"IF" they should impose a AWB, How Fast

[RecessedFilter 222]

I for one ain't surrendering shit. It will sit nicely in a safe deposit box outside the eyes of the govt.

 

http://english.pravd...ericans_guns-0/

 

A article from a disarmed soviet telling us how much it sucks to be at the mercy of a tyrannical party. I'm not saying that's how the U.S. could turn but we'd never be able to defend ourselves if it came to pass.

 

I would not trust the bank enough to have anything sit in it...but that's just me.

[Combat Auto 174]

Republicans right now are a sad lot - Obama is running all over them with the fiscal crap....But, there is something more intrinsic in this country about right to hae guns...I think the right will hold - it is embeded much more in many other states outside the obvious liberal ones in the northeast (eg NJ - not sure what we have here the gun community dosn't seem that riled-up) and elsewhare...Obama is a very tough oponent - a street fighter (not much of that on the right) so if he backs Feinstein it will be tough - but I am encoureged that what happened in Illinoise today...So I am going to put my order in for a Wilson AR. Will take 8-10 months but will eventually get a NJ compliant one...And worst case Wilson will either deliver one with no pistol grip ;-), or need to give me my $250 deposite back,

[Combat Auto 174]

And I don't care If I ever shoot the AR (My M1A keeps me busy ;-)) - I am buying an AR just because Feinstein says I can't.

[Darkmagik 2]

I beleive that all government officials should review their oath of office sine all this AWB crap is unconstitutional and clearly violates their oath of office. All military, police, and government officials swear by this oath and all whom break the oath have not only commited treason, but they are impersonating a person in their possition in office. I beleive all whom are pushing such legislation should be brought up on trason trials and put in prision for commiting a terrible crime punishable by federal law. I want to see them with the gangbanging serial murderers and rapeists to see how nice it is to infringe the right of the people whom they are elected to serve us not nanny us.

[BleedingOrange36 0]

I beleive that all government officials should review their oath of office sine all this AWB crap is unconstitutional and clearly violates their oath of office. All military, police, and government officials swear by this oath and all whom break the oath have not only commited treason, but they are impersonating a person in their possition in office. I beleive all whom are pushing such legislation should be brought up on trason trials and put in prision for commiting a terrible crime punishable by federal law. I want to see them with the gangbanging serial murderers and rapeists to see how nice it is to infringe the right of the people whom they are elected to serve us not nanny us.

It's pretty obvious that they are above the law.... I believe we are already seeing tyranny....

Quote from wiki

Plato and Aristotle define a tyrant as, "one who rules without law, looks to his own advantage rather than that of his subjects, and uses extreme and cruel tactics—against his own people as well as others".[1]

 

In common usage, the word "tyrant" carries connotations of a harsh and cruel ruler who places his or her own interests or the interests of an oligarchy over the best interests of the general population, which the tyrant governs or controls

[Vlad G 345]

I for one ain't surrendering shit. It will sit nicely in a safe deposit box outside the eyes of the govt.

 

Sorry pal, your deposit box is is not outside the eyes of the govt. The Patriot Act fixed that, when it redefined the meaning of a financial relationship to include safe deposit boxes, thus making them available to the govt eyes. If you were one of the folks cheering the Patriot Act, well .. sorry.

[Combat Auto 174]

To all of the above, our current situation in this country is sumed up as: "A bad case of Liberals/Socialists gone Wild" - extending well beyond Gun Control...Unfortunatly, I don't see any end in sight - right now Lib's have the "MO"...The Right needs to get much, much, more engaged - maybe the current attempts at the 2nd amendment will be a catalyst.

[TK421 2]

Sorry pal, your deposit box is is not outside the eyes of the govt. The Patriot Act fixed that, when it redefined the meaning of a financial relationship to include safe deposit boxes, thus making them available to the govt eyes. If you were one of the folks cheering the Patriot Act, well .. sorry.

 

That's why God makes 10" PVC pipe, cosmoline and vacuum-sealed long-term firearm storage bags.

[Malsua 1,422]

That's why God makes 10" PVC pipe, cosmoline and vacuum-sealed long-term firearm storage bags.

 

I have some articles on that...informational stuff. I wonder if there's any interest in me posting it.

[mattio41 0]

 

If you had an interest in this thread, please think about joining the rally. http://njgunforums.com/forum/index.php?/topic/44149-february-8th-pro-2a-rally/

[Malsua 1,422]

*I* wouldn't..............

 

Well, the information is easy enough to find. It's not MY information. It's something that's available on one of my other sites if someone is so inclined.

[GRIZ 3,369]

FORGET Congress....The President at anytime can provide for an EXECUTIVE Order, which in all likelihood...language is being drafted as part of the Biden Committee:

 

"Executive orders offer a powerful and immediate way for a president to advance his policy priorities. A White House aide to President Bill Clinton described the lure of executive orders this way: "Stroke of the pen, law of the land" [source: Wolf]. "

 

"...however, the Congress may override a veto with a two-thirds majority to end an executive order. It has been argued that a Congressional override of an executive order is a nearly impossible event due to the supermajority vote required and the fact that such a vote leaves individual lawmakers very vulnerable to political criticism..."

 

Executive orders detail how a law passed by Congress is carried out. Executive orders cannot make law. This was settled by SCOTUS during the Truman adminstration. If you can figure out some law Obama can use to instiitute an AWB let me know.

[GRIZ 3,369]

 

 

Sorry pal, your deposit box is is not outside the eyes of the govt. The Patriot Act fixed that, when it redefined the meaning of a financial relationship to include safe deposit boxes, thus making them available to the govt eyes. If you were one of the folks cheering the Patriot Act, well .. sorry.

 

Your safe deposit box was not outside the eyes of the government before the Patriot Act either. The Patriot Act did make acquiring subpeonas easier but you still need probable cause and a warrant to go into a safe deposit box. Under the Patriot Act there needs to be a link to terrorist activity. Contrary to what many people think the Patriot Act is not the green light for the government to do whatever they want.

[TK421 2]

That's why God makes 10" PVC pipe, cosmoline and vacuum-sealed long-term firearm storage bags.

I have some articles on that...informational stuff. I wonder if there's any interest in me posting it.

*I* wouldn't..............

Well, the information is easy enough to find. It's not MY information. It's something that's available on one of my other sites if someone is so inclined.

 

Did I miss something? What is the concern for posting information on how to store your arms and keep them away from a rouge tyrannical government hell bent on violating your constitutionally protected right to own those arms? I'm confused? It's not like your posting plans for IEDs or something that is lethal in nature.

[Shawnmoore81 623]

Basically if they have a mandatory turn in you will have a couple months. I can't imagine they could launch such a huge program in a week. The army manuals have had it listed for years now so they could be ready. Though you'll get some time. You'll have 3 choices.

1. Hand it in

2. Hide it and risk jail

3. Stand up and fight.

 

It's really that simple

[Shawnmoore81 623]

If you hide em be careful of where you do it. Places like your attic aren't the best choices.

[Vlad G 345]

Your safe deposit box was not outside the eyes of the government before the Patriot Act either. The Patriot Act did make acquiring subpeonas easier but you still need probable cause and a warrant to go into a safe deposit box. Under the Patriot Act there needs to be a link to terrorist activity. Contrary to what many people think the Patriot Act is not the green light for the government to do whatever they want.

 

What exactly isn't a terrorist activity nowadays?

[Shawnmoore81 623]

 

What exactly isn't a terrorist activity nowadays?

 

Paying taxes

[GRIZ 3,369]

 

 

SNIP.....from WEB... http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Executive+Order

 

"Executive orders do not require congressional approval. Thus, the president can use them to set policy while avoiding public debate and opposition. Presidents have used executive orders to direct a range of activities, including establishing migratory bird refuges; putting Japanese-Americans in internment camps during World War II; discharging civilian government employees who had been disloyal, following World War II; enlarging national forests; prohibiting racial discrimination in housing; pardoning Vietnam War draft evaders; giving federal workers the right to bargain collectively; keeping the federal workplace drug free; and sending U.S. troops to Bosnia."

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_order

Legal conflicts

 

To date, U.S. courts have overturned only two executive orders: the aforementioned Truman order, and a 1995 order issued by President Clinton that attempted to prevent the federal government from contracting with organizations that had strike-breakers on the payroll.^[8] Congress was able to overturn an executive order by passing legislation in conflict with it during the period of 1939 to 1983 until the Supreme Court ruled in Immigration and Naturalization Service v. Chadha that the "legislative veto" represented "the exercise of legislative power" without "bicameral passage followed by presentment to the President."^[9] The loss of the legislative veto has caused Congress to look for alternative measures to override executive orders such as refusing to approve funding necessary to carry out certain policy measures contained with the order or to legitimize policy mechanisms. In the former, the president retains the power to veto such a decision; however, the Congress may override a veto with a two-thirds majority to end an executive order. It has been argued that a Congressional override of an executive order is a nearly impossible event due to the supermajority vote required and the fact that such a vote leaves individual lawmakers very vulnerable to political criticism.^[10]

 

I never said executive orders require congrssional approval. I said they have to have a law passed by Congress they are clarifying or explaining how the law is to be carried out. Executive orders cannt make law. I said that above and you can also go to your wiki link and read the 2nd paragraph under "History and Use". Thanks for posting a link that supports my position.

 

For all those things you listed EOs enacting there was an existing law the POTUS could act on. For example, troops to Bosnia, War Powers Act. The POTUS can send them there but Congressional approval was required to keep them there. EO regarding racial discrimination? 1964 Civil Rights Act. Etc,etc

 

The INS case you quoted has no bearing on what we are discussing unless the POTUS issues a EO based on a law and Congress wants to override the EO.

 

An EO could ban importation of all semiautos as having no sporting purpose, maybe.

 

Please show me a law in existence Obama can use to issue a EO which would institute an AWB.

 

[GRIZ 3,369]

 

 

What exactly isn't a terrorist activity nowadays?

 

You still need a warrant issued by a judge to go into a safe deposit box. If you think its so easy to link anything to terrorist activity you're wrong.

[le_boudin 2]

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