Firearm without a manual/external safety or decocker opinion

[xkon 0]

If you had to have a firearm without a manual/external safety or decocker in either 40sw or 45acp, what would you pick?

 

Im currently looking at:

-Glock 21

-Sig 220 DAK

-Sig 229 DAK

-HK P30 LEM

-HK45 LEM

-HK USP V7

 

 

If anyone has experience with the respective sigs or hks please offer your opinion on them

[Duppie 73]

What about the CZ 75b .40 caliber with the 1911 type safety or decocker?

[67gtonut 847]

M&P ......sorry had to.....

 

On your list..... Hk's

 

 

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk excuse the spelling

[xkon 0]

What about the CZ 75b .40 caliber with the 1911 type safety or decocker?

 

Cant have any manual safety or decocker. Already have a 75b tho, love it

[Duppie 73]

Cant have any manual safety or decocker. Already have a 75b tho, love it

Did not know that,I have the 75B 9.mm and won't part with it....

[mcbethr 42]

I kind of agree with the above poster. Give the M&P a look.

 

But of all of those choices, I would go with the Glock, and I hate Glocks. But the magazines are and parts are much cheaper than an HK.

[BlueLineFish 615]

The glock is almost half the price of the others. The others aren't twice as good. I am not a glock guy and I like sigs. Sigs are heavy and parts expensive. I also agree with the above poster. Really look at th m&p. also I know they have a hip safety but look at the xd/xdm

[diamondd817 826]

I picked the Glock 21 Gen 4. The only .45 acp I own now.

[Nick T 4]

My off duty is a P229 DAK and I love it especially with the hogue grips it fits like a glove and shoots great

[Nickel1911 0]

IMO I'd also agree with those that recommended the m&p. it's well worth the look. I've always thought my m&p fit like a glove too. Then I recently purchased the hogue hybrid grips made specifically for the m&p. it makes a great grip and gun even better. Good luck

[O-gre 7]

Money no object HK45! I have a HK P30, Sig 226 enhanced elite and Glock 21 and my personal favorite is the Sig. All well made and go bang but I just shoot the Sig the best. What fits me may not fit you. Go handle them and if possible shoot.

[Sandy 44]

I have the MP .40 . Love it. No safety , no mag disconnect .

[Damjan 73]

I went with a Glock 21 but i also like the M&P (grip is better)

 

Good thing is that with a G21 you can buy extra barrels and shoot 40cal and 357 if you want to.

I believe that the same can be done with M&P.

 

 

[CAPTBIL3 10]

Have the MP9C,for the past 3 years as my offduty, no safeties, love it. Bill

[Socom 19]

Glock 21 all the way!

[bry@n 195]

My choice would be the 229 DAK or the Hk lem. Personal preference is all.

[jamesbod 0]

DAK blows....you'll be real sorry...

[acaixguard 37]

Take a good look at the M&P or the Walther PPQ, both of which are available in .40. The M&P has a .45 too. I'd avoid Glocks in anything other than a 9mm, as they tend to have the most issues.

Question though...any particular reason why you want a .40/.45 and not a 9mm?

[autoxnyc 4]

HK LEM on that list. Glock 21 grip is too big for me.

[diamondd817 826]

I'd avoid Glocks in anything other than a 9mm, as they tend to have the most issues.

 

 

Huh?

[Jon 264]

HK LEM is great, especially with the 'light' hammer spring. You can even take it a step further and add match parts for the hybrid match-LEM trigger. Why no traditional DA/SA? USP V3 removes the manual safety, making the lever a decocker only.

[diamondd817 826]

Like hammer fired with no manual/external safeties?

 

Beretta PX4 .40 "TYPE C"

 

Real slick looking piece.

[acaixguard 37]

Huh?

 

It's known in many circles that Glocks are the most reliable in 9mm (or at least were until recently).

[xkon 0]

Dont want to start a caliber war, just personal preference on the 40/45. This will be an open carry gun and one of the requirements is no external safety/decocker so that rules out the hk v3, otherwise it would be a contender.

 

I am very familiar with glocks as I have a few, including the 20, so the full size 45 would not be an issue size wise. That is why I put that up there instead of the m&p/xd lines. I think I am leaning towards an HK, but as to the particular model I am unsure. I would like to try to get my hands on a few and try them out, to see if its worth the extra money over the glock. I would also like to try the dak trigger as well as i have had experience with sigs and like them, just not with this particular trigger

[Jon 264]

I will be converting my USP45 over to a hybrid match-LEM in the next few days. You're welcome to give it a try if you're in the area.

[acaixguard 37]

Well actually, if a 9mm is out of the question, amongst the choices you listed, I'd go with the HK45 for sure. The reason is that HK is renowned for top quality engineering. SIGs were a great choice back in the day, but in the last 5-7 years, they've suffered through some QC issues. Not sure how it is today with SIG.

The M&P45 is also a choice too, which lots of aftermarket support.

[blksheep 466]

Glock 21

[Nick T 4]

HK LEM is great, especially with the 'light' hammer spring. You can even take it a step further and add match parts for the hybrid match-LEM trigger. Why no traditional DA/SA? USP V3 removes the manual safety, making the lever a decocker only.

Really??? My duty weapon is the USP with the LEM and I hate it long pull with a very pronounced break makes trigger anticipation all the worse

[bry@n 195]

I have to say that I prefer the DAK to lem. I agree with nick. I don't feel as though the Dak trigger is as long as the lem.

[Jon 264]

Really??? My duty weapon is the USP with the LEM and I hate it long pull with a very pronounced break makes trigger anticipation all the worse

 

Give it a try with a Compact or "Match" hammer-spring. Reduces the weight of the break big time, with zero change in reliability.