NJ Machine Gun Definition

[TheDon 3]

Hypothetically, if someone owned a M1A and knew it to be prone to slamfire and knew to expect the rifle to double-fire at least 2 or 3 times for any 10-round magazine, could some persecutor construe that to be a machine gun?

[mipafox 438]

I will have to test fire said M1A to give a proper legal opinion

[JETagent 1]

Yes, it has happened at least once out of state. Feds dont like that

[Pizza Bob 1,488]

Isn't there case law on someone who was prosecuted for a malfunctioning AR? I don't think it was as cut and dried as the scenario presented above - there was some contention about modification knowingly done to the gun, but I believ the decision to convict hinged on the simple fact that it fired more than one round with one pull of the trigger - not what caused that. So, yes, I believe you could be prosecuted.

 

Adios,

 

PIzza Bob

[mipafox 438]

Isn't there case law on someone who was prosecuted for a malfunctioning AR? I don't think it was as cut and dried as the scenario presented above - there was some contention about modification knowingly done to the gun, but I believ the decision to convict hinged on the simple fact that it fired more than one round with one pull of the trigger - not what caused that. So, yes, I believe you could be prosecuted.

 

Adios,

 

PIzza Bob

 

Yes, but there were M16 fire control group parts installed IIRC. Under ATF regs, anything that fires more than one round with a single manipulation of a trigger (I think some shotguns exempted) could be a MG

[TheDon 3]

Not a legal question, but I know there are some gunsmith on here too:

Are there any correction/adjustments that can be made to the firing pin that will lessen this behavior?

[KpdPipes 388]

Not a legal question, but I know there are some gunsmith on here too:

Are there any correction/adjustments that can be made to the firing pin that will lessen this behavior?

 

it sounds like that rifle needs to be inspected IMMEDIATELY, while it could be something as simple as soft primers/sh!tty ammo, it could also be indicative of bad sear/trigger engagement. Have whoever owns that rifle get it checked, before they have an Out-of-Battery issue and hurt themselves or someone else.

[TheDon 3]

it sounds like that rifle needs to be inspected IMMEDIATELY, while it could be something as simple as soft primers/sh!tty ammo, it could also be indicative of bad sear/trigger engagement. Have whoever owns that rifle get it checked, before they have an Out-of-Battery issue and hurt themselves or someone else.

NATO M80 Ball. Not match quality but certainly not junk.

Good advice. Better safe than sorry.

[mcbethr 42]

I poked around, this graphic may help with the definitions:

 

[KpdPipes 388]

NATO M80 Ball. Not match quality but certainly not junk.

Good advice. Better safe than sorry.

That's what I was afraid you'd say. if it's doing that with Surplus Ammo, then that gun needs to go to the Gun Doc RTFN

[matty 810]

If its slamfiring with MIL spec ammo, stop shooting it. r at least tell me when yer going to cjrpc

[TheDon 3]

Will do. Thanks guys.

[raz-0 1,259]

Is it slam firing, or are you bump firing it with a light trigger? That's a MUCH more common scenario I ahve found with .308 and above semi autos. Bump firing like that is jsut poor technique (or a a matter of a specific kind of flinch).

[ruger9 0]

I poked around, this graphic may help with the definitions:

 

 

If it wasn't almost true, it'd be hilarious.

[JackDaWack 2,895]

Didn't an upgrade for glock triggers have this issue?

[TheDon 3]

Is it slam firing, or are you bump firing it with a light trigger? That's a MUCH more common scenario I ahve found with .308 and above semi autos. Bump firing like that is jsut poor technique (or a a matter of a specific kind of flinch).

 

Could be. It has a match trigger that breaks like glass and has a very short reset.

I send 100 rounds throug each of my AR and my AK for every round I send through my M1A. I might just have a heavy finger and be un-worthy of the Springfield.

[NJKen 23]

Pull it a little tighter to your shoulder! If I start getting lazy with mine i will hit a double once in a while. Its my own fat finger doing it though.

It only happens when I start to get tired and loose my focus.

Ken

[raz-0 1,259]

 

Could be. It has a match trigger that breaks like glass and has a very short reset.

I send 100 rounds throug each of my AR and my AK for every round I send through my M1A. I might just have a heavy finger and be un-worthy of the Springfield.

 

For a test, just run through some ammo and make sure you follow through an keep the trigger pinned back. Don't worry about shooting well, just keeping it pinned.

[TheDon 3]

Will do. Thanks for all the suggestions.

Now, I just need a break from work and all the holiday preps to get to the range.

[matty 810]

maybe you are a trigger milker