A3659: Bans .50 cal weapons

[voyager9 3,434]

A3659/S2178 do not appear on today's Senate docket.

NJ.com article says it was held by the sponsor so that it can be amended to take affect immediately

[wooly bugger 1]

NJ.com article says it was held by the sponsor so that it can be amended to take affect immediately

Link?

[tom catman 0]

so if  .50 in n.j. is to be a nfa....why dont they extend it to open up nfa to n.j?.....

[voyager9 3,434]

Link?

http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2013/05/senate_passes_15_new_gun_bills.html#incart_river

[Parikh1234 0]

NJ.com article says it was held by the sponsor so that it can be amended to take affect immediately

What does that mean? Does it have to still pass but is effective immediately after it passes?

[msokad 3]

I assume all .50 cal firearms will be grandfathered?

[voyager9 3,434]

What does that mean? Does it have to still pass but is effective immediately after it passes?

It would take effect as soon as it is signed by the Governor..  Many bills have a 'start date' written into them such as "30 days after signed into law".. etc. 

 

Obviously a significant portion of the population of NJ is threatened by .50 cal firearms on a daily basis.  The bill must take effect immediately "To save just one life.. Won't someone think of the children!"

[Parikh1234 0]

I assume all .50 cal firearms will be grandfathered?

I sure hope so. Also what is the date to be grandfathered? I bought the gun well before the ban and have an invoice but just submitted the NICS check sunday. 

 

It would take effect as soon as it is signed by the Governor..  Many bills have a 'start date' written into them such as "30 days after signed into law".. etc. 

 

Obviously a significant portion of the population of NJ is threatened by .50 cal firearms on a daily basis.  The bill must take effect immediately "To save just one life.. Won't someone think of the children!"

 

This is so stupid. Why doesnt any even fight back against this? How are they allowed to make laws like this. I cant tell you how frustrating this is. Lets ban all 18 wheelers and dump trucks to make sure people dont get killed in car accidents anymore. 

 

Is the SAF or NRA doing anything about this?

[Fred2 367]

I think, "we, the people", get to vote on this in November.

[Parikh1234 0]

I think, "we, the people", get to vote on this in November.

 

I never really got this logic. Its a very brainwashed mentality. Oh great you get to vote in november, your vote, which "might" elect someone who still will stick up and try and please the stupid masses in this country. Even then if they decide to try and change some of the laws, it has to go through a voting process in which the senates and councils might not be controlled by people who agree. Voting, even though I do it, doesnt hold as much weight as you think it does. 

[voyager9 3,434]

This is so stupid. Why doesnt any even fight back against this? How are they allowed to make laws like this. I cant tell you how frustrating this is. Lets ban all 18 wheelers and dump trucks to make sure people dont get killed in car accidents anymore. 

 

Is the SAF or NRA doing anything about this?

As you can tell from the posts in this thread, and similar ones on this site.. everyone is frustrated.  Those that can, have been attending rally's and the legislative events to speak out against the bills.  The frustration comes from the fact that the legislature is not listening and plowing ahead.  When that happens, the only^h^h^hfirst recourse is to try to vote those people out..

[Parikh1234 0]

As you can tell from the posts in this thread, and similar ones on this site.. everyone is frustrated.  Those that can, have been attending rally's and the legislative events to speak out against the bills.  The frustration comes from the fact that the legislature is not listening and plowing ahead.  When that happens, the only^h^h^hfirst recourse is to try to vote those people out..

 

Yeah I know, like I said above, its sad that the only recourse we have is voting. Its just not fair... 

[Fred2 367]

From results a few years ago discussing off year elections.

 

Democrats made a similar three-seat gain in the state legislative elections in New Jersey, but Republicans retained control of both houses there. The New Jersey campaign saw a record low turnout of only 35 percent of registered voters, combined with record spending by the two big business parties, nearly $20 million combined, an unprecedented amount for an election involving only the lower house of a state legislature.

 

 

If the 10-12 % of pissed of gun owners vote, it  could have a huge effect.

[Parikh1234 0]

Hey I always vote...

 

So back on topic, anything we can do at this point to show the rule makers that we are not in support of this or anything SAF/NRA, etc can do to sue?

[voyager9 3,434]

Hey I always vote...

 

 

I always vote.. and now I know more about who to vote against..

[msokad 3]

We the legal gun owners of NJ really need to get the word out this November. Help all pro 2A politicians any way possible. Voting these crooks out of office will be the only way we can get these dumb bill overturned if Christie signs them into law.

[Parikh1234 0]

Do you think writing or calling Christie's office would help? If he sees a large amount of calls and letters come in, wont he think twice?

[voyager9 3,434]

Do you think writing or calling Christie's office would help? If he sees a large amount of calls and letters come in, wont he think twice?

Certainly.. see this thread, and others for examples others have written/said.

[Parikh1234 0]

I will write something well thought out tonight and send it over tomorrow. 

[jm1827 284]

Certainly.. see this thread, and others for examples others have written/said.

 

 

 

Yes, yes and yes.  Write, call, fax and email and then get anyone else you know to do the same. 

 

 

 

I have been sending short to the point correspondences as well as longer versions that explain, in no uncertain terms that any vote that any anti- gun stance that Christie makes will eliminate him from contention for any VP or even presidential consideration come the next election.

 

[222 3]

S2178 was moved back to 2nd reading for Amendment, Amendment passed 21 Yea.

It will be picked up in subsequent meeting for 3rd reading and vote.

[msokad 3]

I sure hope so. Also what is the date to be grandfathered? I bought the gun well before the ban and have an invoice but just submitted the NICS check sunday. 

 

 

Brought the gun and have possession are 2 different things. If the grandfathering is for all .50 cal guns, then you would need to have possession of your gun before the bill is signed into law. 

[msokad 3]

I read this bill here:

http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/2012/Bills/S2500/2178_R2.HTM

 

I have one question, does this ban a Smith 500?  As far as I read it, all destructive devices must:

"that is capable of firing a projectile that attains a muzzle energy of 12,000 foot-pounds or greater in any combination of bullet, propellant, case, or primer."

 

The 500 Mag round does not come close to 12000 ft-lbs, and despite the huge X frame you can't chamber a BMG into this revolver... 

 

If the bill only had this line, then this would only affect the 50 BMG since the muzzle energy starts around 13,000. The "The provisions of this paragraph shall not apply to a smooth bore shotgun or rifle barrel shotgun or any shotgun ammunition generally recognized as suitable for sporting purposes in this State"  line causes a problem since it does not state "handgun".

[BlueLineFish 615]

The NICS for my 500 can't clear fast enough

[msokad 3]

Not sure if anyone caught this sentence in the bill.

 

f. If a prohibited weapon registered pursuant to this section is used in the commission of a crime, the registrant of that prohibited weapon shall be civilly liable for any damages resulting from that crime.

 

They really do stay up at night to find new ways to screw over legal gun owners.

[NicePants 58]

I'm going to save up and buy a S&W .500 Magnum and then promptly lose it in a tragic boating accident.

[Parikh1234 0]

Anyone have any updates to this? Was it put into place this week?

[BlueLineFish 615]

Got my 500 today. Now it can be a granddaddy

[msokad 3]

Nothing is grandfathered until the ink is dry. Until then we need to keep the up the pressure that this bill never becomes law.

[monmouth 19]

Question,

 

If I currently own a 50 cal and this bill becomes law thus grandfathering, can I sell my 50 cal to another nj resident some time in the future? Does the firearm get grandfathered in the state or is it limited to my ownership meaning if I want to sell it, it has to go out of state and never return back to nj?