JD1037 125 Posted April 29, 2018 3 minutes ago, Scorpio64 said: expensive So much clearer now....thanks ???? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scorpio64 5,147 Posted April 29, 2018 13 hours ago, Mrs.Zeke said: So much clearer now....thanks ???? no problem, happy to help. @Mrs.Zeke https://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/sights/rear-sights/ar-15-multiple-aperture-mad-rear-sight-prod26606.aspx 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
High Exposure 5,661 Posted April 29, 2018 GGG is a company MAD (Multiple Aperture Device) is a rear sight they developed for the Navy where both apertures are in the same plane - the Troy’s and Magpul sights are as well. Having the aperture in the same visualmplane allow the to better co-witness with RDS and let both apertures have the same zero distance. Most rear iron sights on the M16 FoW have a small and large aperture. When you zero one, the other has a different zero giving the Soldier/Marine a large aperture zero for close (inside 300 meters) and small aperture zero for far (past 300 meters).** Most civilian shooters are better served with a same plane iron sight. ** There’s more to that, but that’s the quick and dirty of it. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
High Exposure 5,661 Posted April 29, 2018 37 minutes ago, Scorpio64 said: expensive I think the MAD is cheaper than the Troy rear BUIS. I don’t like tritium sights on my rifles so that is cheaper as well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scorpio64 5,147 Posted April 29, 2018 13 hours ago, High Exposure said: I think the MAD is cheaper than the Troy rear BUIS. I don’t like tritium sights on my rifles so that is cheaper as well. Actually, the MAD isn't terribly expensive, it looks to be in the same range as Magpul MBUS Pro. You get what you pay for. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray Ray 3,566 Posted April 29, 2018 19 minutes ago, Scorpio64 said: Actually, the MAD isn't terribly expensive, it looks to be in the same range as Magpul MBUS Pro. You get what you pay for. 200 clams?!?!? Pass https://www.gggaz.com/ar-mad-front-and-rear-sight-packages.html 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scorpio64 5,147 Posted April 30, 2018 16 hours ago, Ray Ray said: 200 clams?!?!? Pass https://www.gggaz.com/ar-mad-front-and-rear-sight-packages.html If you order it from Brownell's you can pay in US dollars instead of clams, they only charge $122.00 or Amazon $105.00. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray Ray 3,566 Posted April 30, 2018 34 minutes ago, Scorpio64 said: If you order it from Brownell's you can pay in US dollars instead of clams, they only charge $122.00 or Amazon $105.00. That's more better Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shane45 807 Posted April 30, 2018 Although I have a number of BUIS, KAC's are my favorite. I like the way they adjust and I get a crisp clear sight picture through them. The stock irons on some of my other rifles are good. But my LEAST favorite are the stock BUIS on the Tavor. https://www.knightarmco.com/1960/shop/optic-mount-buis/micro-rear-flip-sight-2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray Ray 3,566 Posted April 30, 2018 9 hours ago, Shane45 said: But my LEAST favorite are the stock BUIS on my Tavor. The idea behind them was something to have in case of an emergency BUT not to be in the way of your primary optic. They work, mostly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shane45 807 Posted April 30, 2018 Hmmmm and all this time I was wondering why they call them back up iron sights! My issue isnt with their operation or location. Its with the sight picture through them. For me its a very muted picture. The way they are letting the light through(or not) or the shape of the opening or something in the way they are shaped makes for a very dim sight picture for me. So much so that they are fundamentally unusable for me in low light. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PK90 3,570 Posted April 30, 2018 I don't use or need BUIS. Not necessary. Optics never fail. If batteries die, change them. If you dropped your rifle on the optic and it breaks, buy another. What's the emergency? Is there someone after you? Do you expect to go to battle with the Popo? Please. Okay. I understand the fantasy commando world you live in and that you can't have real guns. So you load up your guns with extra bullshit feel good accessories which doubles the weight, but does nothing for accuracy. Unlike this post Zeke and RayRay.[emoji104]I post this in jest. Take no offense. [emoji111]Sent from an undisclosed location via Tapatalk 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sevenshot 98 Posted April 30, 2018 The mapgul gen 2 BUS are pretty good. I've put them on and needed little to no adjustment. Cheap enough as well to justify likely never using them. To each their own on BUS though. I usually sell the magpul BUS that tend to come with kits but nothing wrong with throwing them on if you want. If my red dot battery dies, I put the weapon back in the bag and shoot something else for the day. In a home defense situation, I can easily point and shoot the 15 feet or less with black rifles, though I doubt I'd pick it up for that situation anyway (shotgun guy). Again, to each their own. Now if I was going into combat or LEO, that'd be much different. I'd also have the $1000 red dot, the best body armor, etc. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shane45 807 Posted April 30, 2018 Well...there is that whole accuracy thing :D. If I wanna shoot fast I use the dot. If I want to make a tight group at a reasonable distance I use irons. Tactical Timmy aside, in a more practical sense, the outing need not end if the optic dies. In terms of competition, I have had to deploy my BUIS in a stage when the dot went TU. And then there is real use. There I am a fan of fixed, lower 1/3rd. But I live with flip irons 99% because thats not my world, Im mostly LPV's at this point. I just designed for the other one 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJM981 924 Posted April 30, 2018 I agree with Shane. My groups with irons are much better than a red dot. I didn't say they're good, but they're better. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted April 30, 2018 She got Troys on eBay.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted April 30, 2018 8 hours ago, PK90 said: I don't use or need BUIS. Not necessary. Optics never fail. If batteries die, change them. If you dropped your rifle on the optic and it breaks, buy another. What's the emergency? Is there someone after you? Do you expect to go to battle with the Popo? Please. Okay. I understand the fantasy commando world you live in and that you can't have real guns. So you load up your guns with extra bullshit feel good accessories which doubles the weight, but does nothing for accuracy. Unlike this post Zeke and RayRay. I post this in jest. Take no offense. Sent from an undisclosed location via Tapatalk I dislike this post @Ray Ray. Wut? He said too Tbh @PK90the only person that doesn’t need back up is Chuck Norris. Because he is the back up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shane45 807 Posted April 30, 2018 47 minutes ago, Zeke said: She got Choys on eBay.. Fixed it for you 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted April 30, 2018 12 minutes ago, Shane45 said: Fixed it for you I guess we will see Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJM981 924 Posted May 1, 2018 4 hours ago, Zeke said: She got Troys on eBay.. https://troyind.com/products/dioptic-folding-sight-blk https://troyind.com/products/m4-folding-sight-blk I have those. They work well. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
raz-0 1,259 Posted May 1, 2018 My $0.02. Feel free to not take my advice. If your front BUIS is attached to the rail, you are probably wasting your time unless it is VERY, VERY rigid. Anything offset is going to kind of suck for longer ranges, and if it is not longer ranges, just canting the gun and sighting down the forearm will take you pretty far. My guns using them are flip ups integral to the gas block. They are the least wrong of the solutions accessible for a DIY build. My rear of choice is the arms 40 LP. Magpul pro is the same logic, and I'd buy one of them if I didn't already own all that I need in arms 40lp flavor. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray Ray 3,566 Posted May 1, 2018 2 hours ago, raz-0 said: My $0.02. Feel free to not take my advice. If your front BUIS is attached to the rail, you are probably wasting your time unless it is VERY, VERY rigid. Anything offset is going to kind of suck for longer ranges, and if it is not longer ranges, just canting the gun and sighting down the forearm will take you pretty far. My guns using them are flip ups integral to the gas block. They are the least wrong of the solutions accessible for a DIY build. My rear of choice is the arms 40 LP. Magpul pro is the same logic, and I'd buy one of them if I didn't already own all that I need in arms 40lp flavor. I have no clue what you are talking about. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shane45 807 Posted May 1, 2018 There are two things that can cause a shift in a rail mounted front sight. The one he is referring to is likely deflection of the forend from outside forces such as the sling. Thus the reason he is saying you need a strong forend (that doesn't deflect as much). The other thing is when a barrel heats up, if it walks a bit, the rail mounted sight didnt go with it possibly causing a shift as well. If the sight is on the gas block and the barrel walks, since its on the barrel, theoretically it will reduce the shift because it moves with it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray Ray 3,566 Posted May 2, 2018 What are you guys talking about? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shane45 807 Posted May 2, 2018 The finite balance of thermodynamics, pythagorean theorem and their intersect in calculus. 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted May 2, 2018 10 hours ago, Shane45 said: The finite balance of thermodynamics, pythagorean theorem and their intersect in calculus. Soooo quadratic 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted May 2, 2018 Elastic modulus @Ray Ray. It’s not string theory hard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob0115 1,105 Posted May 2, 2018 My absolute favorites are Baba-Buis. You can't beat them. Sorry couldn't resist. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted May 12, 2018 Comparing her Troy’s to my Magpul Pro’s. Troys aren’t gonna stay long.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
High Exposure 5,661 Posted May 12, 2018 Why? I suggest shooting with them first. I do not like MBUS PRO, looking through the rear sight bothers me. The sight picture is off to me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites