stress levels are a little high methinks!

[axeman_g 128]

I think there's a large group of people on this forum right now losing their way. Recent happenings have maybe wound the rubber bands a little too tight for some. There are many on this form right now are extremely tin foil hat centric. If some stupid ass political choices by the party in power has you all planning for Armageddon you may want to reconsider where you get your news and how you research things and possibly view happenings. Go ahead and call me an ostrich for sticking my head in the sand but the tension level you created around on this board is way too high. Some of you may want to put down the keyboard and pick up a liquor bottle or a bong and chill the F out.

 

we need to fight for our human rights and get rid of the politicians that are corrupt not plan for the take over by the federal government which is not going to happen.

Blast away all you want... you all are losing it. Stay focused.

[mipafox 438]

Ostrich.

[71ragtopgoat 23]

You handle things your way and I'll handle mine my way. Its a free country if you are getting wound up over some on here getting wound up good for you. Thats what freedom is about

[A-Tech 8]

It's it wrong to think we are fighting for our rights, out of fear of a government take over? What's so hard to believe when they've destroyed our economy, increased entitlements, don't secure our borders, raise a dhs army, and then try to strip of us of certain inalienable rights? I mean I guess it's okay if it's all for the children right? Sounds vaguely familiar if you ask me.

[PeteF 1,044]

I guess we wouldn't have a government that runs gun trying to take away 2A rights.

I guess we don't have a government with pre-written bills waiting for a tragedy to occur.

I guess we don't have a government that gives 2 billion dollars in front line equipment to terrorists.

I guess we don't have a government that will walk away from ambassadors and his security staff because we wouldn't want to offend the people trying to kill them.

 

If you think there is anything OUR GOVERNMENT wouldn't do if they thought they could get away with it, you need to pull your head out of the sand.

[Mike48 0]

I think you are relaxing too soon, but great.....one more person in the pot line is one less on the ammo que ....

[k3c4forlife 0]

I'M NOT WOUND UP, ARE YOU WOUND UP? WHO'S WOUND UP? I THINK WE'RE FINE, WE'RE FINE RIGHT? YOU'RE WOUND UP. YOU DON'T KNOW ME.

[Handyman 5,682]

If not now, when should we get wound up? Should we wait until they are actually at our door saying we are here for your arms? If it gets to that point, it is shooting time. So hopefully being wound up now can avert things down the road.

[mcm308 0]

WHOS WOUND UP? IM NOT WOUND UP. YOU WOUND UP?

 

Molon Labe

 

 

[wooly bugger 1]

Frankly, this is the worst I've seen in my politically aware life. Both at the Federal and State level.

 

For you old-timers, what was it like in the stagflation early '70s? From my history books, that's the last time I can imagine things felt this way.

 

It's not the government that frightens me. It's the people who think it's all good, and as long as they mind their own business, they'll be fine, and they'll just keep voting for more of the same.

 

To reverse Michelle Obama's famous statement, "for the first time in my life, I'm ashamed to be an American."

[pbkid6974 1]

i think you need to wake up from your dream and realize that they are trying to strip you of your rights. no one here is saying lets go kill them all right now. although the other side has said this repeatedly. we are trying the best we can to use the system to fix the system. but most of us are not naive enough to not prepare for the worst case scenario. we are a gathering of like minded people that wish to discuss our plans and thought with each other. if you dont like it then no one is forcing you to read or post in this forum.

[mipafox 438]

i think you need to wake up from your dream and realize that they are trying to strip you of your rights. no one here is saying lets go kill them all right now.

 

Speak for yourself.

[DSD1026 48]

The fact that the gov't is taking the clear first steps to disarm the population should send up red flags to everyone. If you don't feel like this is what is happening, I suggest you read history a little bit. They start by taking away smaller rights (ones that our forefathers strictly forbade against, mind you) and then will end up taking bigger ones. That's how revolutions start.

[Soju 153]

Speaking of ostriches...

 

http://njgunforums.com/forum/index.php?/topic/44296-favorite-flightless-bird/

[BarkNBite 15]

Please explain a billion rounds of hollow point ammo purchased by FEMA.....our military doesn't use HP....against the Geneva Convention......waiting paitiently.

[z2886 0]

You wound up bro?

[BarkNBite 15]

Nope................just askin'......I'm sittin' back waitin' for the Messiah.

[jrfly3006 42]

You've all pretty much proved his point..

[Tunaman 548]

Please explain a billion rounds of hollow point ammo purchased by FEMA.....our military doesn't use HP....against the Geneva Convention......waiting paitiently.

Secret Service, Justice Department, NOAA, DHS, FBI, Coast Guard ...Do all these guys use hollow points? I wouldn't doubt it.

[Walt of Destiny 412]

"I am a kind of paranoid in reverse. I suspect people of plotting to make me happy."

 

J. D. Salinger

[Walt of Destiny 412]

Secret Service, Justice Department, NOAA, DHS, FBI, Coast Guard ...Do all these guys use hollow points? I wouldn't doubt it.

 

NOAA? C'mon. Weathermen?

[HODGIE 3]

Please explain a billion rounds of hollow point ammo purchased by FEMA.....our military doesn't use HP....against the Geneva Convention......waiting paitiently.

 

Well the easy answer to that is they really arent. This info has also been cofirmed by the NRA and Hornady the bullet manufacture for many other ammo manufacture also stated that 98% of all ammo they make and supply for is for civillian use, their 2% gov contract has not changed in years. Remember both sides want sheeple, the boys over at info wars are no better then the people who type BS for the huffigton post.

 

 

http://senseofevents...not-so.html?m=1

[Walt of Destiny 412]

Infowars ain't helping our cause.

 

+10

[HODGIE 3]

Here's some more people on our side debunking the B.S.

 

The National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF) has a post clearing up rumors about Government ammo purchases - an ongoing rumor that has helped fuel the buying panic and driven up the price of ammo:

 

Rumors about the federal government purchasing large quantities of ammunition, possibly for use against the American populace in case of civil unrest, have made their inevitable journey from postings and blogs on various Internet sites two weeks ago to phone calls to conservative talk radio programs more recently.

 

Because rumors are usually based on a kernel of truth that is misconstrued, exaggerated and then propagated, let’s be very clear: There is nothing out of the ordinary going on.

 

U.S. government procurement practices are baffling to begin with, as any federal contractor will tell you. All of them employ experienced specialists who spend countless hours just to do business with Uncle Sam.

 

So, when complex purchasing process is combined with an eye-popping number of up to 450 million rounds of .40 caliber to be purchased over five years by the Department of Homeland Security for its array of agencies, added to lesser amounts sought by smaller agencies with law enforcement responsibilities, it seems to some that something nefarious must be brewing. As the trade association for the firearms and ammunition industry, we want to get the facts out.

 

Our members confirm what we are seeing is the normal functioning of the Feds’ procurement apparatus. When you do the math in the case of the DHS purchase, even the maximum purchase would add up to less than 1,400 round per year for all 65,000 DHS law enforcement personnel. That doesn’t seem outrageous considering training and qualification requirements.

 

And you don’t just have to take our word for it. The NRA Institute for Legislative Action took on this rumor last week in a well done post. To its credit, the office of U.S. Representative Lynn Westmoreland, who is well respected for his support of the 2nd Amendment, looked into the issue and posted this helpful research.

 

“It behooves you to be watchful in your States as well as in the Federal Government,” President Andrew Jackson said in his farewell address. We agree, but some perspective is also required. This particular rumor should be put to rest.

 

The NRA-ILA which is certainly not pro-Obama, and keeps an eye on 2nd Amendment liberties posted this:

 

You may recently have seen some in the Internet rumor mill feverishly repeating the obvious truth above, in an effort to stir up fear about recent acquisitions of ammunition by the Department of Homeland Security and a number of smaller agencies. The mildest writers have questioned why seemingly mundane agencies would need ammunition at all; more incendiary authors suggest that these government agencies are preparing for a war with the American people.

 

Much of the concern stems from a lack of understanding of the law enforcement functions carried about by officers in small federal agencies. These agents have the power to make arrests and execute warrants, just like their better-known counterparts at agencies like the FBI.

 

For instance, the Social Security Administration solicited offers for 174,000 rounds of pistol ammunition. But the agency has 295 special agents who combat Social Security fraud that costs tax payers billions each year, so the order works out to roughly 590 rounds of ammunition per agent for training, mandatory quarterly qualification shooting and duty use. More than a few NRA members would use that much ammunition in a weekend shooting class or plinking session.

 

Another recent rumor questioned a request for 46,000 rounds of.40-caliber ammo by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. NOAA inadvertently fueled that speculation through a clerical error that suggested the ammunition was destined for the National Weather Service. NOAA later clarified that the ammunition was actually for the little known Fisheries Office of Law Enforcement, which enforces laws against illegal fishing and marine life importation. The ammunition is for 63 personnel, amounting to about 730 rounds per officer.

 

The most widespread of the recent rumors involves a Department of Homeland Security contract for a maximum of 450 million rounds of .40-caliber jacketed hollow-points, to be supplied over the next five years.

 

After receiving numerous questions from his constituents regarding the contract, pro-Second Amendment U.S. Rep. Lynn Westmoreland (R-Ga.) and his staff set out in search of the truth. In a press release, Rep. Westmoreland's office explains:

 

If you take the number of agencies that will be using this ammunition – CBP, Citizenship and Immigration Services, the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), ICE, the U.S. Secret Service, Transportation Security Administration, the DHS police force, and all the guards that protect the various buildings these agencies are housed in, and spread that out over 5 years, you start to see that 450 million rounds really isn't that large of an order. Especially considering it is used for training purposes like firing range and live fire exercises, on-the-job use (though that is very limited), and to shore up their supplies. In fact, there are 65,000 – 70,000 law enforcement personnel at DHS who would be covered under this … ammunition contract. If DHS were to purchase all 450 million rounds over 5 years, then that would equate to only about 1,384 rounds of ammo per year per law enforcement [officer] … assuming the lower estimate of only 65,000 law enforcement personnel at DHS. Considering those agents go through training exercises several times per year, that is not a lot of ammunition.

 

Perhaps most strangely, some have cited the purchase of hollow-point ammunition as evidence of the federal government's evil motives. Hollow-points are the defensive ammunition of choice for federal, state and local law enforcement officers across the country, just as they are for private citizens. These attacks are eerily similar to statements made by gun prohibitionists, who spent the much of the '70s, '80s and '90s complaining about "dum dum" bullets. (In fact, the Violence Policy Center's website still exhibits a publication lamenting that federal ammunition law "has no effect on today's generation of high-tech hollow-point ammunition.") The attacks also ignore the fact that federal agents, unlike average taxpayers on more limited budgets, normally train and qualify with their duty ammunition.

 

As most gun owners will agree, skepticism of government is healthy. But today, there are more than enough actual threats to the Second Amendment to keep gun owners busy. With two key Supreme Court decisions hanging by a one-vote margin, the Justice Department deeply involved in a cover-up of a disastrous Mexican gun smuggling operation, and President Obama touting a ban on popular semi-automatic firearms, there is no need to invent additional threats to our rights.

[BarkNBite 15]

Guess we'll all find out eventually.................as I said, old and sittin' back watchin' the parade go by....some younger guys here have alot left to learn...IMO.

 

Stagflation.......was nothin' like this......at least people got along.

[Vlad G 345]

Speak for yourself.

 

Well it isn't my place to comment on the sentiment behind that, but remember everything on the internet is forever so sometimes it pays to know when to shout your mouth and when to shut your mouth.

[Soju 153]

Please explain a billion rounds of hollow point ammo purchased by FEMA.....our military doesn't use HP....against the Geneva Convention......waiting paitiently.

 

1. Yes we (our military) do.

2. The Geneva convention applies to war.

3. FEMA and the other agencies I assume you are referring to are not the military.

[mipafox 438]

Well it isn't my place to comment on the sentiment behind that, but remember everything on the internet is forever so sometimes it pays to know when to shout your mouth and when to shut your mouth.

 

I have more important "forever" on my mind than "the internet," which may or may not outlive you. Humanity.Mind your own mouth first, then worry about mine if you must.

[Pizza Bob 1,488]

NOAA? C'mon. Weathermen?

 

Sure....they were an underground group in the 60's - now they've gone mainstream

 

And it was the Hague Convention of 1899 that prohibited expanding bullets in war, not the Geneva. Hey, if you're going to be paranoid, at least get your facts straight.

 

Adios,

 

Pizza Bob

[djg0770 481]

"Tell me about the rabbits, George..."

 

-Steinbeck