mipafox 438 Posted January 17, 2013 There is no need to apologize. We are all aggravated and ready to fight this. I don't think I can explain the same points again in a different way to clarify. Maybe you don't agree or maybe I don't communicate well. Either way, we all know we need to fight. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cemeterys Gun Blob 165 Posted January 17, 2013 Cuomo REALLLY REALLY hurt his political chances badly with his rushed AWB2.0. That is so laughable it isn't funny..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
papercutninja 24 Posted January 17, 2013 He lost a lot of upstate. He's gonna lose 40% of downstate. He blew a LOT of politcal capital on this. Maybe i'm wrong, but he seems to look incredibly emotional and not in a good way. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vlad G 345 Posted January 17, 2013 You guys are scared and worried and so on .. Seriously, man the frack up. Stress and worry and fear are human reactions and they serve a purpose, but the people who carried your genes survived because they got over it. You are decedents of bad ass bacteria that kicked the ass of other badass bacteria to get to be multicellular and so on up the evolutionary chain. Being a badass is pretty much hardwired into you, so reach deep down, find it, and use it to get over your emotions and fight the fight, don't get eaten by the pond scum that is NJ politics. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mipafox 438 Posted January 17, 2013 I am as concerned as you and the rest of us are but I refuse to let it harang me.......let's keep figthing......... time to write a few more letters to my reps and call them in the AM...................................... Call them now and run out their voice mail. No better time than the present.Then call them in the AM and ask some hard questions. They won't have answers, they just answer the phones and keep score. OK. Well, then get someone to get me the answers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cemeterys Gun Blob 165 Posted January 17, 2013 Ok.....I am NOT a rocket scientist..... what is going on....? is the illuminati looking to setup shop in NJ... Bayonne right..? It's gotta be bayonne... it's called massive coordination behind the scenes of the anti gun efforts......and it ain't tinfoil time, all these bills being introduced in various states are carbon copies of each other. And remember, Obama was on the board of the Joyce Foundation, who funds all these anti gun groups, and everything he is talking about, was what the Joyce Foundation was talking about in the 90s...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cemeterys Gun Blob 165 Posted January 17, 2013 He lost a lot of upstate. He's gonna lose 40% of downstate. He blew a LOT of politcal capital on this. Maybe i'm wrong, but he seems to look incredibly emotional and not in a good way. Don't matter, NYC and Long Island is what controls NY politics. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Markymark 0 Posted January 17, 2013 Remember guys, Christie is still a politician...all he cares about in the end is getting re-elected. Write EVERYONE and put up as big of a stink as possible and LET IT BE KNOWN, that if they approve any regulations they lose your vote...PERIOD. If your going to lose your rights, they are going to lose their job! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PDM 91 Posted January 17, 2013 We can't lose sight of the fact that for the first time, anywhere, there was at least the beginnings of an intelligent discussion along the lines of "you want to restrict X ... show me why." Not other politician, anywhere has come out with this approach. The idiots on the left just assume that less magazine capacity is better and call you murderous lunatic or worse if you question their wisdom. The NRA and people on our side don't even get into that discussion because they oppose any limits whatsoever. Christie is at least taking an intelligent approach and believe me his unwillingness to swallow a 10 or 5 round mag limitation hook, line and sinker is really going to piss off a lot of people. He actually said that police officials he spoke with oppose such a move! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray Ray 3,566 Posted January 17, 2013 Anyone know if our Governor knows about our rally? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hd2000fxdl 422 Posted January 17, 2013 Anyone know if our Governor knows about our rally? Probably, but if not, he's out of town for the weekend, heading to Chicago with the family for the weekend, so if you write or call, he won't be in town for a few days. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mipafox 438 Posted January 17, 2013 We can't lose sight of the fact that for the first time, anywhere, there was at least the beginnings of an intelligent discussion along the lines of "you want to restrict X ... show me why." Not other politician, anywhere has come out with this approach. If my politician, anywhere, started the beginnings of that discussion I'd be there tomorrow with a torch and a pitchfork. And an AR and a sidearm. He didn't start a winning discussion. He started a discussion of how much, if any, we lose. There has never been a first time, anywhere, that there was the least bit of good to come out of a discussion announcing a new evaluation of possibilities for future gun control. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Metalflames 0 Posted January 17, 2013 There is no reason that hotdogs should come in packs of 8, nobody needs 8 hotdogs, even if we save just one life..... LMFAO!!! :fugg: Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Old Glock guy 1,127 Posted January 17, 2013 There is no reason that hotdogs should come in packs of 8, nobody needs 8 hotdogs, even if we save just one life..... Yes, good one! And as someone else noted, the 2A rally on 2/8 is now more important than ever. We need to show up in huge numbers to let our representatives know that we're a force with which to be reckoned. (And I mean politically, in case anyone from NSA or the FBI is reading.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pbkid6974 1 Posted January 18, 2013 My understanding is this: He has said in the past that he would talk about the issue. This is him talking about the issue. He feels NJ laws are strong enough, but to make the antis feel good, he is letting them try to present their "facts". We all know that all of their "facts" are, like that scene in My Cousin Vinny, paper thin. Christie seems like a logical man so logical points will likely win with him. We have logic on our side. I don't think he will move on any new laws because he does not want to commit political suicide on the national level. But, this way of handling the situation will make national headlines as no one else is doing it. Say what you want about the man, he is a brilliant politician. Everyone else is completely one way or the other depending on demographics. Christie wants to create the illusion of doing something when in reality he is actually doing nothing. Which, I think, is in our best interest. We want things to get better, but if they stay the same then so be it. I'll take that draw over losing. We still need to fight. You don't get a draw in boxing by standing there and getting hit. You get the draw by going punch for punch. If we fight this to a draw, it will open us up for the eventual re-match. At that point we will have the upper hand. The momentum will be in our favor. That's my buck-o-five. Cuz if we don't all throw in our buck-o-five, who will? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vlad G 345 Posted January 18, 2013 Remember, what he wants is almost irrelevant if the assembly and senate send him a bill. He can veto'ed I suppose, but will he? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GlassFanta 0 Posted January 18, 2013 You guys are scared and worried and so on .. Seriously, man the frack up. Stress and worry and fear are human reactions and they serve a purpose, but the people who carried your genes survived because they got over it. You are decedents of bad ass bacteria that kicked the ass of other badass bacteria to get to be multicellular and so on up the evolutionary chain. Being a badass is pretty much hardwired into you, so reach deep down, find it, and use it to get over your emotions and fight the fight, don't get eaten by the pond scum that is NJ politics. Excuse me but evolution is just a "theory". The earth is only 6,000 years old and GOD made us, you communist marxist obama zombie atheist socialist DEVIL WORSHIPPER. Nah, just kidding. You're right. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matty 810 Posted January 18, 2013 Lardass wont be the repub nom in 16. Greasy andy wont be the d nom in 16 either. He will try, but unless hillary dies, she will win. He did this whole thing to attract attention to himself. And to try to steal the spotlight from hillary. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pbkid6974 1 Posted January 18, 2013 Remember, what he wants is almost irrelevant if the assembly and senate send him a bill. He can veto'ed I suppose, but will he? If he truly wants to run for president in 2016 then he will veto it. If the legislature truly want the law passed they will override his veto. That puts him in a perfect position to say "I was against silly feel good knee-jerk reactions and supported the Second Amendment". Win-win for him. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rifleman1 32 Posted January 18, 2013 I disagree, I think Christie did a great job. I wouldn't expect any firearm restrictions coming... I'm not sure if you were watching the same thing I was though. I agree! Gents, Read between the lines...the days of NJ 15 rounds are GONE............. They will NOT keep them....no way no how....... You will see NJ at 10 rounds starting in T+60 days....... I do also think you will see it diminished to ONE evil feature......and that all existing compliant firearms be grandfathered but, future will need to comply with one feature. Just my.02... I said it.....the FEDS will let the states do the dirty work.... So then I'll need 15 mags of 10 rounds rather than 10 mags of 15 rounds. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Texas Shooter 35 Posted January 18, 2013 Look, this is something that we can work with. My viewpoint on this? Governor Christie is being very astute with his political capital. He KNOWS that by and large, the NY AWB2.0 is HUGELY unpopular with many people. Cuomo REALLLY REALLY hurt his political chances badly with his rushed AWB2.0. As a matter of fact, he rushed it through so fast, the mag ban doesn't have a provision exempting police officers. That means when the law goes into effect in March cops in all of NY State will not be able to carry full cap mags. That's how dumb Cuomo is. Do we know this for a fact? Unpopular with some, yes, but not the majority of the population, no? I'm just curious if the backlash in NY is really this strong. Strong enough to reverse it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
9X19 125 Posted January 18, 2013 I don't know it may actually help him to defeat Hillary for the Democratic nomination in 2016. Really depends on how the states sort this mess out. Nobody can seriously thinks that Biden would get the nod.... Could be a good thing to have Cuomo running against Christie. And giving how screwed up things in this country will be by then, we may not have to worry about seeing a Dem in the White House for awhile. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quikz 34 Posted January 18, 2013 Am NOT tolerating any 'numbers game' regarding mags. Thanks prolly to NJ cops, NJ kept it at 15 or less since MOST of our modern semi autos that are comfy to carry is 10-15 rd range. I do not see cops or near retirement cops or retired cops having to put up w that BS numbers game. As very young adult, I shot in NJ w 30 rd mags in my Ruger 10/22. They snapped together to make 60 rounds. Shot in Medford at a public and police range along w cops sometimes. Believe it or not, I think it's actually safer to have all your ammo inside 1 or 2 magazines, instead of a bunch of 10 round magazines or one 10 round magazine that you have to unload and reload and shoot constantly, rounds strewn all over and all. Im speaking from experience inside NJ. I think the jury is out on this...as far as where this Gov will stand. Why cant we BE like, at least resemble, the Rest of the Country? And Cuomo is a National AHOLE and a disgrace to the US Constitution, his state and himself. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cemeterys Gun Blob 165 Posted January 18, 2013 Do we know this for a fact? Unpopular with some, yes, but not the majority of the population, no? I'm just curious if the backlash in NY is really this strong. Strong enough to reverse it? There's a backlash in NY?? Seriously?? And yes, I AM being serious. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bob2222 317 Posted January 18, 2013 There's a backlash in NY?? Seriously?? http://www.reuters.c...E90G1DA20130117 Y'all come to Texas, state official tells New York gun owners By Jim Forsyth SAN ANTONIO | Thu Jan 17, 2013 5:31pm EST SAN ANTONIO (Reuters) - Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott has a message for New York gun owners: Come to Texas, and bring your guns with you. "Texas is better than New York, and New York just gave us another excuse to say that," Abbott, a Republican, said on Thursday, after ads extolling Texas appeared on several media websites. New York Governor Andrew Cuomo, a Democrat, signed sweeping gun-control legislation earlier this week expanding the state's ban on assault weapons and putting limits on ammunition capacity in the wake of last month's school shootings in Connecticut. Abbott, a possible candidate for governor of Texas in next year's election, used campaign money to buy ads on websites of news organizations in New York City and Albany. One ad says in classic Western script: "WANTED: Law abiding New York gun owners seeking lower taxes and greater opportunities." New York is hopeless. I think it will need to completely collapse first, the "free stuff" voters will all need to flee -- then something might be built on the rubble. New Jersey is getting there, too. I had high hopes after Christie was elected. Until this past November... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bravozulu14 0 Posted January 18, 2013 President could use kids but the NRA can't point it out? This +1000 The Prez paraded children up on the podium while he signed "executive actions" purely a emotion grabbing ploy. Not to mention, if he thinks the focus of the ad was about the prez' kids, he's missing the point. The point was that ALL our kids are important enough to have protection, the prez's included. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blake 50 Posted January 18, 2013 Let's see how much can I DEFLATE your positive thoughts....how much can I make you feel DEJECTED.......... BTW I bet they are going to only allow three rounds....hey most FUDD guns are only three right....? Sell your guns now........before they make the full ban........ This is total BS.......another ass reaming we are going to get..... BLAH BLAH BLAH....... ************* YES BE CONCERNED WE ALL ARE ************************ BUT FOR CHRISTS SAKE BE POSITIVE.....WORK for POSITIVE change..............you keep throwing negativity around...that is WHAT YOU WILL GET.it will be a self fulfilling prophecy......... An frankly...instead of posting all this crap hear...maybe sending more letters and calls to your REPS would be better..........more letters to newspapers....etc....... STAY FLIPPING POSITIVE ............otherwise just give up now and talk about knitting....... my grandma is teaching me how to knit a woodland camo ar cover... in the meantime, until i am proficient at the art of knitting, I will be attending the pro 2A rallies and tossing my extra $ at the various pro 2A orgs in our state! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SW9racer 262 Posted January 18, 2013 No politicians are on our side. Their only goal is to get re-elected. They only answer to the polls. All these long winded letters and arguments do nothing. You only need to send one sentence "if you vote for any more restrictions, I will never vote for you". Only if their polls, of people who actually vote, show this will something happen. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
222 3 Posted January 18, 2013 Poll numbers are already starting drop for support of gun control. The December numbers were basically, "Do you hate guns?" The January numbers are more, "Do you think these proposals will make you safer?" By-and-large, Americans aren't stupid; they recognize recycled failed ideas when they see them. http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/16/politics/obama-gun-violence-provisions/index.html?hpt=hp_t3 Cuomo may have passed some legislation and screwed over NYState, but even if he survives the upstate NY'ers backlash, he's not looking good for Prez. A liberal democrat from NorthEast, and pile anti-2A on top of that? It'll be like Bloomberg running for Prez. The only way a Northeast politician looks good nationally is if they have conservative creds, like a Romney or Christie, and even then they have bend over backwards to convince rest of the country they aren't a closet liberal. Gun control may be hot, but it not salient in long run. Unlike gun owners, 2A is very salient. Worse thing we can do is shoot ourselves in the foot. http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/01/16/cnntime-poll-slight-dip-in-support-for-gun-control-measures-in-last-month/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gunguy1960 2 Posted January 18, 2013 All over the news, christie blasting n.r.a., this guy is constantly attacking republicans or sucking up to obama and that democrat big time supporter springsteen, why doesnt he just switch parties already. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
