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There was a segment on the radio.. I think NPR.. about the legalization of pot. One of the key points was that legalization would have very little impact on the price for recreational use. The main reason is that the biggest market for pot is for the fibers (rope) and something else and that those factors are from a completely different type of pot plant. Their point: Economically most commercial growers would grow the other plant for fibers...etc and the plant used for pharmaceutical use would still be fairly niche.

 

I think the federal government has to do something.. with States making it legal they have to address the conflict.. either look into making it legal federally or smack the states down.

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I find it amusing that there is a cross section of the anti legalization crowd that see nothing in downing a case of cheap beer,fifth of Jim Beam or some God awful alcoholic concoction on a regular basis but have the unmitigated gall to look down the nose at pot smokers as hippies,drug addicts and laze abouts. Then spout unproven and silted studies on grass being a "Gateway " drug just proving that there is a underlying ignorance and closed mindedness that is very similar to what we as gun enthusiast face today.

It aggravates me even more when they demonize cannabis, trying to link it to potential health effects... There has never been a confirmed case of death by cannabis. Yet alcohol kills 100,000's of people each year. And don't even get me started on RX medicine....

Cannabis does not cause addition, alcohol, tobacco and narcotic RX all do.

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Legalize it. Those that want it already have no problems getting it.

 

I welcome the increase in state/federal tax revenue, the decrease in criminal/cartel revenue, the decrease in law enforcement resources and jail space dedicated to a bs "crime", the reduction in stigma and fear of prosecution for those that medically *need* it and maybe, just maybe, a decrease in the "forbidden fruit" fascination with it.

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Legalize it and create a whole new industry - JOBS JOBS JOBS -

Then Discovery channel can make a show called "STOGGIES" for those who still want to buy illegal weed in dry counties.

 

Also maybe Amsterdam is so bad because it's the only place where it is legal thus drawing every dreg in the world to it - but I heard that was changing or has changed. It can’t help Amsterdam that there is also a ton of hot porno hookers and the Heineken factory there as well

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Legalize it. Those that want it already have no problems getting it.

 

I welcome the increase in state/federal tax revenue, the decrease in criminal/cartel revenue, the decrease in law enforcement resources and jail space dedicated to a bs "crime", the reduction in stigma and fear of prosecution for those that medically *need* it and maybe, just maybe, a decrease in the "forbidden fruit" fascination with it.

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I just saw this, and if I am reading it correctly there are democrats in the house that are introducing bills that would decriminalize marijuana use and leave it up to the states to decide on the legality? This is the same house that feels the federal government needs more laws on gun control.

 

Once again, it appears as though there are no more pressing issues for our lawmakers to deal with.

 

So, pot is good guns are bad? I just don't see the reasoning here, please correct me if I am wrong.

 

 

 

http://health.yahoo....ize-and-tax-pot

Yes backward progress values...Personally, someone wants to smoke pot - your business...But I grew up in a rough and tumble nighborhood and most of the "Professional"-Pot smokers (not the experiementers mind you) - were mentally stunted at least at the margins as teenagers and most remained more or less like that...Just another way for the progressives to dumb down society so you might be more reliant on big gov't and they can control you more...Just another pixal in their grand society vision.

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just another way for the progressives to dumb down society so you might be more reliant on big gov't and they can control you more...Just another pixal in their grand society vision.

 

This is my greatest fear, and I do believe it to be true.

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I'm quite certain just as many morons, lazy f*cks, and deadbeats exist in the non-pot smoking population as the pot smoking population. Some of them may have even served in the military. Generalizations add little to arguments, especially ones that are completely ignorant and way off base. You probably deal with a ton of people on a daily basis that smoke pot and you would never suspect it. My guess is those where you think it is obvious were probably stupid to begin with, the pot didn't do it to them.

 

Do you honestly think legalizing pot in the U.S. will turn our streets into Amsterdam or Frankfurt? If anything it will have the opposite effect as it will stem a lot of the suburb to urban trafficking **edit - meant urban to suburban trafficking**. Also, you don't "shoot up" with pot. So I'm not sure what that even has to do with legalizing marijuana.

 

The reason marijuana is illegal had nothing to do with smoking pot, it's effect on the brain, the lungs, etc. Heck, we now know it can actively KILL CANCER CELLS. It is illegal for reasons related to trade. There was a massive anti-weed propaganda campaign that was paid for by captains of certain industries because they wanted marijuana and hemp outlawed so it wouldn't compete with their products.

 

Holy sh*t, a massive propaganda campaign that goes against the facts to deprive citizens of something that should be a right... that sounds familiar!

 

Yeah at one time the military was full of pot heads. The military was once full of drop outs and burnouts threatened with jail time as well. Thats not the case anymore. Less than 10% can join without a diploma or GED and they require 20 college credits. Now moral waivers are required for petty crimes before you can join which are approved per case basis. I don't work with people who smoke pot because both careers have drug testing. You're not beating Uncle Sam on a piss test so it's not worth losing a clearance, PRP status or easily everything you've worked for or prison. Company policy is any injury requiring leaving work requires a drug test. What I write here is my opinion. You can attack it or whatever. I simply stated I dont like or trust stoners or drunks. Everyone knows somebody that smokes. That does NOT mean I want them in the cockpit with me while refueling $2 billion bombers full of nukes, or 20 stories up climbing ladders while on scaffolding troubling shooting live 480 with elevators running 1200FPM on both sides. Functional user or abuser makes no difference.

 

Smoking pot kills cancer? I suppose shooting yourself in the head cures a headache at least once. My wife is an Oncologist at Cooper and NOTHING you SMOKE into your lungs aside from air is going to help you with beat cancer but it might make you stoned or fat and stoned with cancer.

 

 

Perspective is just that. Viewed or skewed is up to each individual.

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Legalizing has some positive impacts - but I sure don't want to see that happen until they have good tests and laws in place to be certain we prevent people from driving while impaired by it.

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My issue is that what is overlooked by those who insist in their myopic and stereotypical characterization of a typical pot smoker is the millions of educated,productive,innovative people who smoke it recreationally not unlike the captains of industry and their single malt scotch,intelligentsia and their vintage wines or construction workers with their Buds. {see there, I too can indulge in hyperbole}.

And while we're at it let's not get into a debate on all those among us...friends,family and neighbors, upstanding citizens all who go through their days and lives stoned on any number of prescription meds but it's Okay.... it's from your local CVS.

The hypocrisy is astounding.

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Yeah at one time the military was full of pot heads. The military was once full of drop outs and burnouts threatened with jail time as well. Thats not the case anymore. Less than 10% can join without a diploma or GED and they require 20 college credits. Now moral waivers are required for petty crimes before you can join which are approved per case basis. I don't work with people who smoke pot because both careers have drug testing. You're not beating Uncle Sam on a piss test so it's not worth losing a clearance, PRP status or easily everything you've worked for or prison. Company policy is any injury requiring leaving work requires a drug test. What I write here is my opinion. You can attack it or whatever. I simply stated I dont like or trust stoners or drunks. Everyone knows somebody that smokes. That does NOT mean I want them in the cockpit with me while refueling $2 billion bombers full of nukes, or 20 stories up climbing ladders while on scaffolding troubling shooting live 480 with elevators running 1200FPM on both sides. Functional user or abuser makes no difference.

 

Smoking pot kills cancer? I suppose shooting yourself in the head cures a headache at least once. My wife is an Oncologist at Cooper and NOTHING you SMOKE into your lungs aside from air is going to help you with beat cancer but it might make you stoned or fat and stoned with cancer.

 

I think you missed my general point because you saw "may have even served in the military" in my statement. My point was that you can find lazy or stupid people in all walks of life. Pot smokers exist in all walks as well. If you think military, LEOs and people with clearance don't use, go ahead and keep believing it. Plenty of people beat drug tests provided by Uncle Sam. No one is advocating someone smoking up right before helping you refuel a bomber. Unless you're a teetotaller and equate every social user to a stoner or drunk, what do you care if someone has a drink or smokes at home?

 

 

 

I said marijuana kills cancer. The method of delivery can vary. However, I do recall reading about a research study that showed pot smokers had less incidence of certain types of cancer than smokers and non-smokers. I don't have time to go digging for it right now.

 

 

 

not only that but the stuff from CVS ends up leading to heroine.. so which is worse a pothead or opiate addict?

 

Exactly, the stuff from CVS is opiates! Makes you wonder if the Taliban was interfering with a production source or something...

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You guys ever read about cannibus and cancer treatment?

 

Its pretty amazing if it holds true. Ive come across a lot of breast cancer/skin cancer treatment articles.

I have,a close member of my family had breast cancer and grass was the only thing that assisted her in being able to endure long sessions of kemo and aided her appetite after.I've also seen it's effects on a friend with leukemia and how it eased his discomfort.

Ironically I grew up in a society where it was illegal but largely ignored and only smoked twice, both times resulting in a migraine but I was the best roller......

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Legalize all drugs, you erase the black market that causes much of our violent crime. Put money used to enforce those laws into rehab programs... extensive ones. Then we have less druggies on the street. Overall violence goes down. America is better. I am probably being a bit naive, however a lot of the crime in this country is driven by illegal drug trade.

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The amount of ignorance in here is astonishing...

 

most of the people i know who smoke, have jobs, work hard & save money....There also some of the most intelligent people i know. basically they are a NORMAL HUMAN BEINGS. Pot relaxes you, it doesnt turn you into a "drain on society" you do that all on your own... My brother is a heavy smoker since high school, he's also an electrical engineer graduating from Stevens in May. but he must be lazy dumb and stoopid and reliant on government support according to some of you

 

If you want to start making claims about how its counter-productive to society, then by all means let's see some hard proof instead of your "opinion" because frankly some of you sound exactly like the anti gunners, arguing how your perceived opinion is absolute... give me a break...

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Smoking pot kills cancer? I suppose shooting yourself in the head cures a headache at least once. My wife is an Oncologist at Cooper and NOTHING you SMOKE into your lungs aside from air is going to help you with beat cancer but it might make you stoned or fat and stoned with cancer.

 

 

 

 

There happens to be research out there which suggests otherwise.. not that its proven. I have read documented cases where cancer was eliminated while the patient smoked pot, and underwent NO chemo. Since Pot research has been stone walled for the majority of time, we are only now starting to learn about it's characteristics in the human body. My adviser at WPU is one of the leading researchers in NJ and the world, and they are still making significant findings since the day they started allowing research to open up.

you can look it up, here is the first link from google i found..

http://www.huffingto..._n_1898208.html

 

But hey, my wife is an oncologist so i must be right? right?

 

How about we follow our own advice as 2A supporters and back up our opinions with facts..

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There happens to be research out there which suggests otherwise.. not that its proven. I have read documented cases where cancer was eliminated while the patient smoked pot, and underwent NO chemo. Since Pot research has been stone walled for the majority of time, we are only now starting to learn about it's characteristics in the human body. My adviser at WPU is one of the leading researchers in NJ and the world, and they are still making significant findings since the day they started allowing research to open up.

you can look it up, here is the first link from google i found..

http://www.huffingto..._n_1898208.html

 

But hey, my wife is an oncologist so i must be right? right?

 

How about we follow our own advice as 2A supporters and back up our opinions with facts..

 

Damnit, stop confusing the situation with facts!

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extensive marujuana usage leads to gradual mental retardation... government wants mentally degrade the whole generation, so that will be easier for them to run the whole heard of shipple...

Since you offer not evidence or supporting study of your claim, are we to assume you speak from experience?. I have long suspected that you are of that ilk, judging from your posts without a intro or preamble, however you must be commended for at least communicating on a basic level. Bravo. :)

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The amount of ignorance in here is astonishing...

 

Says the pot head....... :drag:

A difference of opinion on something that can effect a society in both and good or bad way is a good thing.

To call people ignorant because if it astonishes me on how ignorant your being, The people should be makig

the decisions on these social matters not our so called elected officials that only see $$ signs when it comes

to drugs.

 

 

Ohh but what about the Kids and Lance Armstrong and Baseball and cheating!

Personally I beleive steroids should be legal and used by consenting adults under a Dr's

care, there has never been one reported death directly caused by steriod use including Lyle Alzado

but enter it into a sport and OMG all the people I know who are POT smokers and sports fans call the

Barry Bonds of the game cheaters and drug addicts. Everyone in this coutry is a Hyporicate of some sorty it just depends on the day or subject.

 

So dont sit on your high horse thinking that POT smokers are somehow enlighented, they happen to love

weed but probably would think my choise and want to use steroids is wrong and should remain illegal.

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Gave it up a long time ago. Not for any personal reason, but i accept it's illegal and everything that domino's from there is simply bad news. The risk is not worth the reward. Getting arrested wouldn't be fun, and a lot of people i know have been arrested so it puts a real impact on how you view it. it also impacts every aspect of your life, work and also the whole background check, which i need for work and not just firearms. I don't want to present myself like a dick with my position on the matter, maybe over generalized the responses. I agree the people should be making the choices, and so far the states have been. I dont know what correlation your making with steroids... i really don't. If some wants to destroy their body they can go do steroids if they want. To say steriods are illegal, is one thing. To say they are legal, but not allowed in sports is completely different, because as of right now it is unfair to the people who otherwise follow the rules. Also claiming that no one has ever overdosed from steroids is different from no one has actually died from the long term heavy use of steroids. If you want to do it for sports, set up two leagues... modified and stock..lol

I don't mind a difference in opinion, but we're essentially arguing whether or not alcohol should be legal from a recreational and social perspective. You really can't step away from that argument.

 

I'd rather see alcohol criminalized, it kills enough people every year, and so far every drunk i have met is a total A@@ hole.(sarcasm)

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Says the pot head....... :drag:

A difference of opinion on something that can effect a society in both and good or bad way is a good thing.

To call people ignorant because if it astonishes me on how ignorant your being, The people should be makig

the decisions on these social matters not our so called elected officials that only see $$ signs when it comes

to drugs.

 

 

Ohh but what about the Kids and Lance Armstrong and Baseball and cheating!

Personally I beleive steroids should be legal and used by consenting adults under a Dr's

care, there has never been one reported death directly caused by steriod use including Lyle Alzado

but enter it into a sport and OMG all the people I know who are POT smokers and sports fans call the

Barry Bonds of the game cheaters and drug addicts. Everyone in this coutry is a Hyporicate of some sorty it just depends on the day or subject.

 

So dont sit on your high horse thinking that POT smokers are somehow enlighented, they happen to love

weed but probably would think my choise and want to use steroids is wrong and should remain illegal.

 

 

this is probably really going to throw you..

but as long as the long term effects are readily available.. and clear to the end user....

 

I do not personally care if someone wants to smoke pot.... inject steroids... or snort heroin...

I see these as social non criminal issues... I instead would simply punish criminal behavior separate from drugs..

 

example.. if drugs cause to steal... or if greed causes you to steal.. its still stealing... punishable in the same manner... because the end result.. is you stole..

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You cant really overdose on a hormone and all steroids are a byproduct of testosterone.

 

My point is that everyone has an opinion on what they consider "Moral" in their point of view, someones moral fiber cannot really be wrong if that is how they truly feel. But I find many people who are in favor of natures cure for all being very closed minded to other things they dont feel are right for one reason or another.

 

I work with a guy who is an ex Heroin addict I also grew up with him. He stopped using heroin a long time

ago but is highly addicted to weed. He cannot funcion without it, he is so high strung he flips his lid every

4 hours and has to hit the parking lot for some herbal relief. He lost his 1st wife over the amout of money he

spends on it a week/month and has a poor reputation in the company I work for.

 

He is also the same guy that will tell people sterids will kill you dead, and they should be considered a class 3 substance which they are along with coke and heroin. But he fails to realize his own hypocrocy in the fact he smokes 2-3 blunt size joints a day on his own and cannot function without it to the point he no longer goes on vacations because he cannot get it, So he traded one addiction for another. I guess it's no different then booze as far as the addiction and personality part of it but what is different is that I can tell 100% when someone is drunk around me, I always cannot tell when they are high because some people like my friend are high 90% of the time they are awake. Last thing I wat are school bus drivers and teachers being high or coming down and no one can tell. What happes to employers do they stop testing for weed use, do truck drivers now get hired for long haul with no drug tests? These are logical questions that include real cause and effect that need to be looked into before we all start to delude oursevles into thinking this is a win win situation.

 

Im not for it, Im not against it I just want some more information and some impartial studies done by the same

people that want this bill to pass in Congress and Dr Ron Paul is one of them so it would be nice if he headed the study up.

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example.. if drugs cause to steal... or if greed causes you to steal.. its still stealing... punishable in the same manner... because the end result.. is you stole..

 

I would agree with you in a perfect world but in this Bleeding heart liberal world drugs=addiction, addiction=disese and disease=not your fault because the drugs made you do it. So before going to jail you get 20 strikes before you are out. Then there is the so called Genetic disposition to addiction you may or may not have inherited from your genes so how can this by your fault?

 

Responsibility is somethig I have lerned by growing up and making mistakes, I am all for less gonverment controll because I can controll myself but others simply cannot and will suck off any tit they can when they mess up over and over again. I can easily become a gambler I have gotten myslef in trouble 1 time with it about 13 years ago and have never gone back to it because I lerned from my mistake and no one helped me out of my hole that I dug. If I knew everyone were like this I would have more faith.

 

By the way I do not look down on people who smoke, I look down on idiots of all kinds regardless if they

smoke or not. Lord knows I was an idiot at one time and smoked my fair share of things.

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