Old Dog 19 Posted March 24, 2013 I moved from NJ before there was a one gun per month rule and am trying to understand what it is supposed to accomplish. Does it apply to only handguns or all firearms. Since you can only shoot one firearm at a time, two if you have one in each hand, what is it supposed to prevent? Am I more dangerous if I attack you with 10 firearms instead of 1? Is it going to change a mentally ill person's mind about a mass killing if he has to wait an extra month or two? From what I read it appears that these kind of guys plan their attacks for months anyway. If it just applies to handguns, WTF? Rifles are much more deadly than handguns. I just do not get the logic behind the law and was not up there when it was made law so I missed the process that made it law. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlueLineFish 615 Posted March 24, 2013 Handguns only. The law is dumb and prevents no crime. Just a major hassle for law abiding citizens Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alec.mc 180 Posted March 24, 2013 Why one gun a month? Because they couldnt pass Zero gun a month. It accomplishes nothing. You arent missing the point. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jermz1987 243 Posted March 24, 2013 Because somebody needs to think of the children! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NJMac 0 Posted March 24, 2013 The unsupported theory is to prevent straw purchases. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gunguy1960 2 Posted March 24, 2013 This was all part of a plot hatched by wives to slow down our spending on handguns. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
monroe5 0 Posted March 24, 2013 that law will not prevent a straw purchase...just spread it out Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
M1152 713 Posted March 24, 2013 because this A-hole thought it was a good idea to get some left wing brownie points. Vas was the sponsor of the bill Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wooly bugger 1 Posted March 24, 2013 Our legislature astutely picked up on the fact that, due to NJ's recklessly lax gun laws, people were flocking to NJ to make straw purchases. OGAM has forced straw purchasers to reluctantly jump through the arbitrarily imposed hoops in states like VA and as a result, saved the lives of countless children. We should be grateful for the endless wisdom of our rulers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Howard 538 Posted March 24, 2013 The OGAM rule has been thrown out! It is now one gun every 36-45 days thanks to extended "Instant" NICS! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Old Glock guy 1,127 Posted March 24, 2013 This reminds me of "Who's on first?". You can go round and round trying to get it to make sense, and it's never going to happen. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Old Dog 19 Posted March 24, 2013 Because somebody needs to think of the children! I cannot read this statement without thinking about the hypocrisy of our country who fires drones to kill one man and counts the dead innocent children who happen to be standing too close as collateral and acceptable damage. Politicians who say this do nothing about the many other things that kill our children in greater numbers like swimming pools and school buses but when it comes to guns it is a different story. I tend to view people as humans with all those things we try to pretend we have risen above like violence. Sugar coat it all we like, we are just acting the same way as humans did since the beginning of our species. We still wage war and kill people who do not believe as we do and yet loudly proclaim our opposition to violence. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Old Dog 19 Posted March 24, 2013 I get it now. Florida has a more sensible approach in that anyone purchasing more than 2/3 guns is reported to BATF who then has the option to investigate whether it is a straw purchase or not. This does not impose any buying limits on me nor does it register my guns as only the type of weapon is reported and not the serial number. So we already have a method of monitoring straw purchases and yet NJ saw fit to make their own. Interesting. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xkon 0 Posted March 24, 2013 Because youre not trusted to buy two within a month? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Old Dog 19 Posted March 24, 2013 You would think that politicians have learned some lessons from our failed attempt on illegal drug control where we now hand out clean needles to addicts as that saves more lives than anything else our government does. Stop the source and another source will be found so the problem does not go away, just the method. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RAL1979 9 Posted March 24, 2013 Why one gun a month? Because they couldnt pass Zero gun a month. It accomplishes nothing. You arent missing the point. This Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mipafox 438 Posted March 24, 2013 They wanted O-GAY!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bob2222 316 Posted March 25, 2013 The unsupported theory is to prevent straw purchases. The other unsupported theory is that gangsters in Camden and Trenton are too dumb to find their way across the Delaware River to Pennsylvania. To make those New Jersey prohibited straw purchases of more than one handgun per month. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
halbautomatisch 60 Posted March 25, 2013 I moved from NJ before there was a one gun per month rule and am trying to understand what it is supposed to accomplish. Does it apply to only handguns or all firearms. Since you can only shoot one firearm at a time, two if you have one in each hand, what is it supposed to prevent? Am I more dangerous if I attack you with 10 firearms instead of 1? Is it going to change a mentally ill person's mind about a mass killing if he has to wait an extra month or two? From what I read it appears that these kind of guys plan their attacks for months anyway. If it just applies to handguns, WTF? Rifles are much more deadly than handguns. I just do not get the logic behind the law and was not up there when it was made law so I missed the process that made it law. .....and you never will........ there is no logic, only politics. This was Corzine's master plan to get reelected since he had nothing to show the masses. Since Democrats do not like guns, they figured it would be a good way to slow the "proliferation" of handguns. As others have said, this was rammed through the legislature at 2am, with a lot of arm twisting, under the guise of preventing straw purchases - the biggest farce ever. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigHayden 77 Posted March 25, 2013 Since the average "time to crime" for a gun purchased in NJ is 12 years (compared to ~3 for other states), we should see the reduction in crime in just about 7 more years. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pythagoras 2 Posted March 25, 2013 Since the average "time to crime" for a gun purchased in NJ is 12 years (compared to ~3 for other states), we should see the reduction in crime in just about 7 more years. Spot on. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nuclearheli 40 Posted March 25, 2013 The OGAM rule has been thrown out! It is now one gun every 36-45 days thanks to extended "Instant" NICS! OGAM is retarded and serves no useful purpose. However the "extended OGAM" due to NICS is all over the forums and actually that is a procedural issue with the dealer you are purchasing the firearm from. There are NO laws that prevent a dealer/FFL from running the NICS check in advance of the transfer. In fact NICS is valid for 30 days from the date it was initiated. I allow my clients to complete their NICS in advance of transfer of the firearm if they are waiting on the 30 day rule and everything else is in place. I will not allow NICS in advance if they are waiting for a pistol permit or FID Card, that is a variable amount of time and cannot be predicted. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mcbethr 42 Posted March 25, 2013 The unsupported theory is to prevent straw purchases. +1. This. The people who sponsored this bill can't imagine why anybody even needs *one* gun much less multiple handguns. It's a solution in search of a problem and makes a good sound bite. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alex1788 0 Posted March 28, 2013 This was all part of a plot hatched by wives to slow down our spending on handguns. lol Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlueLineFish 615 Posted March 28, 2013 This was all part of a plot hatched by wives to slow down our spending on handguns.we have people who already want to tell our wives stuff like that Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MarkWVU02 47 Posted March 28, 2013 It was put in place to give some people other than BlueLineFish from getting all the handguns. Honestly never quite understood it myself. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EX Carnival man 223 Posted March 29, 2013 This is why I don't buy that NICS is so busy. Busy would have been a few years ago when you could have bought more than one gun at a time. IMO this is nothing but a deliberate government slowdown on gun purchases Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AlDente67 563 Posted March 29, 2013 Look on the bright side, it forces you to space out your expenditures over time instead of driving home with $3000 in new pistols at once. Wife doesn't notice the Visa bill as much when spaced apart. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlueLineFish 615 Posted March 29, 2013 Look on the bright side, it forces you to space out your expenditures over time instead of driving home with $3000 in new pistols at once. Wife doesn't notice the Visa bill as much when spaced apart. thats why they make the exemption form Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites