 Nope - not legal for regular people - you need a manufacturing license. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
raz-0 1,256 Posted October 17, 2012 Buy it, sure it's a hunk of metal. Finishing it makes you a manufacturer in nj and you need to be licensed as such. So, no, it isn't legal to build unless you get set up as a manufacturer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Recon Racoon 49 Posted October 17, 2012 Illegal, based on the grounds you are manufacturing a firearm, and therefore require a state license to do so. Honestly, if you don't have the setup to do it anyway, you're going to end up spending more money to do it, than going to an FFL and buying a stripped lower. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigHayden 77 Posted October 17, 2012 Honestly, if you don't have the setup to do it anyway, you're going to end up spending more money to do it, than going to an FFL and buying a stripped lower. [Tommy Chong] But then you're on "the list" man. [/Tommy Chong] 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jp10127 0 Posted October 17, 2012 I came across a video for an ar lower that still needs the trigger group and pin holes cut out. Aparently according to current statues this is a perfectly legal way to build an ar-15 but it isn't serialized or registered as a weapon. I don't care about the registering part that's not important to me but as long as the weapon is made by one person and never transfers ownership then it seems to be perfectly ok to do a build this way. I guess my question is, does anybody know if this is even true and possible in the lovely state of new Jersey? It seems like a fun way to build a firearm, it's a bit more than just slapping parts together. I don't plan on building it in a way that is illegal to Jersey rules and all, it would follow all rules as a regular stripped reciever build as afar as barrel length pinned stock, and what ever else. I don't want to spend the money and not be able to posess this if its not legal but I'm not sure where to turn to for info so I figured I would start here. The company gives the statutes by the atf stating where you are legaly aloud to build a firearm for personal use so long as it is only for that person and not being produced for sale. If anyone has done this or has any info pertaining to this it would be greatly appreciated. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TK421 2 Posted October 17, 2012 You need to be licensed by NJ to manufacture a firearm in the state... You could buy it but could not legally mill it out to manufacture a working lower yourself. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krdshrk 3,872 Posted October 17, 2012 You created another topic? Sigh.... Merged... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pizza Bob 1,488 Posted October 17, 2012 I think the point you have missed is that this may be legal in the free world, but it is not in New Jersey. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jp10127 0 Posted October 17, 2012 Thanks I wasn't sure as far as new Jersey itself. I figured it would be an issue because of coarse it is new Jersey. But hey one can wish can't they. A few friends where thinking about splitting cost on the jig and all, but I guess I'm stuck finding a lower. Missed out on a blemish run for 60 bucks! Oh well time to move out of Jersey Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TK421 2 Posted October 17, 2012 I guess one question that has not been addressed is what is the legality of finishing an 80% receiver in PA and then transporting it back to NJ? I think that would be as legal as moving into NJ with one you had already built? No? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phoenix_iii 0 Posted October 18, 2012 I guess one question that has not been addressed is what is the legality of finishing an 80% receiver in PA and then transporting it back to NJ? I think that would be as legal as moving into NJ with one you had already built? No? interested in thoughts on this scenario too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KpdPipes 388 Posted October 18, 2012 I guess one question that has not been addressed is what is the legality of finishing an 80% receiver in PA and then transporting it back to NJ? I think that would be as legal as moving into NJ with one you had already built? No? Tehcnically it would, SHOULD be Lawful the way the statute is written, since you are acquiring the Receiver in a lawful manner..That said, if you should ever get jammed up, even for anything minor, having an AR with no Manufacturer Info, or Serial Number WILL cost you way more hassle than the $100.00 or so to just buy a finished lower in My Opinion. Now, that said, if you want to Stamp it, and Serial It when you build it, while not a Requirement under ATF rules, it would probably make things look better here at Home. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1LtCAP 4,259 Posted February 15, 2017 necro-bump here. anyone got a link to the statute that makes it illegal to build these in nj? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weekend_junkie 129 Posted February 15, 2017 2C:39-9d. No manufacturing of ANY weapon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Purple Patrick 638 Posted February 15, 2017 Just do it in PA and bring it back... they even make handgun frames now this signature exceeds the 15 character capacity count Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1LtCAP 4,259 Posted February 15, 2017 2C:39-9d. No manufacturing of ANY weapon. thanks. been having a discussion with a friend that says a lawyer told him that as long as he's building it for himself, it's ok....that it's only illegal if you're doing it to sell or transfer it...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krdshrk 3,872 Posted February 15, 2017 thanks. been having a discussion with a friend that says a lawyer told him that as long as he's building it for himself, it's ok....that it's only illegal if you're doing it to sell or transfer it...... In any other state, sure. But not NJ. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sackballions 1 Posted May 7, 2017 According to this attorney you are not a manufacturer if it's made for you by you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sackballions 1 Posted May 7, 2017 On 10/17/2012 at 11:35 AM, Jp10127 said: I came across a video for an ar lower that still needs the trigger group and pin holes cut out. Aparently according to current statues this is a perfectly legal way to build an ar-15 but it isn't serialized or registered as a weapon. I don't care about the registering part that's not important to me but as long as the weapon is made by one person and never transfers ownership then it seems to be perfectly ok to do a build this way. I guess my question is, does anybody know if this is even true and possible in the lovely state of new Jersey? It seems like a fun way to build a firearm, it's a bit more than just slapping parts together. I don't plan on building it in a way that is illegal to Jersey rules and all, it would follow all rules as a regular stripped reciever build as afar as barrel length pinned stock, and what ever else. I don't want to spend the money and not be able to posess this if its not legal but I'm not sure where to turn to for info so I figured I would start here. The company gives the statutes by the atf stating where you are legaly aloud to build a firearm for personal use so long as it is only for that person and not being produced for sale. If anyone has done this or has any info pertaining to this it would be greatly appreciated. I just got one from a PA show. You can go to a range or gunsmith there and they will build it for you. I built mine myself and it was a bit of a bitch without having proper tools Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shane45 807 Posted May 7, 2017 Did you finish it here in NJ? Not just any FFL can finish it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sackballions 1 Posted May 7, 2017 1 hour ago, Shane45 said: Did you finish it here in NJ? Not just any FFL can finish it. Yea I finished it myself, *in PA*. According to the lawyer I asked that's legal and it doesn't make you a manufacturer Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shane45 807 Posted May 7, 2017 Id seek a different lawyer and if it were me that lower would be making a quick trip through the band saw. One of the few laws in NJ that is not ambiguous. Notice it does not say business, it distinctly says person. This is the specific language that leaves most in agreement, including the FIU, that it is illegal to finish an 80% lower in NJ and constitutes manufacturing. 13:54-1.2 Definitions "Manufacturer" means any person who receives or obtains raw materials or parts and processes them into firearms or finished parts of firearms, except a person who exclusively processes grips, stocks, and other nonmetal parts of firearms. The term does not include a person who repairs existing firearms or receives new and raw materials or parts solely for the repair of existing firearms. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ogfarmer 138 Posted May 7, 2017 Here is directly from NJSP Firearms Unit 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sackballions 1 Posted May 7, 2017 I'll trust you guys words cause I'm a newcomer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob0115 1,105 Posted May 7, 2017 You can own all the 80% lowers you want in NJ. Just don't complete them here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray Ray 3,566 Posted May 15, 2017 How about you get the 80% lower, finish it and shut your mouth. Done 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sackballions 1 Posted May 15, 2017 Great insight. You must be a mother fucking genius or something 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
67gtonut 847 Posted May 15, 2017 And once again..... We cannot be civil to each other.... 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites